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alby · 02-20-2006, 02:54 AM

Well the rule I think is 3 years or less of NBA experience since its the Sprite "rising stars" Slam Dunk Competition.. so 30 year olds can still enter, Sarunas Jasikevicius anyone?

atrewsfan · 02-20-2006, 08:37 AM

So who's better? Dirk or Larry Bird?

Five-ofan · 02-20-2006, 09:26 AM

Dtown spud was a good bit better than Nate.

Drbio · 02-20-2006, 10:24 AM

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Dtown spud was a good bit better than Nate.

I fear another Jet Terry poll is on the way.....

Murphy3 · 02-20-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by atrewsfan

So who's better? Dirk or Larry Bird?

Better at what?... shooting the three? Give me Dirk.
Bird was a bad three point shooter for much of his career. It wasn't until he was around 28 that he was worth a damn behind the arc.

Big Boy Laroux · 02-20-2006, 11:19 AM

spud vs. nate... spud vs. nate. i'll bet spud could have done what nate did, if people were thinking of that stuff 20 years ago. i'd consider them pretty equal.

i think the league changed it to the "3 years or less experience" because they always had egg on their face when the elite veterans routinely rejected the contest.

Dtownsfinest · 02-20-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Dtown spud was a good bit better than Nate.

Really? Sort of seems like Nate gets a lot more air from under him than Spud use to. I can't debate though because I never really got to see Spud dunk in-game. All I can go by is what I saw in the slam dunk competition. Nate was jumping up there with much more hangtime and he also weighs a good 30-40 pounds than Spud did.

Dtownsfinest · 02-20-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

spud vs. nate... spud vs. nate. i'll bet spud could have done what nate did, if people were thinking of that stuff 20 years ago. i'd consider them pretty equal.

i think the league changed it to the "3 years or less experience" because they always had egg on their face when the elite veterans routinely rejected the contest.

I think that has a lot to do with it. I think the league also realized by lowering the age limit they could start to showcase some of the younger guys in the league.

Arne · 02-20-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

spud vs. nate... spud vs. nate. i'll bet spud could have done what nate did, if people were thinking of that stuff 20 years ago. i'd consider them pretty equal.

i think the league changed it to the "3 years or less experience" because they always had egg on their face when the elite veterans routinely rejected the contest.

Spud couldn't do the between the legs dunk as far as I know. Plus, he did a 360 dunk and the crowd went crazy, Nate did a pass to himself and then after catching the ball in the air a 360.

sike · 02-20-2006, 07:28 PM

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Maybe Terry's suprise was that he was going to miss a lot of 3's...

zing

Pro · 02-20-2006, 07:47 PM

Damn dirk cut your hair

Dirkenstien · 02-20-2006, 08:04 PM

Is it just me or does Dirk seem to play better with the long hair? It may be a Samson thing.

twelli · 02-20-2006, 08:05 PM

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Damn dirk cut your hair

during the 3-point shoot-out we had vintage shaggy unshaved dirk doing his thing

what happened after that and before the all-star game? he took hair advice from Nash?

Jesus, his hair looked like soggy instant noodles and his goatie? Robin Hood in adolescence?

get rid of all the hair and start all over again, pleeeeaaase....

dude1394 · 02-20-2006, 08:17 PM

He is looking pretty scruffy. He just needs to pay someone to cut it once in a while. He can't be that cheap can he?

bernardos70 · 02-20-2006, 08:50 PM

It's not that he's cheap, he just can't be arsed

And he seems to play better with the long hair than when his hair is more aerodynamically shaped (#1 all around)

Dtownsfinest · 02-20-2006, 11:37 PM

Yea I don't know what it is but I don't have too many fond memories of Dirk with the caesar cut. Seems his greatness has always been with the longer hair.

Thespiralgoeson · 02-20-2006, 11:54 PM

I don't know what it is, but he seriously does play better with long hair. I remember last year his numbers started to drop off right about the time he shaved his head. If he's going to cut it, I hope he just gets a trim, or just waits until the offseason to shave it.

kriD · 02-21-2006, 06:01 AM

Dirk = Pterelaos

Big Boy Laroux · 02-21-2006, 10:49 AM

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Spud couldn't do the between the legs dunk as far as I know.

as far as you know? you talked with spud about it? it's all specualtion. i was saying that spud could have gotten up high enough to do that, but no one was thinking of between-the-legs stuff at that time.

Five-ofan · 02-21-2006, 01:39 PM

Spuds 360 was better than nates. He actually did a complete 360 in the air. Nate did somewhere between a 270 and a 360. He also made his dunks on 1 try which for me makes the dunk contest better. Its a beating to see him take roughly 40 attempts over the course of the entire night. Btw i dont mean to degrade nate by saying that spud was better or that I thought AI should have won the dunk contest. He is extremely impressive i just thought that the others were better.

Big Boy Laroux · 02-21-2006, 02:12 PM

just wanted to add...

if the rules say you can attempt as many times as needed to make it, then that's the rule, and you cannot penalize someone for missing that many times. i agree it's a dumb rule (they should only get a certain amount of attempts, or an allotted time), but nate shouldn't be penalized because he was within the rules.

