02-21-2011, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CadBane
No one calls Carmelo equal to him. No one. Dirk is an MVP. He is a 10 time all-nba player. Three time 1st team all-nba.
Melo has never made 1st team all-nba. He's made 3rd team 3 times and 2nd once.
You really have no clue where guys stand in the NBA hiearchy.
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actually a lot of people call carmelo equal/better than him. obviously they're all wrong... but they do it. case in point, melo started in the ASG over dirk.
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02-21-2011, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by xrobx
actually a lot of people call carmelo equal/better than him. obviously they're all wrong... but they do it. case in point, melo started in the ASG over dirk.
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I see their play as similar. Dunno how to explain it, but both have an accurate shot from mid to long range, even when it's contested. Melo's defense hasn't improved imo, while Dirk's seems better. Could be just the Chandler factor, though. Carmelo is just younger and he's far from decline. You notice that he is the star because he out plays his team. A lot of times Dirk isn't the star of the Mavericks show.
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02-21-2011, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ThisCharmingFan
I see their play as similar. Dunno how to explain it, but both have an accurate shot from mid to long range, even when it's contested. Melo's defense hasn't improved imo, while Dirk's seems better. Could be just the Chandler factor, though. Carmelo is just younger and he's far from decline. You notice that he is the star because he out plays his team. A lot of times Dirk isn't the star of the Mavericks show.
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No.
Melo shoots an eFG% of 41% on jumpers.
Dirk has an eFG% of 56% on jumpers.
Both do not have an accurate jump shot. Melo does spend a lot of time in the mid-post, but he is far from a great jump shooter. And Dirk has been a good defender for a while now, Chandler or not.
Not sure what you mean by being the "star" of the team. Melo has a +5 net +/-. Dirk has a +22.
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02-21-2011, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by xrobx
actually a lot of people call carmelo equal/better than him. obviously they're all wrong... but they do it. case in point, melo started in the ASG over dirk.
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Who are "these people". If you mean Jo Schmo off the street, perhaps. I'm talking about actual coaches, players, GMs, basketball analysts, etc.
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02-21-2011, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CadBane
Who are "these people". If you mean Jo Schmo off the street, perhaps. I'm talking about actual coaches, players, GMs, basketball analysts, etc.
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If you limit it to coaches and GM's then I think you're right.
Once you include players and analysts, however, I think you become very, very wrong.
Charles Barkley called Carmelo the best scorer in the league multiple times this weekend. The list of people taken ahead of Dirk in TNT's fantasy legends draft included Reggie Miller and Ray Allen. And heck, even when Kerr took him he kept referring to him as a great "shooter". Dirk is viewed, by many, many people, as a great shooter. Not as one of the best pure scorers the game has ever seen.
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02-21-2011, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jthig32
If you limit it to coaches and GM's then I think you're right.
Once you include players and analysts, however, I think you become very, very wrong.
Charles Barkley called Carmelo the best scorer in the league multiple times this weekend. The list of people taken ahead of Dirk in TNT's fantasy legends draft included Reggie Miller and Ray Allen. And heck, even when Kerr took him he kept referring to him as a great "shooter". Dirk is viewed, by many, many people, as a great shooter. Not as one of the best pure scorers the game has ever seen.
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A couple things:
A. When Barkley calls Melo the "best scorer in the NBA" he's referring to the ease in which he scores. He's elaborated on this a lot. While I disagree with that notion, it's a distinction. He thinks Melo scores "easier" than Kobe, LBJ, etc. It doesn't mean he thinks they're better. In fact, one time I recall him specifically mentioning Melo NOT being on the level of Dirk (mentioned along with several other players).
B. You're putting way too much stock into a silly TNT all-star draft. The thing is mostly in jest (heck, one of the guys picked Kerr!) Steve Kerr is not a smart analyst, but I don't think even he believes Reggie or Allen is better than Dirk.
C. MVP and All-NBA ARE voted on by players, GMs, and NBA analysts. Given that Dirk finishes ahead of Melo in both on a yearly basis, I think you have your consensus.
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