The Obama Boom.

[dude1394]

[Darth Ape]

Jimmy Carter Part Deux

It's just a matter of time before our embassies get overrun and Omoron starts handing out prizes.

[92bDad]

Reality can sure suck sometimes.

Funny, I keep seeing these T-Shirts that say "Yes We Did It"...in honor of Obama being the first black president...

I'm waiting to see some new T-Shirts that say "Yes we didt it, but we could've done better" With some pictures of JC Watts, or Lynn Swann or others with better judgement!!!

Or perhaps T-Shirst that say "Don't blame me...I didn't vote for him"

By the way, I've read in a recent issue of "Human Events" that the Stimulus Bill will abolish the success that was gained under welfare reform. Basically he is going to reincentivise "welfare programs" giving more money based on how many are on welfare.

Plus he is looking at putting the U.S. under an International Court...basically circumventing the U.S. Constitution and U.S. Law to force the USA to fall under someone else's authority, thus losing our soveirenty as a nation.

I can only hope that conservatives wake up and band together to elect better officials in the 2010 and 2012 elections!!!

[Thespiralgoeson]

So would the stock market be in better shape if McCain had won the election? Sorry, I don't see that at all. I'm not Obama's biggest fan by any means, but none of this shit is his fault.

[AxdemxO]

I dont see your point in making all these thread dude. You obviously are set on you political views and its really annoying seeing you make a thread on here every day.

Are we really going to blame Obama for these problems. Anyone with any sense knows people were too naive. Things got messed up soo bad that you could have had you republican or w/e you are or another democrat or w/e and still no change would have come. The only change here is that we have a new president and for the first time a black president. Expecting any more change this early is stupid and naive on your part and anyone else's. In fact expecting major change in the first 4 years can be naive. BUT dont sit here and act like someone would have been able to do it, because no one could have whether they were rep/dem or black/white.

[Arne]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

I dont see your point in making all these thread dude. You obviously are set on you political views and its really annoying seeing you make a thread on here every day.

Are we really going to blame Obama for these problems. Anyone with any sense knows people were too naive. Things got messed up soo bad that you could have had you republican or w/e you are or another democrat or w/e and still no change would have come. The only change here is that we have a new president and for the first time a black president. Expecting any more change this early is stupid and naive on your part and anyone else's. In fact expecting major change in the first 4 years can be naive. BUT dont sit here and act like someone would have been able to do it, because no one could have whether they were rep/dem or black/white.

A president can veto. First priority: DO NO HARM! Ofcourse McCain wouldn't do that but there is always a chance for that to happen.

[Mavdog]

it's a bit too early to be accurate in any critique of how well obama has done. this is what? 5 weeks into his term?

of course that will not stop or delay those who have stood ready since november with shovels in hand to throw dirt onto his administration.

now we have accusations that obama is working to cede our sovereignty to some "one world" organization, and that he is working to recreate the "welfare state".

what, the stories about him being a secretly practicing muslim, or not being a true natural born american aren't sufficient bs, new crap has to be conjured up?

frankly I'm not very surprised to tell you the truth. wonder what will be tossed out next....

[Arne]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

it's a bit too early to be accurate in any critique of how well obama has done. this is what? 5 weeks into his term?

of course that will not stop or delay those who have stood ready since november with shovels in hand to throw dirt onto his administration.

now we have accusations that obama is working to cede our sovereignty to some "one world" organization, and that he is working to recreate the "welfare state".

what, the stories about him being a secretly practicing muslim, or not being a true natural born american aren't sufficient bs, new crap has to be conjured up?

frankly I'm not very surprised to tell you the truth. wonder what will be tossed out next....

Yeah all just partisan hacks who want to destroy his legacy...

[AxdemxO]

For those who are supporting dude on this issue. Its not even about what you think about Obama, I could careless about him or any politician. Its just How can you guys be stupid and naive enough to think that someone else would be doing better and to make that argument.

I have yet to see one argument from you people that goes something like this "yee Obama sucks and we hate him, BUT to be honest someone else wouldn't be doing any better"

And that's the problem, you guys cant be mann enough to be honest with yourself and to look at things realistically and objectively without you biases...

