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[XERXES]

An article on Insider today suggests the Mavs panicked when Nash signed with PHX and overpaid Daniels to stay. They say that with the League getting into "trade season," and with Terry and Armstrong to run the point, that Daniels is expendable and will be on the trading block.

[EricaLubarsky]

A) can Daniels be traded after being signed with the MLE?
B) He's our team leader in steals (8th in the league), and he is one of the top most efficient scorers on the team. Is he expendable and do we really need anything in trades?

[Poindexter Einstein]

a - yes
b - no and no

[Eman]

We did not overpay for Daniels......
He has been injured and is starting to play better.....remember, he had back to back 30 point games towards the end of last year.

It's his second year and he has tons of potential.....but he's not a point guard.

If he can develop a better shot, we trade stack for whatever deficiency "Insider" thinks we have!

[Dirkenstien]

If you are willing to trade a solid contributer with a lot of upside like Daniels, you have to know exactly what you are getting back in return. As of right now, there are no plausible trades that could occur where we would know exactly what we were getting. Perhaps when further down the line, if Kidd can show that he is infact healthy and can still play at a high level, we may reach that level of certainty and pull the trigger on something. As of right now however, I would say no, Daniels is not expendable.

[kg_veteran]

Marquis Daniels COULD be traded -- literally -- tomorrow.

That said, the Mavs aren't trading him. As dude said, if the Mavs deal anybody, it will be Stackhouse. And honestly, I don't think they'll deal him unless a can't miss deal comes along.

Alan Henderson has proven to be adequate at backup PF, so there's not a huge need there. Center is deep with a solid starter. The point guard situation will work itself out. Why would we deal the excess depth at the wing positions? Only one of two reasons. 1) Stackhouse becomes an attitude problem, or 2) a can't miss deal to improve the team comes up. No. 1 is always a possibility, but No. 2 doesn't seem likely.

[seelenjaeger]

Well, given what record Quis had going into the negotiations the Mavs definately overpaid on him.

At camp time, it seemed to be Josh Howard to be the odd man out, now with how things developed, it pretty much looks like Quis is on the short end of it atm.

Not too sure the Mavs will jump on anything soon though, unless they get an unique offer (which they won´t).

MLE for Quis might be the right price overall for his talent, at the moment when he signed he was overpaid.

[grndmstr_c]

It's too early to say whether we overpaid for Quis. The guy hasn't been healthy all year, and if he can come close to his performances at the end of last year when his health picks up I'd say he'll easily have been worth an MLE salary.

[seelenjaeger]

Oh, just tossing up a trade idea.

Let´s say you ...

Package Marquis Daniels, one out of Jason Terry / Jerry Stackhouse, and Devin Harris ...

and send them to Denver

in exchange for

Andre Miller, Nene, and Nikoloz Tskitishvili

would you do it?

If it´s Quis, Stack and Devin for Andre, Nene and Skeeta I might bite.

[DubOverdose]

I vote Stackhouse for PJ Brown

[endtroducing]

no, I wouldn't do the Denver trade. what a great idea, make a Western Conference rival a legit team!

[Speedy]

Originally posted by: endtroducing
no, I wouldn't do the Denver trade. what a great idea, make a Western Conference rival a legit team!

Cuban did it for Phoenix. Why not get something in return this time?[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[seelenjaeger]

Actually we were a key part for Denver, Phoenix, Seattle, Washington and Boston.

[Evilmav2]

Originally posted by: XERXES
An article on Insider today suggests the Mavs panicked when Nash signed with PHX and overpaid Daniels to stay. They say that with the League getting into "trade season," and with Terry and Armstrong to run the point, that Daniels is expendable and will be on the trading block.

Here's the article:

ESPN NBA Insider - 12/14/04

By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider

General managers, start your engines. Players, keep your bags packed. After six weeks of pretty intense trade rumors, the gloves come off Wednesday.

Dec. 15 marks the day both free agents who signed contracts this summer and NBA rookies are eligible to be traded. Those players represent nearly a quarter of the players in the league. That explains why doing deals before Wednesday was a little bit difficult.

