Bush opponents and Obama supporters...will they sing the same song? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

92bDad · 09-22-2009, 02:53 PM

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/...f-Patriot-Act/

Underdog · 09-22-2009, 03:45 PM

Same sh!t, different color...

92bDad · 09-22-2009, 03:54 PM

C'mon...although amusing...not sure the PC crowd can handle that type of language.

Speaking of which, can the term TeaBagger be considered racist or at least prejudiced. I wonder if the PC crowd will condemn the use of such language as it refers to those individuals who support and join the "Tea Party" movement.

Then again...is racism only a one way street?

Jack.Kerr · 09-22-2009, 08:04 PM

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Then again...is racism only a one way street?

If it is, how do you always manage to be going the wrong way?

rmacomic · 09-22-2009, 10:34 PM

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C'mon...although amusing...not sure the PC crowd can handle that type of language.

Speaking of which, can the term TeaBagger be considered racist or at least prejudiced. I wonder if the PC crowd will condemn the use of such language as it refers to those individuals who support and join the "Tea Party" movement.

Then again...is racism only a one way street?

I don't consider TeaBagger a racist term, something else comes to mind.

Are you a Tea Bagger?

Robillion · 09-24-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

C'mon...although amusing...not sure the PC crowd can handle that type of language.

Speaking of which, can the term TeaBagger be considered racist or at least prejudiced. I wonder if the PC crowd will condemn the use of such language as it refers to those individuals who support and join the "Tea Party" movement.

Then again...is racism only a one way street?

Prejudice against... people that are bad at the game Halo?

dude1394 · 09-23-2009, 08:14 AM

Not a racist term, just a typically crude and rude one.

Jack.Kerr · 09-23-2009, 12:46 PM

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Not a racist term, just a typically crude and rude one.

The first times I ever saw the term used in the context of political protest (and unintentional comedy), it was used proudly by participants of the protests who didn't realize that they were labeling themselves, quite literally, as what they themselves would derisively call "sodomites". A form of ironic self-abuse, perhaps?

dude1394 · 09-23-2009, 01:14 PM

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The first times I ever saw the term used in the context of political protest (and unintentional comedy), it was used proudly by participants of the protests who didn't realize that they were labeling themselves, quite literally, as what they themselves would derisively call "sodomites". A form of ironic self-abuse, perhaps?

But still they were labeled in a crude, rude and very offensive manner by the elite of the liberal political side, as is very typical of that group.

I would avow that it says much more positively about people not knowing what the term meant than it does about the people who are doing the labeling.

Jack.Kerr · 09-23-2009, 02:39 PM

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But still they were labeled in a crude, rude and very offensive manner by the elite of the liberal political side, as is very typical of that group.

I would avow that it says much more positively about people not knowing what the term meant than it does about the people who are doing the labeling.

Dude....they labeled themselves. Literally. Not only that, they revealed themselves to be both ignorant and oblivious. And as a consequence they labeled themselves the opposite of what most of them would want to be identified with or as.

That pretty much sums up a very broad swath of the TeaBagger (or whatever you want to call it) political protest movement--proudly, furiously, aggressively, defiantly, contradictorily, obliviously ignorant.

And to the rest of us, comedic.

dude1394 · 09-23-2009, 07:03 PM

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Dude....they labeled themselves. Literally. Not only that, they revealed themselves to be both ignorant and oblivious. And as a consequence they labeled themselves the opposite of what most of them would want to be identified with or as.

That pretty much sums up a very broad swath of the TeaBagger (or whatever you want to call it) political protest movement--proudly, furiously, aggressively, defiantly, contradictorily, obliviously ignorant.

And to the rest of us, comedic.

Jack...I would bet that MOST do NOT know what a teabagger is, that is until the left labeled them as such.

dude1394 · 09-23-2009, 07:07 PM

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Dude....they labeled themselves. Literally. Not only that, they revealed themselves to be both ignorant and oblivious. And as a consequence they labeled themselves the opposite of what most of them would want to be identified with or as.

