02-10-2024, 12:56 PM
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I'd also be more worried about not having another pg if Green hasn't made big strides lately. And Washington is a much better handler than Grant.
And let's face it, if Kyrie and Luka are both hurt, then we have no chance anyway. So sweating over not having another pg is a bit silly.
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02-10-2024, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
I'd also be more worried about not having another pg if Green hasn't made big strides lately. And Washington is a much better handler than Grant.
And let's face it, if Kyrie and Luka are both hurt, then we have no chance anyway. So sweating over not having another pg is a bit silly.
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100% agree. I would have liked to have Spencer back, but the Lakers make more sense for him. Between Washington, Green, Hardy, and Exum if and when he comes back, we have quite guys now who are capable of creating their own shots and being secondary ball handlers. I'm not saying we couldn't use a third PG, but it's not a fatal flaw like it used to be.
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02-11-2024, 02:02 PM
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Here is the problem with trade grades. They rate potential over reality. But to me, the better player in the hand is more valuable than the hoped for player who is still in tenth grade.
Prime example?Many thought Atlanta fleeced the Mavs when they got Trey and a first in exchange for Luka?a chunky, slow,no college, unproven prospect .The potential? a 10th pick who turned out to be Cam Reddish. Who?s already.been traded twice. Think any Hawks fans would trade Trey, that pick and 4 more for the Luka today?
The Mavs need a center and wing help now, versus keeping GWill another wasted season in order to save a pick 4 years from now ? I?d rather be a fifth seed now than get a future Cam Reddish in the future.
Plus, the guys we got are young assets on good contracts. They were worth the first round pick we gave to get them. They will be worth more after Luka spoon feeds them a few dozen easy lobs and open threes. Look at Dinwiddie and Dorian to see how Luka inflates a stat sheet.
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02-12-2024, 06:59 AM
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Here is the problem with trade grades. They rate potential over reality. But to me, the better player in the hand is more valuable than the hoped for player who is still in tenth grade.
Prime example?Many thought Atlanta fleeced the Mavs when they got Trey and a first in exchange for Luka?a chunky, slow,no college, unproven prospect .The potential? a 10th pick who turned out to be Cam Reddish. Who?s already.been traded twice. Think any Hawks fans would trade Trey, that pick and 4 more for the Luka today?
The Mavs need a center and wing help now, versus keeping GWill another wasted season in order to save a pick 4 years from now ? I?d rather be a fifth seed now than get a future Cam Reddish in the future.
Plus, the guys we got are young assets on good contracts. They were worth the first round pick we gave to get them. They will be worth more after Luka spoon feeds them a few dozen easy lobs and open threes. Look at Dinwiddie and Dorian to see how Luka inflates a stat sheet.
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Bravo sir!
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02-12-2024, 09:07 AM
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Here is the problem with trade grades. They rate potential over reality. But to me, the better player in the hand is more valuable than the hoped for player who is still in tenth grade.
Prime example?Many thought Atlanta fleeced the Mavs when they got Trey and a first in exchange for Luka?a chunky, slow,no college, unproven prospect .The potential? a 10th pick who turned out to be Cam Reddish. Who?s already.been traded twice. Think any Hawks fans would trade Trey, that pick and 4 more for the Luka today?
The Mavs need a center and wing help now, versus keeping GWill another wasted season in order to save a pick 4 years from now ? I?d rather be a fifth seed now than get a future Cam Reddish in the future.
Plus, the guys we got are young assets on good contracts. They were worth the first round pick we gave to get them. They will be worth more after Luka spoon feeds them a few dozen easy lobs and open threes. Look at Dinwiddie and Dorian to see how Luka inflates a stat sheet.
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The flip side is our 10th pick in 2023 turned about to be Dereck Lively. Otherwise, I mostly agree.
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02-10-2024, 01:08 PM
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Gafford and Washington have been removed from injury report
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02-10-2024, 01:51 PM
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Btw, Nico said Grant Williams was a great guy and teammate which goes against what mr stir the pot TMac has "reported."
Wish that guy covered another team. He thinks journalism is all about doing crap like that which I think is unnecessary.
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02-10-2024, 03:56 PM
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Marc Stein reported similar they didn?t like Grants ?noisy approach to the game? in addition to being frustrated by his on court performances. Is he stirring the pot too?
Nico is just doing a little damage control because of online chatter
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02-13-2024, 07:04 PM
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Fuck the national narrative. I have been historically pessimistic on this franchise but F'n Nico has basically turned over the roster and age aligned with Luka in a matter of 2 years. This team with a tweak or two in the next few years will compete for a championship. You can't look at the current roster going into the post all star period as anything but promising with a lot of young athletic age appropriate support for Luka's super powers. Fuck off Simmons, ESPN, Stephen A Smith et al
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02-13-2024, 07:12 PM
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It's not just the media though. Dinwiddie and Kuzma talking shit is just plain bizarre.
Kuzma talking shit on us like we're some peasant team that has no shot. Like dude, if you had come in the Gafford trade, we'd sure as hell be contenders.
Who thought we were going to the WCF in 2022? Guess Dinwiddie forgot about that.
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02-13-2024, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
It's not just the media though. Dinwiddie and Kuzma talking shit is just plain bizarre.