"Like a lot of teams, we're sitting back with Dec. 15 around the corner, which, for a lot of players, represents a lot more names that can come into the mix," Heat GM Randy Pfund said over the weekend.

It's ironic, really. This summer, the same guys about to go on the trading block were supposed to be the guys who would help put their new teams over the top.

Best-laid plans ...

How can things go so wrong, so quickly? And why do teams think a player will play any differently with a change of scenery?

Today, Insider looks at 10 guys who will be eligible to be traded beginning Wednesday who might be wearing a new uniform by the Feb. 24 trade deadline.

Brent Barry, G, Spurs
Remember all those preseason stories claiming Barry was the missing piece to the Spurs' championship aspirations? Someone forgot to tell Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich. Barry's minutes have been dwindling by the week. Over his last five games he's averaged just 11 mpg and 2.6 ppg. What's the problem?

His 3-point shot has been cold as ice (28 percent this year to 45 percent last year). Without his shooting, Barry can be a liability. His defense is not up to Popovich's standards, and the Spurs haven't needed Barry to play backup point thanks to a terrific start by rookie Beno Udrih. With so many teams in need of a veteran shooter, will the Spurs cut their losses while Barry has trade value? He turns 33 on Dec. 31. His stock won't stay high forever.

Brent might not be the only Barry on the move. His brother, Jon, isn't getting minutes for the Hawks and has some value around the league.

Marcus Camby, C, Nuggets
There has been plenty of Nene trade talk going around, but on one level it makes absolutely no sense for Denver. Aren't the Nuggets better off keeping Nene, playing him at center and trying to trade Camby? While Camby is a better rebounder and shotblocker, he's also eight years older than Nene, has a history of injury problems and makes about $6 million more.

Camby pines for a return to New York. The Knicks have a plethora of guards they could give to Denver to fill that gaping hole at the two. The Sonics, Blazers and Grizzlies are other teams that could use a big man like Camby. And don't forget the Nets. If the Nuggets do make a play for Jason Kidd, Camby will be one of the players, along with Andre Miller, that would have to be included to make the deal work financially.

Marquis Daniels, G, Mavericks
Mark Cuban and the Mavs might have overreacted a bit this summer when they threw $37 million at Daniels, who went undrafted in 2003, after a brilliant end to his rookie season. The Mavs had just lost Steve Nash to Phoenix and wanted to stop the bleeding, especially if they couldn't find another point guard.

Since then, they have acquired Jason Terry and Darrell Armstrong, leaving Daniels only about 22 minutes a night. His numbers haven't been bad (8.8 ppg, 3 apg in his last five games), but they aren't exactly what he did toward the end of last season, either. If the Mavs try to make a run at Kidd, or another veteran point guard, Daniels could be the bait.

Quentin Richardson, G, Suns
Richardson was really the fourth option for the Suns in free agency. After landing Nash, they spent time wooing Hedo Turkoglu, Manu Ginobili and Mehmet Okur. When Turkolgu bolted for Orlando and it became clear that Ginobili and Okur wanted too much money, the Suns settled on Richardson.

The team believed the Clippers would match their relatively modest offer – modest for last summer, anyway – and were surprised when they didn't. Over the course of the summer, there were a number of trade rumors linked to Shawn Marion and Joe Johnson, but neither reached fruition.\

It turns out Richardson was money well spent. He's been fantastic of late and plays a big role on the team with the best record in the league. So why trade him?

The thinking goes that once the Suns reach the postseason, the days of endless running will end. They'll need a bigger post presence than Amare Stoudemire and don't have many good options. If they could land a player like Nene or Samuel Dalembert for Richardson, it would be a tough deal to decline. Then again, the Suns could very well stick with what's working right now. Richardson plays an important role on the team – one slight change in chemistry could wreck things for the Suns. They don't want that to happen.

Jamal Crawford, G, Knicks
Isiah Thomas loves Crawford. On July 1, when free agency began, Thomas was the first and only GM to call Crawford. He was willing to bid against himself, constantly ramping up the dollar signs until he eventually paid Crawford $20 million more than what the Bulls or anyone else was offering. In turn, Crawford loves Isiah, a critical attribute for any player who plays under Isiah (just ask Shandon Anderson).

