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Old 04-09-2008, 12:13 PM   #41
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I voted the Hornets. Weak bench and inexperience.

The Spurs will be out for blood after the Mavs beat them in game 7 a couple years ago. I have visions of Parker and Ginobli driving at will.

I want no part of Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Radmanovic, Farmar, Vuijic, and Fisher in the first round.
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:23 PM   #42
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I'd rather play SA or LA first round. Then play NO in the second.

We would probably play atleast 2 of these three teams throughout the playoffs anyways.

Might as well go up against the tougher ones when we're fresh.
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Old 04-09-2008, 02:27 PM   #43
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i picked the Spurs because we've beaten them before in the playoffs so we know it is possible and have done better against them in the regular season than against kobe and paul who pretty much have there way

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Old 04-09-2008, 03:18 PM   #44
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Right now out of the 3 teams we are probably going to face I think our best chance of winning is going to be against New Orleans. They have the least amount of experience in the playoffs and I really think we can beat them if we get in there heads.

I really just dont see us having any chance this year against the Spurs or Lakers. Sorry.
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BigD we aren't making the playoffs remember?
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oh and there's already a thread on this

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showthread.php?t=32842
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:26 PM   #47
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I think he's so down on the team because he thinks Quisy is still on it.
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is it difficult, BigD?
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I didn't even know it was possible to get 8 red boxes.
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They had to make adjustments.
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I didn't even know it was possible to get 8 red boxes.
I too was stunned, but that has faded in the face of his new quest: 9 red boxes.
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I´m pretty sure the Spurs are no real opponent this year. Get ´em on in the first round ...
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maybe shoulda added suns to the list.
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I know we're making our decisions based on eyeball analysis of our rivals and their relative fierceness so I can't....

.. but damn, do I want to give us credit being so awesome and so faithful that we want San Anton in the first round!!
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Although it doesn't seem like we have much of a choice, I think, it'd be an easier route to the conf finals, if we play 2 of NOH, UTA, HOU... than 2 of LAL, SAS and PHX.
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All of those teams have flaws, it's a matter of the Mavs taking advantage of it. Lakers will have problems integrating Gasol and Bynum, problem is that Jackson is smart enough to go with the chemistry and use Bynum off the bench to get Gasol a blow....he won't depend on Bynum offensively......the refs will be on the Lakers side too.

The Spurs, are old, haven't really been consistent this season, but they've been there, done that, knows what it's like to be down. Age catching up?

Hornets, I compare these guys to the first Nets finals team, Scott led, Kidd -should have won the MVP.......outside of Kidd not really a bunch of household names, just had a ton of chemistry. I think the Hornets are in the same boat, ton of chemistry. Can they overcome their lack of experience and bench?
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Knocking the Spurs out of the first round would probably give me the most satisfaction. Not to mention taking down our biggest rival in the first round would give us some confidence.

The Hornets would be my next choice... we don't want to play the Lakers.
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Yeah if we aren't going to get to the Finals this year, then I would at least love to destroy the Spurs.
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Lakers it is looking it will be. Uh this is heartbreaking.
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Just for reference - games remaining in parenthesis:

55-23 NO (@LA, LAC, @Dal)
54-25 LA (NO, SA, Sac)
53-25 SA (Sea, @LA, @Sac, Utah)
52-27 Utah (Den, Hou, @SA)
53-25 Houston (Pho, @Den, @Utah, LAC)
53-26 Phoenix (@Hou, GS, Por)
50-29 Dallas
48-31 Denver

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I assume NO, Dallas, and Denver are locked into there positions at 1, 7, and 8. Utah is virtually locked in at 4(edit) with their schedule. I can't see Houston doing better than 5th. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out (edit)

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Just for reference - games remaining in parenthesis:

55-23 NO
54-25 LA (NO, SA, Sac)
53-25 SA (Sea, @LA, @Sac, Utah)
53-25 Houston (Pho, @Den, @Utah, LAC)
53-26 Phoenix (@Hou, GS, Por)
52-27 Utah (Den, Hou, @SA)
50-29 Dallas
48-31 Denver

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I assume NO, Dallas, and Denver are locked into there positions at 1, 7, and 8. Utah is virtually locked in at 6 with their schedule. I can't see Houston doing better than 5th. It will be interesting to see how it shakes out for LA, SA, and Phoenix.
That's not right at all. Utah is 4th as a division winner, and Houston/PHX are still very much in contention for 2/3.
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That's not right at all. Utah is 4th as a division winner, and Houston/PHX are still very much in contention for 2/3.
Oh, is that right? My apologies, then, I wasn't sure how the seeding thing worked.
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I assume NO, Dallas, and Denver are locked into there positions at 1, 7, and 8.
No no no. If the Lakers beat the Hornets tonight, they will be 0.5 games back, so the #1 seed is still in the air.
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Oh, is that right? My apologies, then, I wasn't sure how the seeding thing worked.
Yeah, basically a division winner is guaranteed a top 4 spot. One non division winner can be in the top 4 above division winners that have a worse record than them, but as a division winner you can do no worse than 4th no matter what.

I'm hoping that somehow Houston ends up #2. That'd be amazing.
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No no no. If the Lakers beat the Hornets tonight, they will be 0.5 games back, so the #1 seed is still in the air.
Ouch, I'm overlooking a lot today!
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Yeah, basically a division winner is guaranteed a top 4 spot. One non division winner can be in the top 4 above division winners that have a worse record than them, but as a division winner you can do no worse than 4th no matter what.
Thanks for the explanation.
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I sooooo want San Antonio in the first round:


NBA's Biggest Choke-Job: 1st-seeded Dallas Mavericks lose to 8th-seeded Golden State Warriors in the first round...

