PGT: 8 on 5, OKC + Refs win. - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

CadBane · 02-01-2012, 10:40 PM

Blatantly bias officiating. Worst I've seen since 2006.

Dan1 · 02-01-2012, 10:42 PM

i havent seen all the game but it cant be worse than g3 (?) last year
except we won...

Dan1 · 02-01-2012, 10:42 PM

i havent seen all the game but it cant be worse than g3 (?) last year
except we won...

Underdog · 02-01-2012, 10:43 PM

LetsGoMavs · 02-01-2012, 10:46 PM

Dirk needs to be shut down for at least a couple of weeks - right now he's hurting us more than he's helping.

I would have no problem with him being gone till the All-Star break.

some1nw · 02-01-2012, 10:46 PM

offensively we missed the shots we normally make. With the exception of Terry, nobody else on our team could deliver it. Dirk just 2/15, VC 3/10 and so on. Lets call it an off night.
Ah, and the referees missed some calls as well.

Bayliss · 02-01-2012, 10:48 PM

Dirk's pitifulness cost the Mavs the game more than the refs. Had Dirk hit... let's say 3 shots..... the Mavs could have won.

But asking this version of Dirk to carry any sort of load offensively is obviously too much.

Bookit · 02-01-2012, 10:48 PM

I am worried about Dirk a bit. Usually he steps it up when he is really needed. Total bomb on his part tonight. Weird.

twistaeffect2004 · 02-01-2012, 10:48 PM

Great effort by the boys tonight, just a lot going against them in this game.

And, it's time to shut Dirk down for an extended period of time. He's simply not getting any better. Only thing that will help him at this point is extended rest.

john cage bubblegum · 02-01-2012, 10:49 PM

Give me a break regarding the refs. OKC committed 4 more fouls in the game when you discount the intentional fouls on the Mavs at the end of the game. They're simply a better team then us if Dirk is going to be virtually non-existant (being down Haywood/Odom doesn't help either).

clutch#41 · 02-01-2012, 10:49 PM

just got home from work and saw the boxscore dirk 2-15 shooting?

WOW

rabbitproof · 02-01-2012, 10:50 PM

The only reason Dirk should still be going would be because rest doesn't help the knee. Unfortunately, that means it may be more serious.

Everybody really stunk. Roddy, West, VC. Marion didn't play great but he was hurt throughout. Mavs may be down too many people.

clutch#41 · 02-01-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LetsGoMavs

Dirk needs to be shut down for at least a couple of weeks - right now he's hurting us more than he's helping.

I would have no problem with him being gone till the All-Star break.

is he already thinking about retirement????

Aggie E · 02-01-2012, 10:51 PM

Dirk needs to rehab his knee to the point that he can get lift on his jumpers again. Dallas can make the playoffs since they have more depth, but he needs to be 100%

spreedom · 02-01-2012, 10:52 PM

I was going to make a similar comment about Dirk... I feel bad for him because he's trying out there; he did a very good job crashing the boards but it looks like he just doesn't have his legs under him. Lots of jumpers clanging off the front of the rim and very little lateral movement defensively.

Get well soon big fella!

sike · 02-01-2012, 10:53 PM

this Dirk makes me sad. might have to watch the Championship DVD to breathe some joy into my sports soul.

LetsGoMavs · 02-01-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

is he already thinking about retirement????

Wtf are you talking about?

He's hurt and needs to sit for a minimum of two weeks (and let his knee fully heal) for us to have any chance in the playoffs.

CadBane · 02-01-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by john cage bubblegum

Give me a break regarding the refs. OKC committed 4 more fouls in the game when you discount the intentional fouls on the Mavs at the end of the game. They're simply a better team then us if Dirk is going to be virtually non-existant (being down Haywood/Odom doesn't help either).

1. Watch the game instead of looking at the boxscore. Tons of BLATANT, MOMENTUM SWINGING, EGREGIOUS CALLS. West mugged on drive, no call. Dirk mugged on drive (followed by a touch foul on us), no call. Dirk mugged on rebound before Westbrook dagger, no call. Terry fouled bringing it up, no call, leads to steal and dunk. Horeshit officiating leads to 2 points (2 Ts).