Arne · 02-21-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Spuds 360 was better than nates. He actually did a complete 360 in the air. Nate did somewhere between a 270 and a 360. He also made his dunks on 1 try which for me makes the dunk contest better. Its a beating to see him take roughly 40 attempts over the course of the entire night. Btw i dont mean to degrade nate by saying that spud was better or that I thought AI should have won the dunk contest. He is extremely impressive i just thought that the others were better.

Spud didn't do a pass-to-himself-360! Spud did a normal 360, whereas Nate did the 360 or 270 or however you wanna call it after a pass to himself.

@BigBoyLaroux

Nate didn'T do a between the legs, I can only go from what I've seen from him and considering what I saw, Nate is the better dunker. I could also tell you that Nate cando the against-the-backboard-between-the legs, 'cause otherwise he wouldn't have tried, but I didn't.

Dtownsfinest · 02-21-2006, 04:22 PM

Yea Spud did do the bounce pass to himself in the slam dunk competition but he just 1 handed it. Nate actually did the same thing but added a 360.

Big Boy Laroux · 02-21-2006, 04:45 PM

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Nate didn'T do a between the legs,

um, nate DID do a between the legs dunk. what were you watching?

it is all SPECULATION. i think spud could have done it. you think he couldn't. again, i state that they weren't as creative with their dunks back then. who knows what he could have done.

Arne · 02-21-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

um, nate DID do a between the legs dunk. what were you watching?

it is all SPECULATION. i think spud could have done it. you think he couldn't. again, i state that they weren't as creative with their dunks back then. who knows what he could have done.

I'm sorry, I meant Spudd of course. But it was pretty obvious that I meant Spudd, considering that I said in the same sentence: "considering what I saw, Nate is the better dunker".

And regarding your second point about "it's all speculation"´, I can only say that it's not all speculation, since Nate DID do the between the legs, whereas Spudd didn't. Mine argument is based on facts, yours on speculation...

Arne · 02-21-2006, 05:08 PM

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Yea Spud did do the bounce pass to himself in the slam dunk competition but he just 1 handed it. Nate actually did the same thing but added a 360.

Yeah, but a bounce pass to yourself and then do a one-handed dunk is by far easier than a bounce-pass-to-yourself-and-then-dunk-it-two-handed-360-style.

Even Spudd's 360 was only a one-handed 360, which is a lot easier.

I don't want to take anything away from Spudd, he was a great dunker, someone who really took it to another level in terms of little people duning, but to say it with the words of Jamal Crawford: "Spudd ain't got shit on Nate".

Big Boy Laroux · 02-21-2006, 05:33 PM

it is indeed specualtion, because we don't know if spud COULD do a between-the-legs dunk. like i said, no one had thought of that back then. it's not like nate invented it this year.

that's what i get for arguing semantics with a frenchy.

endtroducing MASKED · 02-21-2006, 06:00 PM

whoever wanted to know if Dirk or Bird was better...Bird was a much better overall player. his averages are far superior to Dirk's, but he never had to completely carry a team like Dirk does, imo.

Bird's career stats:
24 points
10 rebounds
6 assists
2 steals
50 percent from the field (49.6, I rounded up, sue me)

Dirk's career stats:
21 points
9 rebounds
3 assists
1 steal
46 percent from the field

Five-ofan · 02-21-2006, 07:45 PM

Bird was a better overall player and im not gonna argue that until Dirk wins a couple of rings but the career stats thing is gonna be skewed because of ages when they came in. Bird was around 23 or 24 when he came in if i remember correctly. Dirk was 19. Compare them starting when dirk is 23 or 24 and the stats get alot more similar. as to the nate thing, you do realize that passing it to yourself makes it easier to jump right??? He was already spinning when he grabbed the ball so passing it to himself didnt make it anymore difficult if anything it made it easier.

Thespiralgoeson · 02-22-2006, 01:03 AM

Anyone comparing Dirk to Bird must keep a couple of things in perspecitve. First of all, Bird was a lot older and MUCH more experienced coming into the NBA. He had been playing basketball his entire life, and had a solid collegiate career, playing against Magic in the NCAA finals and all. Bird was 24 his rookie season. Dirk grew up playing tennis and handball, before playing only a little bit of basketball for the German national team. He was what, 19 coming into the league? Bird was a sure thing, a no brainer. Dirk, however, was a huge risk. Second, Bird, as well as Magic, went to a team that was ready to make another run for the finals. Of course, the previous year the Celtics had a horrible record, but it was mostly due to injury (most notibly, Cowens) When the Celts acquired Bird, they also brought in players like McHale, and Parish the next season.

Was Bird a better player than Dirk? Of course he was. He's Larry freaking Legend! But I don't think the gap is nearly as significant as most seem to think. In terms of overall skill, they're virtually equal. Dirk is as good a scorer and rebounder, and defender as Bird ever was. He's also MUCH more atheletic than Bird was. Bird however, was simply the greatest passing forward of all time. Other than that, their games are virtually identical. The only real difference is Birds "leadership" as well as the fact that he was great from day 1 whereas Dirk took time to develop.

