is anyone else really sick of this MVP talk? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

nowhereman · 03-24-2007, 09:54 PM

seriously - it's been going on since december, and I don't just mean on the boards.. it's in every nba broadcast, in almost every article or editorial, in every mavs radio segment, at every game... It's giving me a headache hearing all these shifting criterion.

it's just an award. it doesn't mean anything. winning games is what counts!

seriously - can we please just chill out?

dude1394 · 03-24-2007, 09:59 PM

yea pretty much, but I can't help myself it seems.

I'm not crazy about the MVP chants at the arena at all, I think it embarresses the dirkster.

SeattleMavsFan · 03-24-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

yea pretty much, but I can't help myself it seems.

I'm not crazy about the MVP chants at the arena at all, I think it embarresses the dirkster.

he deserves those MVP chants though. I agree though as it really does not matter as long as the Mavs win the title; although it would be nice

dude1394 · 03-24-2007, 10:28 PM

Don't disagree, he deserves them, but I feel it distracts him from what he is most interested in, winning the game. So I'm just not crazy about them.

I know he also has to block all of that stuff out but as a fan, I'm not crazy about making it harder for him.

DOMINATOR · 03-24-2007, 10:46 PM

they talk about it so much because thats how sports are marketed now.
players are sold not teams

nashtymavsfan13 · 03-25-2007, 12:03 AM

I don't mind it, it's a big story and it's good that Dirk is getting more recognition.

nowhereman · 03-25-2007, 12:32 AM

but - it's just so very ubiquitous. i mean UGH everywhere I go.

i hate mvp talk. especially when it begins in december.

nashtymavsfan13 · 03-25-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

but - it's just so very ubiquitous. i mean UGH everywhere I go.

i hate mvp talk. especially when it begins in december.

I agree that it did start too early, and it's being overly publicized, but I'm glad Dirk is getting some deserved recognition.

LRB · 03-25-2007, 01:56 AM

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yea pretty much, but I can't help myself it seems.

I'm not crazy about the MVP chants at the arena at all, I think it embarresses the dirkster.

I think Cuban's tirade at the officials embarresses him more and has a more negative effect on Dirk's game.

nowhereman · 03-25-2007, 02:03 AM

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I think Cuban's tirade at the officials embarresses him more and has a more negative effect on Dirk's game.

red... herring...?

chumdawg · 03-25-2007, 02:07 AM

Since the Mavs have never had an MVP, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that current Mavs fans would be excited about the possibility.

I mean, this is our franchise's 28th year. That's kindof a long, long time...

LRB · 03-25-2007, 02:14 AM

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red... herring...?

Not really. Cuban orchestrated the MVP campaign. I'd rather have Cuban focused on leading the MVP chant if only for a couple of minutes a game, if it takes his freaking mind off of ranting on the refs.

Dirkadirkastan · 03-25-2007, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

yea pretty much, but I can't help myself it seems.

I'm not crazy about the MVP chants at the arena at all, I think it embarresses the dirkster.

He needs to get over it (actually I don't think it bothers him). It's very traditional to chant MVP for candidates or past winners. That isn't media hype, it's fan love.

Dirk said he would be honored to win MVP, and he said he appreciates fans supporting him. The thing he doesn't like is media hype, or any sort of official "petition".

jleefilled · 03-25-2007, 02:22 AM

I'll start caring about the MVP after the Mavs win a championship. Until then, I couldn't care less about it, and yes, it's become annoying for me to even hear about it.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2007, 03:12 AM

You bet your ass I care about Dirk winning MVP.

jleefilled · 03-25-2007, 03:20 AM

I should have probably rephrased post #14. What I meant by "couldn't care less about it" is that on a relative scale, it doesn't mean much compared to the Mavs winning a championship. In fact, I'd gladly give all of the MVP's Dirk deserved in the past 3 years and the next 3 years for just one championship. Gladly.

Flacolaco · 03-25-2007, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Since the Mavs have never had an MVP, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that current Mavs fans would be excited about the possibility.

I mean, this is our franchise's 28th year. That's kindof a long, long time...

I think that the "current mav fan" knows what Dirk knows....

It's not about 70 wins. It's not about the #1 seed. It's not about MVPS.

It's about the banner and the rings.

Thats all it is. That's all there is.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2007, 03:29 AM

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I should have probably rephrased post #14. What I meant by "couldn't care less about it" is that on a relative scale, it doesn't mean much compared to the Mavs winning a championship. In fact, I'd gladly give all of the MVP's Dirk deserved in the past 3 years and the next 3 years for just one championship. Gladly.

As would I. But really, the MVP isn't nothing. If Dirk doesn't win at least one before his career is over, it will be a crime. I definitely care about him winning it, and by no means do have any intention of "chilling out" as nowhereman puts it.