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Arne

Yeah all just partisan hacks who want to destroy his legacy...

ah yes, the "legacy" of 2 fortnights.....if they stretch and look hard enough perhaps there's enough to fill one index card.

[Arne]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

ah yes, the "legacy" of 2 fortnights.....if they stretch and look hard enough perhaps there's enough to fill one index card.

Let's see, almost 800 bn stimulus, a bailout for homeowners, 17000 more soldiers into Afghanisthan...

[Arne]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

For those who are supporting dude on this issue. Its not even about what you think about Obama, I could careless about him or any politician. Its just How can you guys be stupid and naive enough to think that someone else would be doing better and to make that argument.

I have yet to see one argument from you people that goes something like this "yee Obama sucks and we hate him, BUT to be honest someone else wouldn't be doing any better"

And that's the problem, you guys cant be mann enough to be honest with yourself and to look at things realistically and objectively without you biases...

I've already said for a hundred thousand times that I wouldn't have expected something different from McCain or Bush. There are however fiscally responsible people on this planete and some really belive in freedom...

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by Arne

Let's see, almost 800 bn stimulus, a bailout for homeowners, 17000 more soldiers into Afghanisthan...

it seems that you believe you are capable of determining the specific results on these actions.....which you absolutely cannot do.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Darth Ape

Jimmy Carter Part Deux

It's just a matter of time before our embassies get overrun and Omoron starts handing out prizes.

Here's the first prize..

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States plans to offer more than $900 million to help rebuild Gaza after Israel's invasion and to strengthen the Western-backed Palestinian Authority, U.S. officials said on Monday.

The money, which needs U.S. congressional approval, will be distributed through U.N. and other bodies and not via the militant group Hamas, which rules Gaza, said one official.

[dude1394]

He's done nothing that his liberal politics said he wouldn't do, nothing. This isn't about giving him a chance...this is watching him do exactly what his history said he would.

Give 1 trillion bucks not for a stimulus per the wapo:

The case for a huge stimulus -- which I support -- is to prevent a devastating downward economic spiral. ... If the economic outlook is as bleak as Obama says, there's no reason to dilute the upfront power of the stimulus. But that's what he's done.

His politics compromise the program's economics. Look at the numbers. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that about $200 billion will be spent in 2011 or later -- after it would do the most good.

but to expand and push forward his political agenda...no matter the cost. There is no wonder that everything he's thrown out there has had no effect on the markets... You can say he's not to blame but he's sure got 1trillion dollars to work with and it's done nothing(and will do nothing) ...because he played politics with it.

And it will be useless guvment beuracracy spending it. Like this...it'll get a lot of politicians work..but few americans.

Processing the rush of money is complicated by requirements unique to the stimulus act. The Department of Housing and Urban Development is getting $1.5 billion for "homelessness prevention," a task in which it has never explicitly engaged.

The National Endowment for the Arts is receiving $50 million in stimulus money but must use a criterion it does not prioritize in giving out its $122 million in annual funding: whether a particular grant is likely to preserve jobs. That means assessing the financial health of arts organizations to determine which might really cut back without a grant.

[aquaadverse]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

For those who are supporting dude on this issue. Its not even about what you think about Obama, I could careless about him or any politician. Its just How can you guys be stupid and naive enough to think that someone else would be doing better and to make that argument.

I have yet to see one argument from you people that goes something like this "yee Obama sucks and we hate him, BUT to be honest someone else wouldn't be doing any better"

And that's the problem, you guys cant be mann enough to be honest with yourself and to look at things realistically and objectively without you biases...

I don't think McCain would be have every other word out of his mouth as either catastrophe, or crisis. Or been tossing around Great Depression every chance he gets. Obama was the one that ran on the message of how he was different. He was the one claiming to be the wind of change to drive the clouds of new giving the rain of reform to quench the fires of politics as usual. Using that standard, even if you believe his actions and results are in line with others he wiffs. For someone who was steadily stressing how dangerous crafting policy and law by using fear to drive the process his message is a curious one. He ran on the promise of no lobbyists, unprecedented integrity from high level cabinet members and open the process to a level of transparency never seen before. Either he was lying or naive and neither gives much comfort.


There was no reason for many of those programs, that indeed have merit and should be addressed, to be rammed through on a stimulus bill.