That pretty much sums up a very broad swath of the TeaBagger (or whatever you want to call it) political protest movement--proudly, furiously, aggressively, defiantly, contradictorily, obliviously ignorant.

And to the rest of us, comedic.

I would describe it as "the rest of us", intolerant and bigoted quite frankly. Since when did it become "cool" to make fun of people who are not "with it". Last time I recall that it was in grade school, somehow the left now thinks it is political discourse.

Much like the recent WalMart photos giving people a yuck, yuck at the expense of others. Childish, rude, insensitive and in most cases bigoted and elitist.

92bDad · 09-23-2009, 08:19 AM

Let's just say that "TeaBagger" is about as racist as "Monkey"

If it's used to put someone down who happens to be different, then it's racist...if it's used in it's orginal context, then it means something entirely different.

But hey, at least now the left can support the Patriot Act :-)

Mavdog · 09-23-2009, 10:29 AM

I was unaware that a "tea bagger" has been identified as a race of people.

Underdog · 09-23-2009, 10:33 AM

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I was unaware that a "tea bagger" has been identified as a race of people.

Yep - the entire race was spawned by tea bagging 69bMom...

92bDad · 09-23-2009, 11:33 AM

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I was unaware that a "tea bagger" has been identified as a race of people.

Thus now you see the free use of the term "Racism" has lost its meaning.

Perhaps it would be wise for the left scare tactics to stop using the term under a large umbrella.

We have all agreed, we have racist's in this world...and they come in all races.

However, to lump those who disagree with someone a racist is bad form. Perhaps they are prejudiced against the view of some, but not based on "Skin Color"

For example, is it fair to say that President Obama is prejudiced against the views of those who have come together under the "Tea Party"? I don't believe President Obama is racist, simply that he has a different view.

Can we say that those who oppose President Obama are prejudiced against his ideology and views on how our country and government should look at act? I don't believe that we are racist, just simply that we have a different view.

Ultimately, this is coming down to big government versus little government.

What is the purpose of using "Racism" as a way to divide the views?

To label a non-racist a racist out of disagreement with their political view is simply an act of racism. It's making a judgement claim out of ignorance and those calling racism are flat out ignorant.

After all, if President Obama states that those who oppose his views are not racist, then can we not agree to follow his lead as the President?

Mavdog · 09-23-2009, 11:48 AM

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Thus now you see the free use of the term "Racism" has lost its meaning.

nope, the meaning of the word remains the same as it always has been.

you merely misuse it.

dude1394 · 09-23-2009, 01:11 PM

Is not a crude word for a homosexual just as offensive as a racist term? Don't be pedantic. It may not be "racist" but it's easily as offensive.

Mavdog · 09-23-2009, 01:33 PM

[sarcasm]yeah, we all know the "liberal political side" are the ONLY ones who use pejoratives to describe their opposition...the right political side would never dream of doing that![/sarcasm]

dude1394 · 09-23-2009, 07:05 PM

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[sarcasm]yeah, we all know the "liberal political side" are the ONLY ones who use pejoratives to describe their opposition...the right political side would never dream of doing that![/sarcasm]

Never said they were, you did. However I don't believe I can find many cases for the mainstream conservative to use a phrase that means something like.

"1. n. A man that dips his scrotum and testicles into the mouth of another person. (as if dipping a tea bag into hot water)
"

If you can find a case of this happening with the mainstream conservative commentators, please educate me.

Mavdog · 09-23-2009, 10:10 PM

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Never said they were, you did. However I don't believe I can find many cases for the mainstream conservative to use a phrase that means something like.