2. Learn the English language. It's "than", not "then".

Bookit · 02-01-2012, 10:54 PM

The fact that Marion was hurt really impacted the game. He just wasn't aggressive after halftime. The Mavs are an older team that will get hurt more often.

twistaeffect2004 · 02-01-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bookit

The fact that Marion was hurt really impacted the game. He just wasn't aggressive after halftime. The Mavs are an older team that will get hurt more often.

Well this condensed schedule is wreaking havoc on everyone right now. The injuries are piling up as is the bad basketball.

At this point it's about treading water if you're the Mavs. Just reach the playoffs and do your best to remain somewhat healthy.

FINtastic · 02-01-2012, 10:58 PM

I'm having trouble piecing together what's going on with Dirk. I have to admit, the whole missing four games for "conditioning" always struck me as a bogus excuse (granted the reason always flip-flopped between the knee and conditioning depending on who you asked). If the knee was that bad though, why is he back already? Is it due to wishful thinking that four games of rest was all it would take to do the trick?

My guess is that his knee was in pain, they aren't quite sure what's going on there, but were hopeful that the short rest would have it feeling good to go. Plus, mentioning that it's more "conditioning" than an unknown issue with his knee keeps the fans from freaking out. Now he's back on the court, and it hasn't responded as they would like.

LetsGoMavs · 02-01-2012, 10:59 PM

And btw, at least German fans could've seen this slump of Dirk coming (obviously not to this extent) - he was hurt back than at the Eurobasket, gave interviews in mid November about being close to a burnout and having a hard time getting in shape.

Underdog · 02-01-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by john cage bubblegum

Give me a break regarding the refs. OKC committed 4 more fouls in the game when you discount the intentional fouls on the Mavs at the end of the game.

Blatant no-calls don't show up on a stat sheet...

Aggie E · 02-01-2012, 11:00 PM

The problem with knees are that they dont always improve with rehab or whatever. there are many great players that "fall off a cliff' when they hurt their knee...

tgfan · 02-01-2012, 11:01 PM

1. Again tonight, too many jump shots from the Mavs, even when we were in the bonus early in the quarter. I just can't understand why the Mavs never seem to take advantage of the bonus.

2. Dirk needed to post up more and get to the line. He still draws the double team and can draw the foul if he makes a strong move.

3. Where was Vince down the stretch? He was scoring and drawing fouls in the first half.

4. The refs did suck. When they start doing no-calls when Wade and Lebron jump into the defender, then I will accept the no-calls on Roddy, Wright, and Dirk.

john cage bubblegum · 02-01-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

1. Watch the game instead of looking at the boxscore. Tons of BLATANT, MOMENTUM SWINGING, EGREGIOUS CALLS. West mugged on drive, no call. Dirk mugged on drive (followed by a touch foul on us), no call. Dirk mugged on rebound before Westbrook dagger, no call. Terry fouled bringing it up, no call, leads to steal and dunk. Horeshit officiating leads to 2 points (2 Ts).

2. Learn the English language. It's "than", not "then".

3. Go euthanize yourself.

1. In a game with a lot of fouls on both sides (a few too many for my taste, but whatever), questionable ticky-tack calls are just gonna happen. We got some questionable calls too, but you never notice them as much in the heat of the game when you're rooting as a fan. There were games in the 2011 WCF against OKC that were easily officiated worse than this.

2. Goddamn dude, ever heard of Xanax?

clutch#41 · 02-01-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LetsGoMavs

Wtf are you talking about?

He's hurt and needs to sit for a minimum of two weeks (and let his knee fully heal) for us to have any chance in the playoffs.

he took a week off for "conditioning" still doesnt look right. who knows maybe his injury is alot worse and needs more than 2 weeks. he has never had this issue with "conditoning" ever as a MAV. i just threw that out their, with the latest article about him playing 2 more years, has he already lost his drive to get back fast, train hard and to compete at the highest level bc he already won a ring?

and btw where holger? isn't it suprising that we haven't heard nothing from him which makes me think that its an issue other than conditoning!!

rabbitproof · 02-01-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

I'm having trouble piecing together what's going on with Dirk. I have to admit, the whole missing four games for "conditioning" always struck me as a bogus excuse (granted the reason always flip-flopped between the knee and conditioning depending on who you asked). If the knee was that bad though, why is he back already? Is it due to wishful thinking that four games of rest was all it would take to do the trick?