So why is Crawford on this list? Because Isiah can't sit still while his team wallows in mediocrity. He has big ideas of landing another superstar like Vince Carter and his current offers – with players like Nazr Mohammed and Tim Thomas – are getting him nowhere. Crawford is the one young player on his team with some trade value. Would he be willing to sacrifice him to bring another star in the Garden? So far the answer has been no. But, as Isiah gets more desperate to make a deal, who knows?

Steve Smith, G, Bobcats
The Bobcats signed Smith to be a mentor to one of the youngest teams in the league. But that isn't the whole story. Last summer, most GMs were convinced Smith was teetering on retirment. With sore knees and plenty of wear and tear, it wasn't like GMs were beating down his door. Smith claims he chose the Bobcats, but the truth is the Bobcats also chose him.

Smith has been great in Charlotte, averaging a surprising 22 mpg, and shooting a sizzling 44 percent from the 3-point arc. You think a team with championship aspirations – a team like the Heat, Pistons or even the Nuggets – wouldn't like some of that? GM and head coach Bernie Bickerstaff claims he'll let Smith go if that's what the veteran wants to do. It should be a tough choice for Smith. He can play big minutes on a bad team, or play a smaller role on a good one. If a team offers the right deal, Bickerstaff, who is building for the future, might have no choice but to say yes.

ROOKIES

Luke Jackson, G, Cavs
Jackson was one of the highest risers in the draft last summer. After scouts routinely predicted most of the year that Jackson would be a bubble first-round pick, he rocketed up the charts after a series of strong workouts and landed in Cleveland with the 10th pick. The book on Jackson said he was one of the few players in the draft that would be able to come in and immediately provide a team with solid outside shooting and a mature offensive game.

The Cavs need a solid outside shooter and another perimeter scoring option, but so far Jackson hasn't seen the light of day. With the Cavs taking their pursuit of the playoffs very seriously this year, it looks like Jackson might not get off the bench. While the team is still high on him, if he could be used to draw in a veteran shooter like Michael Redd, the team would jump at a deal.

Redd has been telling people close to him he wants to sign with the Cavs this summer when he hits restricted free agency. The Cavs will have the cash to do it, and the Bucks will have few resources to stop him. If the Cavs offered Jackson and Anderson Varejao, another rookie the Bucks are high on, would the Bucks bite? It might be their only legit shot to get something of value for Redd before he leaves.

Ben Gordon, G, Bulls
No rookie has been tougher to get a read on than Gordon. One minute he looks like the second coming of Allen Iverson. The next night he's going 0-for-7 from the field. Luckily for the Bulls, his good games are coming closer together. When he's been on lately, the Bulls have found that winning comes much easier. So why dump Gordon now?

The issue with Gordon is this: He's not a great fit in the Bulls backcourt with Kirk Hinrich. He needs to be on the floor with a big point guard or he needs to make the transition from a 'two' to a 'one'. Neither is likely to happen as long as Hinrich is around. Some Bulls fans might suggest Hinrich be shipped out instead, but that's probably not going to happen on John Paxson's watch.

The likelihood of a Gordon trade is pretty slim, but there are several teams that really covet him. If Paxson could package him with Eddy Curry and get a legit, young All-Star in return, it might be something the Bulls would have to consider. It's tough to win with rookies, and the Bulls have six on their roster right now. If Paxson is serious about changing the culture of losing in Chicago, he at least has to listen.

Sebastian Telfair, PG, Blazers
Telfair is starting to get some playing time in Portland, and he's showing he can fly on the fast break and get to the line just about whenever he wants to. The shooting is atrocious and the turnovers are bad, but scouts who liked him in the draft knew that before he was selected.

Telfair has been mentioned as possible bait in a Jason Kidd trade, either directly to Portland or as part of a three-way. If the Nets are going to trade Kidd, they need to replace him with a young point guard. Telfair is from Brooklyn, and he'd sell tickets ... if he pans out. Right now that's still a huge if, but the Nets might be willing to gamble.