But again, I emphasize how different their backgrounds are. I think things might've been a little different if Dirk came into the NBA three years ago after playing against the highest level of competition in Europe, or if he'd taken up Barkley on his offer to go Auburn and played in the NCAA for a few years. Or better yet, imagine if Larry Bird had never touched a basketball before he was 17, played in high school for a few years and came into the NBA at 19 instead of 24. And lets also imagine if Bird had never had teammates like McHale or Parish, or if Dirk DID.

Is there a gap? Of course. But I just don't know how big it is.

orangedays · 02-22-2006, 02:12 AM

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Anyone comparing Dirk to Bird must keep a couple of things in perspecitve. First of all, Bird was a lot older and MUCH more experienced coming into the NBA. He had been playing basketball his entire life, and had a solid collegiate career, playing against Magic in the NCAA finals and all. Bird was 24 his rookie season. Dirk grew up playing tennis and handball, before playing only a little bit of basketball for the German national team. He was what, 19 coming into the league? Bird was a sure thing, a no brainer. Dirk, however, was a huge risk. Second, Bird, as well as Magic, went to a team that was ready to make another run for the finals. Of course, the previous year the Celtics had a horrible record, but it was mostly due to injury (most notibly, Cowens) When the Celts acquired Bird, they also brought in players like McHale, and Parish the next season.

Was Bird a better player than Dirk? Of course he was. He's Larry freaking Legend! But I don't think the gap is nearly as significant as most seem to think. In terms of overall skill, they're virtually equal. Dirk is as good a scorer and rebounder, and defender as Bird ever was. He's also MUCH more atheletic than Bird was. Bird however, was simply the greatest passing forward of all time. Other than that, their games are virtually identical. The only real difference is Birds "leadership" as well as the fact that he was great from day 1 whereas Dirk took time to develop.

But again, I emphasize how different their backgrounds are. I think things might've been a little different if Dirk came into the NBA three years ago after playing against the highest level of competition in Europe, or if he'd taken up Barkley on his offer to go Auburn and played in the NCAA for a few years. Or better yet, imagine if Larry Bird had never touched a basketball before he was 17, played in high school for a few years and came into the NBA at 19 instead of 24. And lets also imagine if Bird had never had teammates like McHale or Parish, or if Dirk DID.

Is there a gap? Of course. But I just don't know how big it is.

Great post, but god forbid.

endtroducing MASKED · 02-22-2006, 11:32 AM

why do people act like Dirk ever had a serious offer to go to Auburn? Charles was joking and said he'd PAY HIM to go, that's clearly a rules violation. Charles can't offer a scholarship, you know...plus Dirk had really been a professional player in the first place. he was never even recruited by an American college as far as I know...

Five-ofan · 02-22-2006, 11:47 AM

Umm im relatively certain he was offered/ thought about going to kentucky. Then again you are right about him being professional in germany so i dont know how that would have worked but I do know that there was alot of talk about kentucky offering him a scholarship.

sike · 02-22-2006, 01:51 PM

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Damn dirk cut your hair

no!

sike · 02-22-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Anyone comparing Dirk to Bird must keep a couple of things in perspecitve. First of all, Bird was a lot older and MUCH more experienced coming into the NBA. He had been playing basketball his entire life, and had a solid collegiate career, playing against Magic in the NCAA finals and all. Bird was 24 his rookie season. Dirk grew up playing tennis and handball, before playing only a little bit of basketball for the German national team. He was what, 19 coming into the league? Bird was a sure thing, a no brainer. Dirk, however, was a huge risk. Second, Bird, as well as Magic, went to a team that was ready to make another run for the finals. Of course, the previous year the Celtics had a horrible record, but it was mostly due to injury (most notibly, Cowens) When the Celts acquired Bird, they also brought in players like McHale, and Parish the next season.

Was Bird a better player than Dirk? Of course he was. He's Larry freaking Legend! But I don't think the gap is nearly as significant as most seem to think. In terms of overall skill, they're virtually equal. Dirk is as good a scorer and rebounder, and defender as Bird ever was. He's also MUCH more atheletic than Bird was. Bird however, was simply the greatest passing forward of all time. Other than that, their games are virtually identical. The only real difference is Birds "leadership" as well as the fact that he was great from day 1 whereas Dirk took time to develop.

But again, I emphasize how different their backgrounds are. I think things might've been a little different if Dirk came into the NBA three years ago after playing against the highest level of competition in Europe, or if he'd taken up Barkley on his offer to go Auburn and played in the NCAA for a few years. Or better yet, imagine if Larry Bird had never touched a basketball before he was 17, played in high school for a few years and came into the NBA at 19 instead of 24. And lets also imagine if Bird had never had teammates like McHale or Parish, or if Dirk DID.

Is there a gap? Of course. But I just don't know how big it is.

great post...

I love Morbo.