Kuzma talking shit on us like we're some peasant team that has no shot. Like dude, if you had come in the Gafford trade, we'd sure as hell be contenders.
Who thought we were going to the WCF in 2022? Guess Dinwiddie forgot about that.
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What did Kuzma and SD say?
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02-13-2024, 08:26 PM
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02-13-2024, 09:17 PM
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Thanks, I ended up finding these. Along with Grants comments.
Dinwiddie made a weird analogy. I cant exactly tell if hes saying that essentially losing is ok here? Or, LA is the bigger challenge for him? Im glad im on record as saying I didnt want him taking mins from Hardy.
These players dont have filters sometimes and Luka wont forget it.
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02-13-2024, 09:23 PM
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Thanks, I ended up finding these. Along with Grants comments.
Dinwiddie made a weird analogy. I cant exactly tell if hes saying that essentially losing is ok here? Or, LA is the bigger challenge for him? Im glad im on record as saying I didnt want him taking mins from Hardy.
These players dont have filters sometimes and Luka wont forget it.
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Well someone pointed out that Kuzma woulda cost 2 firsts which likely means no Gafford.
In no universe am I picking Kuzma over Gafford. I know the FO wanted that 4, but we needed exactly what Gafford brings.
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02-14-2024, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
It's not just the media though. Dinwiddie and Kuzma talking shit is just plain bizarre.
Kuzma talking shit on us like we're some peasant team that has no shot. Like dude, if you had come in the Gafford trade, we'd sure as hell be contenders.
Who thought we were going to the WCF in 2022? Guess Dinwiddie forgot about that.
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It was weird the way the media latched onto that. Kuzma talking about Im trying for championships not just a playoff spot (as a shot to mavs)
Buddy you have 9 wins, you just like the idea of being a #1 for a franchise and get all the shots. He can pretend he's building something but what a joke.
Dinwiddie just likes to sound smart but comes off dumb as hell.
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02-14-2024, 12:45 PM
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It was weird the way the media latched onto that. Kuzma talking about Im trying for championships not just a playoff spot (as a shot to mavs)
Buddy you have 9 wins, you just like the idea of being a #1 for a franchise and get all the shots. He can pretend he's building something but what a joke.
Dinwiddie just likes to sound smart but comes off dumb as hell.
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Reading his comments (so maybe I missed inflection), it sounds like he was trying to be a loyal/hero like Dirk.
"do you want to leave? Naw, I'll be loyal and stay for the rebuild"
It's just Wind-worst that is making it sound like he said he hated Luka and didn't want to be here.
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02-14-2024, 02:39 PM
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Yea my take is that the media is running this dumbass narrative along with the "players don't wanna play with Luka and/or Kyrie"
In any event, super happy with how the trade deadline played out. Can't wait for this squad to simply shit on all of these lazy ass soundbite opinions.
I was on record in wanting Kuzma, but not at the expense of Gafford and an additional first. Washington fits more of what we need in athleticism, and I think he will prove to be the better defender. Kuzma is only a shade better offensively IMO and he also carries an ego whereas PJ doesn't. Kuzma honestly sounds like he's fine cashing checks and getting shots up. Fuck out of here trying to honestly say you think you can build something in Washington LOLLLLLL
In short, fuck Dinwiddie and Kuzma if that's truly their take.
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02-14-2024, 02:41 PM
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Seriously, did y'all catch the Windhorst pivot yesterday? Literally at the start of a LAKERS segment he goes off on a tangent about how Mavs fans should be worried. He's such a hack that we would have been blessed to never have had to listen to if it weren't for coat-tail riding Lebron in his early career. The man should talk about Lebron and nothing else, since anything else comes out as utter bullshit.
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02-14-2024, 03:03 PM
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Seriously, did y'all catch the Windhorst pivot yesterday? Literally at the start of a LAKERS segment he goes off on a tangent about how Mavs fans should be worried. He's such a hack that we would have been blessed to never have had to listen to if it weren't for coat-tail riding Lebron in his early career. The man should talk about Lebron and nothing else, since anything else comes out as utter bullshit.
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Nope. Didnt listen. That type of stuff is geared for twitter mav casuals
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02-14-2024, 04:55 PM
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Nope. Didnt listen. That type of stuff is geared for twitter mav casuals
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Ha interestingly enough, Twitter is where I did see it. However, don't knock the X, some of our best and brightest are on there spitting fantastic Mavs content. Just have to weed through all the BS...
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02-14-2024, 06:05 PM
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Ha interestingly enough, Twitter is where I did see it. However, don't knock the X, some of our best and brightest are on there spitting fantastic Mavs content. Just have to weed through all the BS...
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True that. I enjoy x, but like you say, you have to weed out the Bs
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02-24-2024, 03:51 AM
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Alex Poku released by OKC.
Anyone interested?
Skilled 7 footer and only 22yo.
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03-01-2024, 11:26 AM
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Hawks waiving Patty Mills. Could be a good pick-up for the Mavs given Exum's shaky health. I would prefer to have another PG around just in case....
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03-01-2024, 02:32 PM
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Always liked me some Patty Mills
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03-04-2024, 01:01 PM
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We signed Lawson to the last roster spot and Alex Fudge to 2 way.
Watched highlights and saw nothing but spectacular dunks and blocked shots.
Not sure he'd ever develop into anything usable because I don't see a lot of offensive skills.
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