Josh Childress, G/F, Hawks
The Hawks passed on Luol Deng and Andre Iguodala to get Childress, and so far the results have been unimpressive. Childress began the season in the starting lineup but was quickly sent to the bench. Lately, the Hawks' other first-round pick, high school phenom Josh Smith, has been getting the important minutes.

It might be foolish to dump Childress now, however. He has a history of starting slowly at both the college and high school levels, and his stock right now is at rock bottom. Still, if you believe other GMs around the league who are doing business with the Hawks, he's available.

Rumor Central

Time for Wizards to trade Kwame?

Hawks Dec. 14 - Kwame Brown has been a complete nonfactor in the Wizards hot start. After missing the start of the season with an injury, he's averaging just 6 ppg and 1.6 rpg.

After a promising third season, Brown is struggling to get with the program. He got in head coach Eddie Jordan's doghouse this week when he refused to enter a game after a timeout. That led to a two-game suspension, along with the promise his name would immediately find its way back on the trading block.

The prospects of getting Brown in a trade have other GMs drooling. He's a 7-foot, 270-pound, 22-year-old athletic big man who is slowly becoming a center.

The Sonics, Raptors, Knicks and Hawks have shown interest ESPN Insider Chad Ford reports. If the Wizards could land a top-flight small forward and defensive-minded big in return, it seems like it would be the perfect opportunity to cash in and make a run in the East.


Marcus Camby

Dec. 14 - Camby just signed a long-term extension with the Nuggets last summer, but his heart belongs to the Knicks, he told the New York Post.

Camby said he and Timberwolves forward Latrell Sprewell, who can be a free agent next summer, Marcus Camby wants another crack at New York.

"Myself, I wish I was still here," Camby said the host Knicks routed his Nuggets on Dec. 13. Camby, whom former Knicks GM Scott Layden traded to the Nuggets, figures he and Sprewell would enjoy playing for Layden's successor, Isiah Thomas.

In July, when Camby re-signed with the Nuggets, he said in a statement issued by agent Rick Kaplan: "I've said all along that Denver was my first choice."

[mavs413]

what about?
Dallas trades:
PF Alan Henderson
SG Marquis Daniels
PG Jason Terry
Dallas receives:
PG Jason Kidd
PF Aaron Williams or FC Jason Collins
SF Eric Williams

New Jersey trades:
PG Jason Kidd
PF Aaron Williams or FC Jason Collins
SF Eric Williams
New Jersey receives:
PF Alan Henderson
SG Marquis Daniels
PG Jason Terry

TRADE ACCEPTED

I just put together what I thought would be an acceptable trade for both teams. I dont know if we would actually do it if NJ proposed it, but it would at least make us think about it. With Daniels going to New Jersey, Williams becomes expendable for them because it would move RJ back to SF.
*Either Aaron Williams or Jason Collins works with RealGM.

[EricaLubarsky]

New Jersey might think about that. I personally think we just need some motivation, leadership and most of all, time. But that isnt too shabby of a trade.

Terry and Henderson are expiring contracts in the next few years. Daniels has a decent contract and its long but Im sure the Nets could do worse.

[Mavs414]

i hope nj would accept daniels,terry,and henderson cause we really need a point gaurd and i think kidd is the missing piece that can help this team alot this would be one of the best christmas present for me lol

[jayC]

Gary Payton, Damon Stoudamire, Baron Davis all could be on the block. I think Kidd is too much of a risk. Sure if he is healthy we would have an excellent chance at a Title. But we still might have a great chance with GP, Stoudamire or Baron Davis. The Mavs just haven't had adequate pg play.

I just don't see how Daniels is expendable. He might be the mavs best post player.

[withoutmalice]

I bet B. Davis is just itching to get out of NO as they don't look to be competitive over the near future. NO might be willing to dump him if PG reclamation projects Junior Harrington and/or Dan Dickau continue their surprising play or if they decide to draft a PG next year. Stoudamire though is really struggling in POR as fans are screaming for Telfair. He's a little short and even back in his days in TOR he was criticized for his inability to defend against the post-up. Daniels is the kind of player we've needed for a while. A young and athletic guard who can play excellent perimeter defense as he has the speed and size to guard anyone from a small quick PG like T. Parker to a SF.