"1. n. A man that dips his scrotum and testicles into the mouth of another person. (as if dipping a tea bag into hot water)
"

If you can find a case of this happening with the mainstream conservative commentators, please educate me.

you seem to have missed the fact that this phrase was coined by the "mainstream conservative commentator" themselves. the left didn't bring it up until the right had done so already. that's the irony you see...

there are a whole litany of phrases that have ben used by the right, as well as the left, over the years. it is absurd to think that anybody is innocent in this act.

people as a whole have an inclination to attach what they believe are funny derogatory names to the opposition. it's like baseball and apple pie.

dude1394 · 09-23-2009, 11:02 PM

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you seem to have missed the fact that this phrase was coined by the "mainstream conservative commentator" themselves. the left didn't bring it up until the right had done so already. that's the irony you see...

there are a whole litany of phrases that have ben used by the right, as well as the left, over the years. it is absurd to think that anybody is innocent in this act.

people as a whole have an inclination to attach what they believe are funny derogatory names to the opposition. it's like baseball and apple pie.

Really...I'd be interested to see the origin. It appears that not all thought it was coined by mainstream conservatives. Certainly they didn't use it as the slur it is currently being used as.

Alan Colmes for example

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I have often posted my hate mail, but this has been a weekend full of hate Tweets. There were objections to my use of the term “teabaggers” to describe Saturday’s protesters. There is no awareness, it seems, of how they may have brought this upon themselves, choosing a symbol that could easily be conflated with a distasteful sexual term. It also doesn’t seem to occur to them that there are such things as synonyms. Some words have more than one meaning, totally separate and apart from each other. They infer what I don’t imply. Most amusing is the name-calling from those who accuse me of name-calling. And then there are the conservatives for whom I used to be their favorite pet liberal until this one egregious offense, after which I am now pond scum; to which I say your love for me couldn’t have been to solid to begin with.

Mavdog · 09-24-2009, 07:23 AM

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Really...I'd be interested to see the origin. It appears that not all thought it was coined by mainstream conservatives. Certainly they didn't use it as the slur it is currently being used as.

from wiki:
"During the 2009 Tea Party protests against the tax policies of the United States Government,the use of the phrase "tea bag" was used by Fox News Reporter Griff Jenkins and reteaparty.org."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging

I have no reason to dispute the conclusion.

Murphy3 · 09-23-2009, 02:06 PM

I drink my tea decaffeinated.

92bDad · 09-23-2009, 03:12 PM

So some are saying that it's perfectly okay to use derogatory statements towards a group of people as a way to put them down.

dude1394 · 09-23-2009, 07:10 PM

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So some are saying that it's perfectly okay to use derogatory statements towards a group of people as a way to put them down.

If it's the right people, certainly.

dude1394 · 09-24-2009, 12:36 AM

It would paint me as a caring human being, which does not necessarily correlate to liberal in any shape, form or fashion. Liberals think they are, but it's only for their own self-image. I would expect there is much more charity being done by the conservative side than the liberal side. Can't prove it, but wouldn't doubt it.

Liberals sorta want someone else to do it for them it appears to me.

Jack.Kerr · 09-24-2009, 04:43 PM

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It would paint me as a caring human being, which does not necessarily correlate to liberal in any shape, form or fashion. Liberals think they are, but it's only for their own self-image. I would expect there is much more charity being done by the conservative side than the liberal side. Can't prove it, but wouldn't doubt it.

That high horse you think you're on ain't nothin' but a rockin' pony.

dude1394 · 09-24-2009, 06:25 PM

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That high horse you think you're on ain't nothin' but a rockin' pony.

Okay...if you call it a high horse to not think it's o'so'clever to make fun of people who may have issues, fine. I think it's s*****. I sort of teach my children the same thing, other parents obviously do not. It would be nice to be able to make fun of slow people or poor people or fat people and STILL think that I was an enlightened, caring liberal.

Jack.Kerr · 09-24-2009, 08:24 PM

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Okay...if you call it a high horse to not think it's o'so'clever to make fun of people who may have issues, fine. I think it's s*****. I sort of teach my children the same thing, other parents obviously do not. It would be nice to be able to make fun of slow people or poor people or fat people and STILL think that I was an enlightened, caring liberal.

In the words of Ronald Reagan, "There you go again.'

