Cheap shot bowen finally acknowleged by the league.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Big Shot Rob

No--your last sentence is the twisted logic.

Whether any of you admit it or not--Cuban would give his right nut to have Bowen on the Mav team--and so would the people engaged in this petty back and forth "debate."

Being crticial of someone that you would seek to become a member of your team if that possibility were to exist is hypocritical.

BigShot, if Bowen was on the mavs, sticking his foot under your favorite players, you'd be hating on him just as much as everyone else is hating on him now. The first time Parker came up lame and had to miss a few weeks because of Bowen's "tight" defense, you'd be calling for some kind of league review. The first time Ginobli caught a foot in the face, you'd be screaming "dirty play!" and calling for a suspension.

[MavKikiNYC]

Originally Posted by FINtastic

Mav Kiki is a she? Or are we pulling a Bill Parcells circa 1996 here?

Fin, I can only surmise that someone is projecting his/her own pre-operative gender identity issues onto other posters.

Either that or (s)he's just engaging in the widely observed practice within the gay community of using feminine pronouns to refer to superlative examples of masculinity whom (s)he admires and/or wishes (impossibly) to emulate.

Ain't that right, gurrrlfrend? <snap, snap, snap>

[Thespiralgoeson]

Kiki, I can understand where you're coming from, but I'm still utterly convinced that Bowen is a dirty player. I just don't buy at all that other players are just "frustrated" by his defense because he's just that damn good, or that he's "in their heads." There are other great defenders in this league, not a lot, but a few. Yet, this kind of shit only seems to happen with Bruce Bowen, nobody else. Not even a guy like Ron Artest. Seriously, Ben Wallace is a 4-time defensive player of the year, yet I can't remember any player calling him out like Bowen has been, let alone the countless ones that say so of Bowen. You know, guys like Doug Christie and Rick Fox were great perimeter defenders too. I don't ever recall hearing other players accusing them of the things Bowen is accused of. If one player calls him dirty, okay, maybe he's just a prima donna jumpshooter as you say. But many, many, many players and coaches have called this guy out. Isiah may be punk, but no moreso than Bruce Bowen. Hell, Zeke may have ruined the Knicks for years, but at least he isn't physically endangering people on the court. You could jeapordize someone's career sticking your feet under them like that.

[MavKikiNYC]

Originally Posted by MavKikiNYC

I tend to agree. The true instigator here is Thomas. For all Stern's efforts to clean up the league and to avoid another brawl, Thomas mouths off to try to motivate the hand-picked players who were quitting on him. The next time Thomas pops off to a player, they should crack his dam*ed jaw.

Stern totally dropped the ball here; he could've easily edged Thomas toward the door, and the NYKs toward respectability a little sooner by issuing Thomas a 5-10 game suspension. All Dolan needs is one more reason, one more degree of PR cover, and the NYKs and the NBA could be rid of the blight that is Zeke forever.

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Kiki, are you seriously advocating that Stern get involved in franchise politics, and that he should do something to help remove Isaiah from the Knicks?

Stern gets a reprieve.

Rare to get a second opportunity, David, so strap up your testicle, and pull the trigger. You have an opportunity here to force the brain-dead owner of the NYKs into moving toward replacing Thomas.

Growing sentiment on NYK-blogs that this pulls Thomas under, and that he is deserving of dismissal.

20 game suspension for Thomas, and require Dolan to hire a real GM to start cleaning up this mess.

[Big Shot Rob]

I have to admit the truth.

Truth is...

If Bowen played for another team--I would be bitching about him as much as anyone else.

Even as a Spurs fan--I am troubled by the fact that an inordinate amount of players are getting hurt by Bowen.

The debate tends to get focused on whether Bowen is intentionally trying to hurt opposing players--i.e., is he a dirty player.

I don't think that's the correct question.

Whether he intends to hurt players or not--the fact remains that players are getting hurt by his tactics. That fact alone--regardless of his intent--troubles me and after much reflection, can no longer defend Bowen's tactics. I admit--something is just not right. Whether he is an intentionally dirty player, or is reckless--however you want to label his tactics--the fact that it seems like alot of people are getting hurt by him should make everyone pause and be concerned--and that includes Spurs fans.

I came around to this conclusion after much soul searching. I myself have suffered constant pain for many years--and have had many surgeries. Living in constant pain changes your life.

I believe that my previous defense of Bowen may in fact have been hypocritical in light of my own experience as a chronic pain sufferer.

[MavKikiNYC]

BSR, you still suck.

The point is that the brouhaha about Bowen's play on Francis wasn't about Bowen's play on Francis--it was about Zeke trying to make his team fight.

It took a couple of weeks, but he finally got what he wanted.

[dude1394]

Bowen has been called out for years, I applaud zeke doing something to bring attention to it. That he got advantage as well I don't care about. Bowen (and others) need to make damn sure they aren't pulling that crap. Anthony Johnson did the same thing but HE'S the one who got hurt.

Keep your damn feet out from under jump-shooters on the perimeter.

[MavKikiNYC]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Bowen has been called out for years, I applaud zeke doing something to bring attention to it. That he got advantage as well I don't care about. Bowen (and others) need to make damn sure they aren't pulling that crap. Anthony Johnson did the same thing but HE'S the one who got hurt.

Keep your damn feet out from under jump-shooters on the perimeter.

Uhh....your last name isn't Dolan by chance, is it?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by MavKikiNYC

Uhh....your last name isn't Dolan by chance, is it?

Hey just because he's an idiot doesn't mean he can't be correct about something. And bowen sticking his feet under jump-shooters is a very dangerous tactic that needs to be stopped immediately. He should have already been warned if the nba weren't so stupid about this kind of stuff.

[FINtastic]

Isiah may be a complete idiot, but that doesn't make Bruce Bowen any less dirty.