Dallas Cowboys 2013

[dalmations202]

So we basically got lots of good guys, lots of good spin. Everyone at Valley Ranch is happy.

they still don't have the offensive line fixed. they still don't have the defensive line fixed.

They will still lose because the trenches are porous, and when the injuries happen they will have a built in excuse.

Welcome to the world of the Dallas Cowboys.

** Typical Jerry Draft -- Got three all everything wide receivers, two all everything TE's, and Two excellent running backs with an all-pro QB who is laying flat on his back because the line had major holes in it. Then when the defense needs a stop -- teams just gut them because they have no meat in the middle.

[Kirobaito]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

they still don't have the offensive line fixed. they still don't have the defensive line fixed.

They will still lose because the trenches are porous, and when the injuries happen they will have a built in excuse.

To be fair, when you have three or four crappy offensive linemen and no salary cap room, it's tough to believe that they'll be able to fix the line in one offseason.

But you did draft a new center, whose intelligence (he graduated with a degree in engineering!) will hopefully help create the cohesion and security necessary. Livings is at least passable at left guard. And I think most people now assume that there's a wink-wink deal in place June 1st for Tyson Clabo or Eric Winston to come play right tackle.

So that's two new offensive linemen. Right guard would be the only area of massive concern, and you have a ton of competition right now for that spot, from Costa, Bernadeau, Arkin, and Leary. Hopefully one of them will step up.

The only pick I take huge issue with is Escobar, because he's the same type of player as Hanna (all catch, no-block). The players around there you could have taken were Jonathan Hankins, who a lot of people saw as consistently struggling with weight issues. Unless you wanted to reach for Bennie Logan (who I wouldn't have had a problem with), there wasn't a DT available there. But Hankins is the only 1-tech around there, as Logan is a Hatcher/Ratliff 3-tech.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Kirobaito

To be fair, when you have three or four crappy offensive linemen and no salary cap room, it's tough to believe that they'll be able to fix the line in one offseason.

But you did draft a new center, whose intelligence (he graduated with a degree in engineering!) will hopefully help create the cohesion and security necessary. Livings is at least passable at left guard. And I think most people now assume that there's a wink-wink deal in place June 1st for Tyson Clabo or Eric Winston to come play right tackle.

So that's two new offensive linemen. Right guard would be the only area of massive concern, and you have a ton of competition right now for that spot, from Costa, Bernadeau, Arkin, and Leary. Hopefully one of them will step up.

The only pick I take huge issue with is Escobar, because he's the same type of player as Hanna (all catch, no-block). The players around there you could have taken were Jonathan Hankins, who a lot of people saw as consistently struggling with weight issues. Unless you wanted to reach for Bennie Logan (who I wouldn't have had a problem with), there wasn't a DT available there. But Hankins is the only 1-tech around there, as Logan is a Hatcher/Ratliff 3-tech.

To be fair......Dallas should have taken Floyd at 18, then Frederick at 47 and then Jessee Williams, or John Jenkins, or Barrett Jones, or Dallas Thomas, or Brian Winters or Brian Schwenke, or pick the lineman.

Instead we have the Center that could have been taken a round later, no DT, and a 3rd string TE, and a WR that might end up being a 3rd or 4th WR.

Floyd starts and rotates with Ratliff and Hatcher.
The OL will probably be starting mid season.
a 1 tech ---- that can hold the line in short yardage at least.

just typical Jerry draft

[saclare]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

To be fair......Dallas should have taken Floyd at 18, then Frederick at 47 and then Jessee Williams, or John Jenkins, or Barrett Jones, or Dallas Thomas, or Brian Winters or Brian Schwenke, or pick the lineman.

Instead we have the Center that could have been taken a round later, no DT, and a 3rd string TE, and a WR that might end up being a 3rd or 4th WR.

Floyd starts and rotates with Ratliff and Hatcher.
The OL will probably be starting mid season.
a 1 tech ---- that can hold the line in short yardage at least.

just typical Jerry draft

Floyd wouldn't start over Ratliff. Kiffin was on the Fan explaining that while he was a great player, we would have been drafting depth at 18 (not what you want out of a first round pick). Trust me, I was all over Floyd before listening to what your defensive coordinator has to say about it.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by saclare

Floyd wouldn't start over Ratliff. Kiffin was on the Fan explaining that while he was a great player, we would have been drafting depth at 18 (not what you want out of a first round pick). Trust me, I was all over Floyd before listening to what your defensive coordinator has to say about it.

So a guy that the board (that he had massive input into) has rated as the 7th best prospect wouldn't start over a 7th rounder who is over 30 and coming off injury plagued years.


That my friend sounds like massive spin to me.

Maybe I am wrong, but we will just have to see how they play this year to prove it to me.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

So a guy that the board (that he had massive input into) has rated as the 7th best prospect wouldn't start over a 7th rounder who is over 30 and coming off injury plagued years.


That my friend sounds like massive spin to me.

Maybe I am wrong, but we will just have to see how they play this year to prove it to me.

That or they rather accumulate more picks and go elsewhere since they have a very similar player in Ratliff. Maybe I am wrong to say he wouldn't start. But a heathy Ratliff is a damn good player.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by saclare

That or they rather accumulate more picks and go elsewhere since they have a very similar player in Ratliff. Maybe I am wrong to say he wouldn't start. But a heathy Ratliff is a damn good player.

A 28 year old healthy Ratliff was a very good player. A pro-bowl type.

If they weren't going to draft him -- why did they put him on the board there though? I just don't understand their drafting philosophy.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Kirobaito

To be fair, when you have three or four crappy offensive linemen and no salary cap room, it's tough to believe that they'll be able to fix the line in one offseason.

But you did draft a new center, whose intelligence (he graduated with a degree in engineering!) will hopefully help create the cohesion and security necessary. Livings is at least passable at left guard. And I think most people now assume that there's a wink-wink deal in place June 1st for Tyson Clabo or Eric Winston to come play right tackle.

So that's two new offensive linemen. Right guard would be the only area of massive concern, and you have a ton of competition right now for that spot, from Costa, Bernadeau, Arkin, and Leary. Hopefully one of them will step up.

The only pick I take huge issue with is Escobar, because he's the same type of player as Hanna (all catch, no-block). The players around there you could have taken were Jonathan Hankins, who a lot of people saw as consistently struggling with weight issues. Unless you wanted to reach for Bennie Logan (who I wouldn't have had a problem with), there wasn't a DT available there. But Hankins is the only 1-tech around there, as Logan is a Hatcher/Ratliff 3-tech.

I'm not sold to the notion that Frederick is set-in-stone as the center. The guy has flexibility to move to guard and I believe Costa will be a net positive to the line since he will be healthy for once. At guard, you then have Frederick, Bernadeau, Livings, and Arkin. I'd say that's not terrible depth on the interior line.

I'll reiterate, the first two picks of this draft were not great in terms of value and over reaching. However, I do think they will be positive contributors to the team. I'm not defending the FO here though. My guess is that they were trying like hell to trade out further but ran out of time and panic picked their guy. I think they are fully aware they could have gotten both players later than they did...

Edit: not to forget, they most likely are going to do something with Free, and I hope that is to cut him not only for the sake of saving some cap room, but also since there are serviceable veteran tackles out there to be had at a much cheaper price.