10-17-2012, 03:32 PM
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Great observation regarding the delusion of the Right Wing in America
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Anyway, I’d like to throw in my two cents on Romney’s most easily demonstrated blunder, his claim that Obama waited two weeks before calling the Benghazi attack an act of terror. Maybe you have to remember the Bush administration to realize just how NOT accidental this blunder was; in at least two ways it went to the heart of the modern right-wing identity.
First, there’s the notion that posturing and talking tough is what it’s all about. Bush, you may recall, was hailed as a fighter against terrorism because he, well, gave tough-talking speeches. I mean, he stood on a mound of rubble and pledged to get Osama dead or alive. Somehow, for his devotees, this made him a hero even though he never got Osama either way, and in fact showed remarkably little interest in pursuing the people actually responsible for 9/11.
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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...DA58309FCDC868
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10-18-2012, 06:31 PM
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Rachel Maddow makes the same observation:
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Mitt Romney, repeating a story told about this subject on the Right, in a way that is very satisfying to conservatives. The way this story is told on the Right is a story that tells conservatives exactly what they want to hear and what they want to believe about that bad bad President Obama, a comforting story about how this bad president never used that word "terror" in talking about these attacks until TWO WEEKS after they happened. This awful guy! I mean, that story must feel great if you are a conservative, if you're against this president.
If you only experience reality as mediated through the conservative media, you might think that is really what happened.
That is not what happened.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#49456831
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10-18-2012, 06:40 PM
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Yeah, I don't the whole pseudo-outrage that it took "TWO WEEKS" to give it a name. Who cares? Doesn't change what happened one bit.
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10-18-2012, 06:54 PM
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I think you got that wrong.
- Foreign powers are invading them Libyans Country and the citizens disagree. So, they resist and they are right here.
- And the Ambassador called for help 2 or 3 weeks prior to the attack. That is to blame on the state dept. for sure. The Obama Administration failed big time.
If i had to take responsibility for the death of high ranked employees and subalternates due to the malfunction of an office, i´m lastly accountable for, i´d shot myself.
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10-18-2012, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GermanDunk
I think you got that wrong.
- Foreign powers are invading them Libyans Country and the citizens disagree. So, they resist and they are right here.
- And the Ambassador called for help 2 or 3 weeks prior to the attack. That is to blame on the state dept. for sure. The Obama Administration failed big time.
If i had to take responsibility for the death of high ranked employees and subalternates due to the malfunction of an office, i´m lastly accountable for, i´d shot myself.
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At least 7 embassies were attacked during the Bush administration with far more casualties. Did you criticize Bush for even one of those attacks?
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10-19-2012, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SeanL
At least 7 embassies were attacked during the Bush administration with far more casualties. Did you criticize Bush for even one of those attacks?
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Well such and such did it toooooo..... and they were worse than me.
LOL- Typical
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10-19-2012, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dalmations202
Well such and such did it toooooo..... and they were worse than me.
LOL- Typical
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Actually you misstated my position. I don't think Bush deserves blame for the embassy attacks, nor do I think Obama deserves blame. It is very hard - almost impossible - to keep dozens of U.S. embassies in the Arab world safe from terrorist attacks. As crazy as that may sound to you, it is true.
Unlike you I'm consistent in that I'm not criticizing either President. But after one embassy attack you have conservatives coming out of the wood work lambasting Obama, while at the same time they were silent when the problem was much worse under Bush. They are hypocrites and craven political opportunists.
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10-19-2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SeanL
Actually you misstated my position. I don't think Bush deserves blame for the embassy attacks, nor do I think Obama deserves blame. It is very hard - almost impossible - to keep dozens of U.S. embassies in the Arab world safe from terrorist attacks. As crazy as that may sound to you, it is true.
Unlike you I'm consistent in that I'm not criticizing either President. But after one embassy attack you have conservatives coming out of the wood work lambasting Obama, while at the same time they were silent when the problem was much worse under Bush. They are hypocrites and craven political opportunists.
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I wasn't mis-stating anything. I quoted from above. I actually wasn't getting onto you persa -- I just had a child who did the same thing to me. Such and such did it, and they were worse than me.
I just stated that this is typical in America today -- don't address the issue, but place blame somewhere else and claim it is worse that what "ZZZ" did.
I think all of the presidents since before my time ...... have not been there for the best of the people but out for the best for themselves. And I know that they don't speak for or represent me well.
--- And just as a question- are you in the security business, or how do you know it is almost impossible to defend an embassy? I am curious how much military and tactical training and combat you have seen. PS: I think you are absolutely correct here -- but am curious why I should listen to what you have to say about it.
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10-18-2012, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GermanDunk
I think you got that wrong.
- Foreign powers are invading them Libyans Country and the citizens disagree. So, they resist and they are right here.
