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Old 05-17-2009, 09:51 PM   #1
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Well...I guess I'll have too...especially if I actually get it.

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Today’s episode: Karen Nielsen, 66, of Edmonton, has waited 2 years and counting to replace her right hip.
To be fair, Canada’s free health care system did replace her left hip last year, so she is halfway there.
Nielsen told the Edmonton Sun: “I’m in intense pain, I live alone. How can they say this is elective surgery when someone is in pain 24-7 and can’t take care of themselves?”
She is lucky. She’s 66 and they are still considering her for hip surgery.
Not so Bill Murray of Alberta.
The Wall Street Journal reported: “Murray waited in pain for more than a year to see a specialist for his arthritic hip. The specialist recommended a Birmingham hip resurfacing surgery (a state-of-the-art procedure that gives better results than basic hip replacement) as the best medical option. But government bureaucrats determined that Mr. Murray, who was 57, was ‘too old’ to enjoy the benefits of this procedure and said no. In the end, he was also denied the opportunity to pay for the procedure himself in Alberta. He’s heading to court claiming a violation of Charter rights as well.”
You can be darned sure that no one told Ted Kennedy last year he was too old to enjoy his brain surgery. He was 76 at the time.
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Surely you believe that we Americans can do it better than everyone else...don't you? After all, you enjoy that free military defense, don't you?
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Old 05-18-2009, 02:34 AM   #3
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I know our health care system doesn't work, but socialized health care is a terrible idea. I like the Libertarian Party's stance; make ALL medical expenses tax-deductible.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:25 AM   #4
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Surely you believe that we Americans can do it better than everyone else...don't you? After all, you enjoy that free military defense, don't you?
We already have one free health-care system that is going broke (medicare) and we are going to add the rest of the population to it.

Yea...smart..
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Surely you believe that we Americans can do it better than everyone else...don't you? After all, you enjoy that free military defense, don't you?
yeah. and education. and amtrak. and vacations for congressmen.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:05 AM   #6
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We have socialize medicine today.

We also have private insurance in many instances.

I have personally benefitted from both.

I've been broke, heck I was broke with no insurance when both of my kids were born. Guess what, the hospital did a great job of taking care of my wife and the birth of both of my sons...I was UNinsured at the time.

I have also moved on a served in the military and received Military Medical care for myself and my family. It was good...provided you like waiting endlessly and the bed manner was not always the best...but medically they got the job done.

Now, i'm with a company that has insurance, and my family and I have recieved quality medical care...with choices.

Sometimes, I wonder if all this "Socialized Medicine" is simply a scare tactic used by the left. How much more coverage do they want to tax people with?

If you want to do something pro-active, why not provide a tax break for people who pass a yearly physical? Make it a genourous tax break...how about a $5000 yearly deduction if you pass the physical. Use a military standards...how about a yearly PT-Test.

By the way, I would most likely fail this test today...but you better believe if it was an option...I would find that extra motivation to get to that fitness level. Allow people who qualify for this deduction to also take a tax credit for certain fitness purchases (Gym Memberships, fitness equipment, etc...) Again, to get these credits, one would have to actually pass a Health Exam/PT - Test.

Healthy people are a lower health risk, thus they cost the system less money in the long run.

Heck, one could push this out and provide tax deductions/credits for purchasing certain health foods...you know all those 'Green Organic foods' the real expensive stuff that's a pain in the rear to plan/organize/budget for in order to maintain a healthy lifestyle.

So what do you say...are tax breaks for a healthy lifestyle a possible solution that Republicans and Democrats could agree on?
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wow.. that sounds soooo commie!


FWIW, my wife had my first daughter while i was unemployed (and finishing off my dissertation) and at the time we paid a little less than $600/month to "cobra" our health insurance from her previous job.

she ended up having serious complications with the pregnancy, and was mostly in the hospital for 6 weeks, and had the baby at only 28 weeks (40 weeks is "full term") and 2 pounds, so my daughter was in the neo-natal intensive care unit for almost two months.

We had an HMO through Kaiser --- and ended up paying about $100 bucks in co-pays for whothehellknowshowmuch in total medical bills (We never received bills-- but it had to be well into six-digits territory)

$600 bucks/month seemed DAMNED expensive at the time--- and ended up being the best money we have ever spent.
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point is... we had an HMO, (you know with the rationing and lines and all the crap that everyone complains about)... but when push came to shove it worked pretty damn well.
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A friend of mine is Dr. in a rural part of germany. I used to ask him, how he got to his holiday destination. Glaxo or Bayer, Doc ?

Both: laughter...