It's hard to argue vetting the largest single outlay of deficit spending in the history of the world in a single piece of legislation for another week. I would have appreciated the possibility to look at the bill on the White House website 5 days prior to his signing it. I can't think of any single bill that had more public interest or long lasting effect. Once the brakes are released you can't simply revoke it like tax cuts.

His inexperience got him played badly by Congress. His Treasury Secretary was rightfully spanked for his ridiculous lack of detail after such a buzz was initiated about his public debut of the fiscal antidote for the greatest crisis since the Great Depression. I kind of wondered just what Obama was worried about when he used not wanting to steal the thunder from Geithner to duck giving details in an answer at his press conference.

It's a bit ironic that you hit on the same tactic that had me hollering at the screen during the Presidential Debates. As a lad I had a middle school class in public speaking and debating. I remembered the teacher spent a fair amount of time getting us to recognize what he called the logical impossibility of proving a negative. Obama used this tactic to great effect in gaining the White House. "Failed Policies of the last eight years" implied that President Gore would have missed out on 9-11, raised qualifications on mortgages while Jessie and Rev. Al beamed in the background and willingly tossed a hand grenade in the economy by forcing uneconomical Green Tech with legislation.

If anything, no energy policy and a lack of attention to health care kinda knocks the shine off the Clinton "We have a surplus" halo. McCain could have used you to coach him to point out if Obama was any kind of man he'd admit it wouldn't be any different with a Gore presidency.

I agree it's too early to make any kind of call on the Obama Presidency. It is not too early to criticize his actions. Clinton had his hands a bit tied by Reagan's deficit. He would have loved to expand spending. Lucky for us the man actually had more experience than teaching law at The University of Arkansas.

Hammering the "crisis oh woe is us" button nonstop is a campaign not a leadership move. Real nice to go to the Dem Caucus retreat, preach to the choir and get your standing O. Or to go to Ft. Myers and Elkhart. He already has those folks.

Stupid and naive is thinking McCain would be cramming huge defict bills through Congress and having a fuzzy plan short on any details tying how these plans address the crisis. Real nice to make Federal buildings energy efficient and replace the Federal fleet with hybrids. It was pretty stunning to me he didn't even make a token stab to do much past workfare. Anyone who has a clue of how this giveaway is going to be administered and the oversight structured so $400 billion or so isn't scooped out of the trough before it gets to the pigs like TARP funds raise your hand. Bueler....anyone...Bueler.................

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by AxdemxO

For those who are supporting dude on this issue. Its not even about what you think about Obama, I could careless about him or any politician. Its just How can you guys be stupid and naive enough to think that someone else would be doing better and to make that argument.

I have yet to see one argument from you people that goes something like this "yee Obama sucks and we hate him, BUT to be honest someone else wouldn't be doing any better"

And that's the problem, you guys cant be mann enough to be honest with yourself and to look at things realistically and objectively without you biases...

So if I don't agree with you, I'm not being honest?? Sorry...

I see no history that says that McCain would be sending 1 trillion dollars to democratic political constituencies...none. Anything that McCain or republicans would do here would be heavily, heavily front-loaded and targeted at tax policy...which could get into the economies hands immediately.

You could take 1trillion bucks, take it right off the social security taxes and do worlds more good than this boondoggle. Or take the trillion bucks and buy up mortgage loans or set up refinancing for all...again would do much greater. I'm not sure that McCain would send money to states that will save guvment jobs but do nothing for private-sector jobs either...that's pretty abhorent to me to be honest...as guvment creates no wealth whatsover..but the number of guvment jobs has just passed manufacturing ones and growing.

The stock market falling isn't just some sort of game with no impact...it's real value and savings being washed away like it's no big deal. It IS a big deal...losing 40-50-60% on your savings and the value of your company is a big deal.

The next shoe to drop will be under-funded pension plans, especially state guvment ones.. You wanna bet theOne will bail those out..but private sector pensions will be told to suck it.

TheOne has been a disaster...not unpredicted based on his utter lack of experience..but a disaster.. And I see nothing in his plans( if you can call them that) to alleviate it...except bashing on dissentors and campaigning..he's good at that.