My guess is that his knee was in pain, they aren't quite sure what's going on there, but were hopeful that the short rest would have it feeling good to go. Plus, mentioning that it's more "conditioning" than an unknown issue with his knee keeps the fans from freaking out. Now he's back on the court, and it hasn't responded as they would like.

Yeah, conditioning didn't seem right but rest may not be the right word also. I think he maybe did some rehab type work over his week off.

He obviously had a long season and then the national team work but he did still get a couple months straight off with the lockout.

I'm worried it's something serious. Has he had a MRI or anything on it?

Aggie E · 02-01-2012, 11:05 PM

Dirk posted up and took his fade-away jumpers and one footed leaners, but they were almost all short...

CadBane · 02-01-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by john cage bubblegum

1. In a game with a lot of fouls on both sides (a few too many for my taste, but whatever), questionable ticky-tack calls are just gonna happen. We got some questionable calls too, but you never notice them as much in the heat of the game when you're rooting as a fan. There were games in the 2011 WCF against OKC that were easily officiated worse than this.

2. Goddamn dude, ever heard of Xanax?

Bullshit. The calls were terribly one-sided, AND at Home, which makes it even more egregious. Try watching with your eyes open next time.

I just pointed out 4 calls from the 4th Quarter alone that were beyond terrible.

Underdog · 02-01-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aggie E

Dirk posted up and took his fade-away jumpers and one footed leaners, but they were almost all short...

That's because he has no elevation in his legs.

john cage bubblegum · 02-01-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Blatant no-calls don't show up on a stat sheet...

Agree there were some bad no-calls on Dirk, but that's practically an everynight thing lately. I'm just used to it I guess; I'm not gonna blame this specific game on that.

adonis · 02-01-2012, 11:07 PM

After the long playoff run, Dirk went way out of his mind and play at the euro championship. By then he already looked finished and slow and could barely jump. Then he sits out 4 months not working out and comes back with the worst season of his life.

Sit Dirk out for another 3 weeks, please. We're winning games because VC and Terry are showing up, not because of the franchise player.

LetsGoMavs · 02-01-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

That's because he has no elevation in his legs.

This. His jumpers had no lift whatsoever.

CadBane · 02-01-2012, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by john cage bubblegum

Agree there were some bad no-calls on Dirk, but that's practically an everynight thing lately. I'm just used to it I guess; I'm not gonna blame this specific game on that.

And West. And Terry.

Aggie E · 02-01-2012, 11:09 PM

Yeah, maybe he needs rest and some conditioning work. i imagine Cuban and RC will decide what to do to give him a chance to get his game right....

LSMF · 02-01-2012, 11:10 PM

Dirk needs rest, and a lot of it. Rest him, we're deep enough to compensate for him not being there. We just need him to be healthy for the playoffs.

FINtastic · 02-01-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

I'm worried it's something serious. Has he had a MRI or anything on it?

This is just speculation on my part, but I can't help but feel like the Mavericks organization hasn't exactly been upfront with the public about the whole situation so who's to say what they have or haven't done in regards to testing and diagnostics.

Any time you are dealing with a knee issue in an older basketball player, I feel like there is reason to be concerned. He probably doesn't have a torn ligament or whatnot, but what if the cartilage is wearing out in his knees or something degenerative is starting up? Those knees only seem to have so much pounding they can take before they start wearing down.

Bayliss · 02-01-2012, 11:12 PM

His jumpers have no lift? His biggest problem is he doesn't even bother getting inside 15 feet. He rarely posts up. When he does it is to shoot another jumper and not turn towards the paint.

And he plays hot potato with the ball more than any member of the team.

LSMF · 02-01-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

His jumpers have no lift? His biggest problem is he doesn't even bother getting inside 165 feet. He rarely posts up. When he does it is to shoot another jumper and not turn towards the paint.

And he plays hot potato with the ball more than any member of the team.

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