OT, but as a funny sidenote.
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I have also moved on a served in the military and received Military Medical care for myself and my family. It was good...provided you like waiting endlessly and the bed manner was not always the best...but medically they got the job done.
I was i nthe Army for almost 9yrs. The only thing they did well was Dental. The Medical plan was to basicly give you 500mg of Motrin and tell you to get to work. I went to the ER for torn tendons in my tricep, and got a 3wk "no lifting" profile. I showed up at PT in the morning, and was told I still had to goto Sick Call and see OUR PA. You know, that officer who got 6months of medical training, vs the ER doctor, who is actually a MEDICAL DOCTOR! The PA determined I needed only a 1wk profile. And any other times you went in, you got seen by the Medics, those losers who got 8wks of training, who gave a shit about their job and you, and they got to determine if you were worthy of seeing the PA. Then when you did get a profile, you got treated like shit by your supervisors for being hurt. It was always a catch-22, you took it easy so you didn't get hurt, you got screamed at, and if you pushed 100% and got hurt, you got screamed at for getting hurt. And for the record, I tore the tendons in by both my tri's doing PT. Something about doing several hundred PUs and not giving up, even after muscle-failure, can really tear you up.


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If you want to do something pro-active, why not provide a tax break for people who pass a yearly physical? Make it a genourous tax break...how about a $5000 yearly deduction if you pass the physical. Use a military standards...how about a yearly PT-Test.

By the way, I would most likely fail this test today...but you better believe if it was an option...I would find that extra motivation to get to that fitness level. Allow people who qualify for this deduction to also take a tax credit for certain fitness purchases (Gym Memberships, fitness equipment, etc...) Again, to get these credits, one would have to actually pass a Health Exam/PT - Test.

Healthy people are a lower health risk, thus they cost the system less money in the long run.

Heck, one could push this out and provide tax deductions/credits for purchasing certain health foods...you know all those 'Green Organic foods' the real expensive stuff that's a pain in the rear to plan/organize/budget for in order to maintain a healthy lifestyle.

So what do you say...are tax breaks for a healthy lifestyle a possible solution that Republicans and Democrats could agree on?
I couldn't pass a PT test either, but I think that could be a good idea. Problem would be the grading. Just like it varied in the slacker (support) units, how could it be consistent and fair? I think they should just do a body-fat index, and then have an acceptable height/weight formula. If you meet them, you pass. Plus the PT standards for the females was WAY OFF!!
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I was i nthe Army for almost 9yrs. The only thing they did well was Dental. The Medical plan was to basicly give you 500mg of Motrin and tell you to get to work. I went to the ER for torn tendons in my tricep, and got a 3wk "no lifting" profile. I showed up at PT in the morning, and was told I still had to goto Sick Call and see OUR PA. You know, that officer who got 6months of medical training, vs the ER doctor, who is actually a MEDICAL DOCTOR! The PA determined I needed only a 1wk profile. And any other times you went in, you got seen by the Medics, those losers who got 8wks of training, who gave a shit about their job and you, and they got to determine if you were worthy of seeing the PA. Then when you did get a profile, you got treated like shit by your supervisors for being hurt. It was always a catch-22, you took it easy so you didn't get hurt, you got screamed at, and if you pushed 100% and got hurt, you got screamed at for getting hurt. And for the record, I tore the tendons in by both my tri's doing PT. Something about doing several hundred PUs and not giving up, even after muscle-failure, can really tear you up.




I couldn't pass a PT test either, but I think that could be a good idea. Problem would be the grading. Just like it varied in the slacker (support) units, how could it be consistent and fair? I think they should just do a body-fat index, and then have an acceptable height/weight formula. If you meet them, you pass. Plus the PT standards for the females was WAY OFF!!

I hear you as it relates to sick-call, the PA and all the military politics!!! That brings back some serious memories!!!

but I have to give em props for taking care of my family. My wife and kids didn't have to go through Company Sick-Call procedures and outside of waiting FOREVER, once they got to the doctor, they received quality care.

But again, I hear you when it comes to having to go on sick-call and then the catch 22 for even saying you feel sick, or complaining about this nagging injury or that nagging pain. If you want to get promoted, you have to work through the pain...yada yada...

To me, the military medical plan is as close to what we can expect from a 100% socialized medical plan...and I'll be the first to say, I am AGAINST this plan!!!

As for the Health standard...I like a mix of a Health exam in which the body fat/mass aspect is played into it, along with some type of a PT Test that can help to measure someone's health and fitness.

Keep in mind, that this would be optional...if they don't want the tax break they can elect to not participate. There's no penalty for not being healthy ( in tax terms ) but hey, if one is motivated by tax savings, then a tax break could help to motivate quite a few people to get rid of the excess bulge.

Speaking for myself, I would have to lose around 60 pounds to get to where I may qualify as healthy...I would work my arse off to lose the weight and stay healthy if it meant that I could cut some serious taxes. I'm talking Thousands of dollars, you know a REAL incentive!!!

By the way, thank you for your service to the country!!! Thank you for our freedom, from one veteran to another, GREAT JOB!!!
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