[Underdog]

What the hell is "guvment"???

Is the word "government" too difficult?



Oh, and the last 8 years is more than enough history to prove that Republicans don't know how to spend tax dollars either - many would argue that the war in Iraq was waged just so Bush could hook up his buddies in the arms/oil/infrastructure industries (they all saw record-breaking profits under his reign so it's hard to argue the facts...) You're naive to think that McCain could stem the tide of 8 years of failure any better than TheOne could...

Hell, so far I don't see any difference between Obama and Bush anyway - same sh!t, different color...

Apparently the government has an agenda and our interests don't factor into it...

[Arne]

Originally Posted by Mavdog

it seems that you believe you are capable of determining the specific results on these actions.....which you absolutely cannot do.

Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it...

[DirkFTW]

Originally Posted by dude1394

So if I don't agree with you, I'm not being honest?? Sorry...

I see no history that says that McCain would be sending 1 trillion dollars to democratic political constituencies...none. Anything that McCain or republicans would do here would be heavily, heavily front-loaded and targeted at tax policy...which could get into the economies hands immediately.

You forgot to point out that there were at least two counter proposals that spent far less money overall, but more money this year... to stimulate this year. It's not a hypothetical that alternatives could have been meaningfully considered. I think one was even from a Democrat, so this isn't even a party-specific thing. It's an idiot/non-idiot thing.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Hell, so far I don't see any difference between Obama and Bush anyway - same sh!t, different color...

Apparently the government has an agenda and our interests don't factor into it...

Bingo ... we have a winner.


Want to be raped by a green 4' rod or a blue 6' rod? Either way your getting raped, it's gonna hurt bad, and you have no control over it. Welcome to life here and now.

Some will smile because they got the blue one they wanted. Some will B!@#$ because they wanted the green one. All in the end are hurting or dead.

[92bDad]

In all fairness, had McCain won the election, I am certain that those who supported Obama would be patient and that they would have given McCain and the Republicans all the grace in the world as a show of support.

I am certain that democrats would not have undermined anything that McCain would have done, they certainly didn't undermine President Bush...

The reality is that there is a Clear divide in this nation and it runs down a strong political ideological difference. Obama or Hillary or any other Democrat in the White House would be getting hammered by Republicans and Conservatives...just as Bush, McCain, Palin or any Republican gets hammered by the left...heck you could have JC Watts in the White House and no doubt he would be referred to as an Uncle Tom and then heavily criticized by the left.

This is a power struggle that neither side is willing to compromise.

There is no room for a Leader who compromises...after all, Bush is criticized by Republicans for compromising too much, and then by Democrats for not compromising enough...he ultimately has been equally hated by both parties.

The one thing he didn't comprimise on was National Security and for that I was a huge supporter of President Bush.

My personal feelings about Obama will ultimately be based on what he does on National Security...over 5 weeks, I have not seen much of any reports which cause me to lean one way or another...so much has been made about the stimulus package.

Thus, my opinion is based on what is actually reported...and the package flat out sucks.

It's as bad as a spoiled rich kid, being in debt and his/her parents simply throwing money at the problem and paying off the kids debt...what lesson does that kid learn and how does it effect society as a whole.

If a bailout is a bad idea from a parent to a child, what the heck makes anyone think its a good idea from the Government to its Corporations?

Freedoms are being lost as a natural consequence to bad financial decisions...moving us to a welfare state will only further destroy our freedoms.

[mcsluggo]

hmmmmmm, another "economics huckster" thread.

yup, truly disappointing results, especially when compared to the astronomical growth we have benefited from in the eight years of the previous administration.


would you care to place a bet on whether the dow's future (2009-2016) underperforms its past (2001-2008)?

[mcsluggo]

and why didn't you just post in the good ole Ka-Boom thread....?

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showth...oom#post904850

Oh yeah.... never mind, I see why you wouldn't want to do that.

[Arne]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

and why didn't you just post in the good ole Ka-Boom thread....?

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showth...oom#post904850

Oh yeah.... never mind, I see why you wouldn't want to do that.

Haha, good one, I had thought of bringing that one up, but then forgot about it..

[Arne]

How can somebody as stupid as this guy get into congress?