- And the Ambassador called for help 2 or 3 weeks prior to the attack. That is to blame on the state dept. for sure. The Obama Administration failed big time.
If i had to take responsibility for the death of high ranked employees and subalternates due to the malfunction of an office, i´m lastly accountable for, i´d shot myself.
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I wouldn't call it a "malfunction of an office." We could have put a battalion there if we had wanted to. But of course, we can't do that everywhere.
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11-27-2012, 11:58 AM
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Agreed, many conservatives went at this with blinders...saddly.
What we have is a dependant state that has been mis-guided by those in power. They have pushed the evils of freedom and extole the greatness of government dependancy.
What we have now is something eerily familiar...The last time I watched Pink Floyd's "The Wall" ... Obama and the leftist majority of the democrats have become the power...this nation has turned into the sheep who blindly follow, not realizing that they are being lead to slaughter.
Back during the industrial revolution, there was a serious need for Unions and those to fight against the power of the "Empire Elite" Conditions in America were extremely poor...but those times have changed.
Now the power has been taken by those who fight, but they enjoy that power and they want to keep it but continously keeping the people below them in need of their "Gift"
This dependancy state is keeping people from tapping into their own greatness by being content with the measly handouts from the government. The problem with this concept is that eventually those handouts will dry up and by then, those that built and continue to produce will have moved on, tired of the fight.
The glory days of America are behind her, saddly the fall is at the hands of greed, but not the greed of enterprising business builders...rather the greed for power from those who exploit the needs of the impoverished. The greed of the Leftist Elite is destroying this once great nation.
Sad to see our freedoms being eroded away and willingly by so many. Those who celebrate with the Left, enjoy it while you can...your own leaders will be the ones destroying your dreams...unfortunately, they will have already destroyed the very ones who have the solutions to keep us a prosperous nation.
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11-28-2012, 07:06 PM
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Blinders? You had a choice Corndog Back That Thang Up Bachman, Mute Hominey, Newt Washed Up Sandwich and looks like to me the GOP picked Mute.
Misguided? Watch more fixed news and Carl Rover & guide what you want. Vote if you want to be guided. If you lose, come back in 4 with McSame, Baracuda or whomever you like and guide with that.
Let's not knock Pink Floyd. The nation spoke and Mute was not in the plans. Do you think the gop can guide? Mute & most of the gop are robots asking what can i say or do today and they get information from Fixed News. The gop can't speak because they will get kicked to the curb like Luger if they speak with an open mind. Gop equals robot.
Handouts? That is just more robot talk. Now spill us a line on gay's, latino's, women, and taxes. Oh i almost forgot, is the Dems going to take our fishing poles away? Now chime in on guns and fishing poles.
Freedom's? What all freedom's have been taken away from you? Looks like people in CO can now smoke a joint. I don't think Obama started the Patriot Act. Has anyone took your guns and fishing poles from you? All this spew is just more robot talk. Mute listened and said what the robots told him and he lost and now same talk, differ day. Oh and what about Mute saving on his taxes by taking his money elsewhere. How about jobs being sent to China, Mexico, etc? It's not a Dem thang, it's who can save a buck by hiding money or sending jobs elsewhere to save a dollar or hide them dollar bills where they don't pay as much tax as they should. It's more a mute & robot thang than a dem thang. It's time to go back to Larry Craig & Ted Haggard and show more passionate conservitism.
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Originally Posted by 92bDad
Agreed, many conservatives went at this with blinders...saddly.
What we have is a dependant state that has been mis-guided by those in power. They have pushed the evils of freedom and extole the greatness of government dependancy.
What we have now is something eerily familiar...The last time I watched Pink Floyd's "The Wall" ... Obama and the leftist majority of the democrats have become the power...this nation has turned into the sheep who blindly follow, not realizing that they are being lead to slaughter.
Back during the industrial revolution, there was a serious need for Unions and those to fight against the power of the "Empire Elite" Conditions in America were extremely poor...but those times have changed.
Now the power has been taken by those who fight, but they enjoy that power and they want to keep it but continously keeping the people below them in need of their "Gift"
This dependancy state is keeping people from tapping into their own greatness by being content with the measly handouts from the government. The problem with this concept is that eventually those handouts will dry up and by then, those that built and continue to produce will have moved on, tired of the fight.
The glory days of America are behind her, saddly the fall is at the hands of greed, but not the greed of enterprising business builders...rather the greed for power from those who exploit the needs of the impoverished. The greed of the Leftist Elite is destroying this once great nation.
Sad to see our freedoms being eroded away and willingly by so many. Those who celebrate with the Left, enjoy it while you can...your own leaders will be the ones destroying your dreams...unfortunately, they will have already destroyed the very ones who have the solutions to keep us a prosperous nation.
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