NBA's Biggest Comeback: 7th-seeded Dallas Mavericks beat 2nd-seeded defending NBA champions San Antonio Spurs in the first round...


Hell, I'd still be happy even if we lost the second round...
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and we certainly wouldnt be "playing down" to the Spurs... as we often do to weaker teams than us. But, if say the Rockets somehow get the 2nd seed then I dont think we would play as hard. I believe that if we played the Spurs first round and beat them we would have a much better chance at going to the finals than if we faced any other team and beat them.

The playoffs are going to be so much of a mental challenge more than anything for this team. If they are in their right mind mentally, then they are the best team.
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I'll take Houston.

Its close to home and SOMEONE is going to send them home in the first round.
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Most likely scenario in my humble oipinion:

The Mavs and Hornets will face each other for the right to play or avoid each other in the first round. If the Mavs win the last game we will play the Hornets in the 1st round if the Lakers take care of business...either way I like our chances.

The Hornets and Lakers sure as hell are trying to avoid us

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why has only one person mentioned phil jackson on this whole page?

when the teams are this close, it's going to come down to adjustments. Does anyone really trust Avery to outcoach Phil Jackson? Byron Scott maybe. Gregg Popovich maybe. Rick Adelman, George Karl, Mike Dan & Tony, Jerry Sloan maybe. But i do not relish seeing us against a zen master team in the first round.
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Old 04-12-2008, 02:40 AM   #74
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p.s. the mvp isn't announced until the end of the first round, right? i really hope it isn't leaked, because if we're playing the 2 seed, that means there's a good chance we're matched against the runner up in the mvp race. And I would hate to have to deal with Kobe or CP having that added impetus.
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Old 04-12-2008, 08:10 AM   #75
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I wish we could drop to 8th seed. At 7th seed we have probably the toughest path to the WC Finals of any team. Just look....

7th seed will most likely face either Spurs or Lakers in the First Round. No easy task by any means. And If we win that series, WE HAVE TO MOST LIKELY FACE THE OTHER TEAM IN THE SECOND ROUND! Unless the Suns are able to beat the 3 seed. Then we'd probably have to face the Hornets/Jazz/Rockets, whoever survives of those 3 in the WCF. I feel the WCF matchup is winable, if we can only get there.

But if you're 8th seed, your path is the Hornets 1st round, then Jazz or Rockets in the 2nd round. I would take that any day of the week over the 7th seed path.

So as it stands now one of these 4 teams Hornets, Rockets, Jazz, Nuggets are guarenteed to be in the WCF. And we have to be the one team left standing out of Spurs, Lakers and Suns to get there. So unfair. We have a 2 game lead over Denver with 3 games to go, we need to lose the rest of our games and hope they win the rest of theirs!

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Old 04-12-2008, 10:08 AM   #76
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We dont need to tank.. we need the momentum. Most important thing for any team to have going into this year's playoffs. But.. it would most definitely help if we win the rest of our games, Spurs lose the rest of theirs, Hornets lose enough to get to 2nd, Lakers win the rest of theirs, and the Rockets win the rest of thiers. Then it all changes up AND we have momentum. There is still time for things to be favorable going into the playoffs in terms of matchups without tanking. .... We tank and watch the Lakers pull the first seed.
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:09 AM   #77
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why has only one person mentioned phil jackson on this whole page?

when the teams are this close, it's going to come down to adjustments. Does anyone really trust Avery to outcoach Phil Jackson? Byron Scott maybe. Gregg Popovich maybe. Rick Adelman, George Karl, Mike Dan & Tony, Jerry Sloan maybe. But i do not relish seeing us against a zen master team in the first round.
In terms of coaching, I do not relish facing any team out west....
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:34 AM   #78
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The way I am predicting things to go down... in a perfect yet somewhat realistic world.

Regular Season Standings
LAL - 57-25
NOH - 57-25
HOU - 56-26
UTA - 54-28
SAS - 55-27
PHX - 54-28
DAL - 53-29
GSW - 50-32

DEN - 49-33 - OUT

Round 1

LAL
GSW

NOH
DAS

HOU
PHX

SAS
UTA


Semi-Conference Finals
LAL
UTA

DAL
PHX

Conference Finals
UTA
DAL


But of course it would be quite nice I think if the Warriors somehow pulled another 1st round upset, then it would either be GSW or UTA in the conference finals . I dont really have doubt that we will win against PHX (and HOU for that matter). .. If the seedings happen as I predict they will then we will have a better track to the finals than if we tank.

Thennnn ... we play the Pistons or Wizards.. because the Wizards are going to beat Boston in the second round. Watch... It... Happen.

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Old 04-12-2008, 10:55 AM   #79
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I don't think the Mavs should fear the Lakers. My reasoning goes back to the Hollinger concept regarding MoV. I am beginning to resonate with his idea. If you accept his premise then the Mavs and Lakers are pretty evenly matched. Up to this point the ball has bounced in the Lakers' direction and I think that means it will start going the opposite way in a 7-game series.
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Lakers are a lot more scary than the Hornets. Hornets may be a heck of a team but they have very little experience on the floor and I think we match up well with them. Dirk would eat West/Peja alive and if Howard could have a couple of good games this team could really get the Hornets on their heels and if you get a team with little experience on their heels you can gain the advantage.

I'm confident we could get the Lakers too, but the whole Lakers squad is as veteran as they get and would fight tooth and nail the whole series. With Bynum/Gasol/Odom out there our lack of depth at the 3/4/5 would be immediately apparent.
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