"the greater the national debt the greater the wealth of the nation"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbPZ...dailypaul.com/

[92bDad]

Originally Posted by Arne

How can somebody as stupid as this guy get into congress?

"the greater the national debt the greater the wealth of the nation"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbPZ...dailypaul.com/

That was a great link!!!

I checked out a few more of Jan's interviews...some good stuff.

I'm sure he or others have these types of interviews where they trip the interviewee up...regardless of ideological background.

This is a great example of how the media works and how they can spin a story, an interview, soundbites or anything else to say what they want them to say.

There is no doubt in my mind that CNN, FOXNews, MSNBC, and all other news outlets have there own agenda with what they are presenting to the people.

Imagine for a moment, if all the networks spent 8 years showing us Jan type interviews that made 'D' look like bafoons...while showing little of the bad interviews for any other party...I am willing to bet that the 'D' candidates around the nation would get voted out Unanomously...

The same can be said if an overwhelming majority of the media decided to portray "R" in a negative light, while being softball to the "D" party.

This link you gave is like looking at the media through a microscope and showing just how much power they have.

At the end of the day, I doubt seriously that any of us on this board are truly informed when it comes to our government, the officials we elect, the policies that effect each and everyone of us.


I would love to see an election where we NEVER SEE or HEAR The candidate, but rather...we can read about how the candidates voted on bills and the reasons they voted the way they did.

I don't want to kno if they are D or R or something else. I don't want to know their name. I don't want to see them or hear them...I just want to know the facts about how they vote, and the reason they voted the way they did...or if they didn't vote the reason they chose not to vote.

I don't want to know if they are Christian or not, I don't want to know if they are Man or Woman...Gay or Straight...nor do I want to know what their cultural heritage is or was.

I simply want to know who the political decisions they have made in their various positions that they have worked in.

This woudl eliminate Rhetoric, this would eliminate race, gender, faith...basically it would bring it down to the individual and how they vote on the job.

I would think that a voting record would be THE most important qualification of politicians, yet it appears to be the least reviewed item.

Today is more about rhetoric and social affiliation than it is about the job itself.

I'm willing to bet that many of us on this board who passionately disagree with what we see, would actually vote for the same candidate if we only knew them as a number and how they voted.

[dude1394]

This may belong in the hope and change thread..but this one's going to be going for much longer I fear.

The Conference Board said its consumer confidence index, which stood at about 37 last month, plummeted to 25 in February, easily the worst ever. The index has been published since 1967 and just a year ago stood at 76.

Even in an abysmal economy, the dive in confidence was stunning. Economists say people's increasing worries about job cuts and their dwindling net worth could lead to even further cutbacks in spending.

"This reflects the catastrophic collapse of confidence in the economy - in the stock market, in the banking system and to some extent with the elected officials," said Bernard Baumohl, chief global economist at the Economic Outlook Group.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Underdog

What the hell is "guvment"???

Guvment.

Troubled US mortgage finance giant Fannie Mae said Thursday it lost almost 60 billion dollars last year and expected to suffer more losses in 2009, and asked for a further 15.2 billion dollars in government aid.

The US government-controlled Fannie Mae reported a loss of 25.2 billion dollars in the fourth quarter driven mainly by the effects of a prolonged housing slump and a global financial crisis. It had a third-quarter loss of 29.0 billion dollars.

For the full year of 2008, the company posted a loss of 58.7 billion dollars, almost 27 times higher than the 2007 loss of 2.1 billion dollars.

Fannie Mae said it submitted a request Wednesday for 15.2 billion dollars from the Treasury "in order to eliminate our net worth deficit as of December 31, 2008."

"We expect the market conditions that contributed to our net loss for each quarter of 2008 to continue and possibly worsen in 2009, which is likely to cause further reductions in our net worth," the company said in a statement.

The fourth-quarter loss was driven mainly by 12.3 billion dollars in credit losses due to declining housing market conditions, 12.3 billion dollars in losses on derivatives and 4.6 billion dollars in writedowns of the value of its mortgage-backed securities, the statement said.

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by Arne

How can somebody as stupid as this guy get into congress?

"the greater the national debt the greater the wealth of the nation"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbPZ...dailypaul.com/

wow.