You're trying to say that people shouldn't laugh at you and the other people who call yourselves TeaBaggers because you have 'issues', or that you're slow or poor or fat? No, of course not. Your issues (racism, bigotry, political impotence and increasing social marginalization) don't get you a pass from having the ridiculousness of your arguments pointed out, and have nothing to do with people who hold opposing views pointing out your hilarious self-contradictions.

Further ironic that you accuse anyone of being a bad impression of Jimmuh Carter. The whole TeaBagger name comedy brings to mind the time Jimmuh was giving a speech in Managua after having lost the election to Reagan, and referred to himself as a "lame duck" president in Spanish, foolishly translating the term literally to Spanish as "pato cojo". Unfortunately, and unbeknownst to Jimmuh, the term "pato cojo" was local slang for "homosexual". Clarifications were made later, but not before the surprised audience tittered noticeably.

It seems that the dim bulbs doing the bad Carter impression are the ones calling themselves TeaBaggers.

92bDad · 09-24-2009, 08:49 AM

So let me see, Mavdog has deamed that there is nothing wrong with using an offensive term if originated within those who are being offended.

Now I don't know where the term "TeaBagger" as it relates to "Tea Party Individuals" started...but with this philosophy,

Isn't it the same as a White person using the "N" word, because African-Americans (By the way, I find Hyphenated-American to be incredibly offensive) use the "N" word when talking about one another.

Can you not see, that it doesn't matter where something originates...if the use of a term is offensive, then it is what it is?

Kinda makes me want to call Obama supporters "Keepers", it also has a sexual meaning for those who swallow it all...that seems to fit their lovefest of the annointed one.

I can see the Headline now..."MSNBC's Keepers were seen last night at a rally with a group of TeaBaggers"

Either way, it's just not a pretty sight...

Murphy3 · 09-24-2009, 09:08 AM

One of Obama's biggest problems is this... no one really voted for the guy because they liked him. They voted him for these reasons:
1. He's black
2. He's a democrat
3. He's not a republican
4. He's not George Bush
5. He has terrorist ties

But hey, no one really liked the guy. He'll have an unsuccessful single term as President of the US and then he'll be nothing more than a failed president that happened to be black.

mcsluggo · 09-24-2009, 10:41 AM

that may be the case in texas (but i doubt it).

People were and still are extremely excited about the prospects of an Obama presidency. I think you have gotten your point across that you personally are not. Numerous times. We get it.

Similarly, there was a large group of voters that was extremely excited about W coming in , and for about the first 5 or 6 years of his presidency. It wasn't until the last 2 or so years that any of his core supporters really started to throw him under the bus and began to pretend that they never supported him in the first place. We will see if a similar pattern is followed with Obama supporters.

Murphy3 · 09-24-2009, 05:44 PM

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that may be the case in texas (but i doubt it).

People were and still are extremely excited about the prospects of an Obama presidency. I think you have gotten your point across that you personally are not. Numerous times. We get it.

Similarly, there was a large group of voters that was extremely excited about W coming in , and for about the first 5 or 6 years of his presidency. It wasn't until the last 2 or so years that any of his core supporters really started to throw him under the bus and began to pretend that they never supported him in the first place. We will see if a similar pattern is followed with Obama supporters.

Nope, no one likes Obama.

dude1394 · 09-24-2009, 10:45 AM

He's looking more and more like a bad impression of jimmy carter. The world isn't challenging him because he'll bend the US over all by himself.

dude1394 · 09-24-2009, 10:46 AM

Hm...only 51% now give him passing grades...so he can only skate for so long....Independents in particular are loosing the "faith".

Mavdog · 09-24-2009, 06:08 PM

51% of the respondents disagree with your conclusion.

Barack Obama's approval rating has been highly stable for much of September. Currently at 51% in Gallup Daily tracking, it has been 51%, 52%, or 53% in each three-day rolling average since Sept. 5.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123182/Ob...y-Low-50s.aspx

Murphy3 · 09-24-2009, 07:38 PM

I thought for sure that there was a difference between approval rating and actually "liking" someone.

I approved of the Cowboys taking a shot on Tank Johnson.. but I didn't like Tank Johnson at all prior to the move.