[dude1394]

The Obama Boom....A Tax Boom and a Deficit Boom...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...-budget-a.html

Obama's Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011

February 26, 2009 12:00 PM

President Obama's budget proposes $989 billion in new taxes over the course of the next 10 years, starting fiscal year 2011, most of which are tax increases on individuals.

1) On people making more than $250,000.

$338 billion - Bush tax cuts expire
$179 billlion - eliminate itemized deduction
$118 billion - capital gains tax hike

Total: $636 billion/10 years

2) Businesses:

$17 billion - Reinstate Superfund taxes
$24 billion - tax carried-interest as income
$5 billion - codify "economic substance doctrine"
$61 billion - repeal LIFO
$210 billion - international enforcement, reform deferral, other tax reform
$4 billion - information reporting for rental payments
$5.3 billion - excise tax on Gulf of Mexico oil and gas
$3.4 billion - repeal expensing of tangible drilling costs
$62 million - repeal deduction for tertiary injectants
$49 million - repeal passive loss exception for working interests in oil and natural gas properties
$13 billion - repeal manufacturing tax deduction for oil and natural gas companies
$1 billion - increase to 7 years geological and geophysical amortization period for independent producers
$882 million - eliminate advanced earned income tax credit

Total: $353 billion/10 years

[Flacolaco]

Why does he hate Americans so much?

It's very hurtful.

[Mavdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

The Obama Boom....A Tax Boom and a Deficit Boom...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...-budget-a.html

looking at this list, the word "repeal" appears over and over.

the plan takes away many special interest tax concessions, as well as restoring the prior tax rates on those married households with incomes greater than $250,000. a more fair tax structure imo.

the list doesn't mention the tax relief being given to middle income households either.....or the tax relief to businesses who invest in our country.

[dude1394]

A truly astounding "achievement". A comment on theOne's budget.

In 32 days, Barack Obama has contributed to the debt nearly half of what the George Bush did in 8 years. The debt went up $4.3 trillion under Bush in 8 years. Obama has contributed nearly $2 trillion in 32 days. And if you add in Obama's health care government takeover, a $650 billion down payment over ten years as he calls it, that would contribute another $65 billion (on average) to the deficit this year.

Bush was poor at holding the line on spending. Obama is thousand times worse. Just who is going to pay for all this? And it's not the upper 2% of the income earners. Obama could take all the upper 2%'s income and their assets, and it wouldn't even put a dent in the deficit.

[dude1394]

Taxes...deficits...and energy prices...oh my..

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/carbon-rules-boost-gasoline-electricity/story.aspx?guid={6ADB4BD2-CCAC-4E44-9404-72A7452DD600}&dist=morenews

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Carbon dioxide emissions will draw a price of about $13.70 a ton based on President Barack Obama's proposed federal carbon cap included in his budget proposal, Point Carbon Managing Director Veronique Bugnion said Friday. A carbon price of $13 per ton would produce an increase in the cost of gasoline of 12 cents per gallon, a 6% increase over current retail gasoline prices. A 6.8% increase for average retail electricity rates is also projected, though Bugnion added that more coal heavy regions might see higher increases. Some of the increase might be offset by new renewable energy construction under renewable electricity standard proposals in the House and Senate, Point Carbon noted. End of Story

[dude1394]

TheOne help wanted sign.

[92bDad]

The worst part is that we can't do a darn thing about it.

You wonder why I was against Obama and the Democrats...here's a clue, it had NOTHING to do with race!!! This guy and that party are freakin idiots!!!

They are going to cause America to go Bankrupt and my apologies, but it pisses me off!!!

The impact on not only me, but my kids and future generations is truly staggering.

If there was ever a time to get a few states to bail out of the union, now is the time!!!

[dude1394]

I expect the us will be forced to default and as some here have mentioned just (even more) turn on the printing presses.

Paying off their 5 trillion dollar debt with money that has been hyper-inflated and wiping out the savings of most of their citizens.

[DirkFTW]

Did we build a time machine and no one told me? Party like it's May of 1997!

[92bDad]

Stocks just keep going down...

They say that when it comes to faith, you can tell where a persons heart is by looking at their checkbook...

With that in mind, it sure looks like nobody trusts the direction that our government is taking the private sector...