The answer to your question, nowhereman, is no. We can not just chill out. It's important to me. Seriously.

jleefilled · 03-25-2007, 03:43 AM

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As would I. But really, the MVP isn't nothing. If Dirk doesn't win at least one before his career is over, it will be a crime. I definitely care about him winning it, and by no means do have any intention of "chilling out" as nowhereman puts it.

The answer to your question, nowhereman, is no. We can not just chill out. It's important to me. Seriously.

I agree with that. If Dirk doesn't win it this year, it's pretty much already a crime.

kriD · 03-25-2007, 04:00 AM

being named MVP = getting more ref respect ==> MVP award = important

dude1394 · 03-25-2007, 08:24 AM

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I think Cuban's tirade at the officials embarresses him more and has a more negative effect on Dirk's game.

Not when he's physically trying to make a ft shot imo.

dude1394 · 03-25-2007, 08:26 AM

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Not really. Cuban orchestrated the MVP campaign. I'd rather have Cuban focused on leading the MVP chant if only for a couple of minutes a game, if it takes his freaking mind off of ranting on the refs.

Oh I don't mind the mvp campaign at all to be honest. that was one night and I thought it pretty cool. I now see dirk mvp t-shirts walking around and I like that.

But getting into that when the game is tight and dirk has to conentrate on sinking a ft, I just don't like. It smacks of let-down imo during the game.

jthig32 · 03-25-2007, 09:26 AM

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I think that the "current mav fan" knows what Dirk knows....

It's not about 70 wins. It's not about the #1 seed. It's not about MVPS.

It's about the banner and the rings.

Thats all it is. That's all there is.

Once again, we're not players. We're allowed to care about the less important things.

And I care very much about Dirk winning the MVP. I'll gladly trade it for a championship, but I'd much rather have both.

Underdog · 03-25-2007, 10:49 AM

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Once again, we're not players. We're allowed to care about the less important things.

And I care very much about Dirk winning the MVP. I'll gladly trade it for a championship, but I'd much rather have both.

Um, I'm all about Dirk winning MVP, but to trade it for a Championship??? Really? I mean, really? For real-real? MVP for Championship? You're serious? Is that a typo? Did you mean to say Championship for MVP? I understand the "both" part, but the other part boggles my mind - was that a statement of bravado? Are you sure that's what you meant to type? MVP over Championship??? Really?

dude1394 · 03-25-2007, 10:52 AM

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And I care very much about Dirk winning the MVP. I'll gladly trade it for a championship, but I'd much rather have both.

Refreshingly honest. I applaud it. May not agree with it but I applaud it.

G-Man · 03-25-2007, 11:09 AM

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being named MVP = getting more ref respect ==> MVP award = important

That may be the only reason I still care about the MVP for Dirk.

Otherwise. I'm sort of looking forward to him being shafted again. The voters will look back at the PHX game, and give it to Nash. They won't even notice the way Dirk personally made sure the Mavs won the next 2 games and didn't spin into a funk like Stevie's team did. 2 straight 4th quarters of brilliance, against the best team in the East, and a surging Boston squad that next beat SA on the 2nd night of a back to back. O yeah, then the Mavs whipped Lebron.

Any great player can win a big game like Nash did. Being Most Valuable overall means bringing it every night, carrying the team some nights, boosting the ego of your center with a few assists the next, making room for your sidekick to make it to the all star game, being the decoy that gets Jet those open 4th quarter jump shots.

The best argument for Dirk is that he keeps getting better. His assist average for March is up 25% from November's. He went from 2.9 in November, to 3.4 in December to 4.3 in March. We don't know what he'll improve next, but we know he's not done getting better. Again, all this stuff is too subtle for MVP voters who base their choice on a few nationally televised games and Sportscenter highlights. I just hope when they shaft Dirk this time, he gets to take his anger out on Shaq and DWade, ending with a real party on South Beach, with the O'Brien trophy in hand.

dude1394 · 03-25-2007, 11:22 AM

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The best argument for Dirk is that he keeps getting better. His assist average for March is up 25% from November's. He went from 2.9 in November, to 3.4 in December to 4.3 in March.

Thank YOU for the stats. He's really starting to get it, isn't he. His game is so much less effort this year than last, last year he HAD to make that shot or HAD to take it to the hoop for a foul. This year he dishes it to a team-mate to beat the doubleteam. It's great to watch, just great. It's great to see our centers have to be covered again as well.

4.3 Wow...that would put him top 50 in the league. And the page has NOTHING but guards and swingmen on it. 4.3-2.6career is just awesome. That would be a 1.7 jump this year. Maybe avery's figured out something as well this year when last year he just had dirk beating his head against doubles.

kriD · 03-25-2007, 12:02 PM

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Otherwise. I'm sort of looking forward to him being shafted again. The voters will look back at the PHX game, and give it to Nash. They won't even notice the way Dirk personally made sure the Mavs won the next 2 games and didn't spin into a funk like Stevie's team did.

But the voters WILL notice the game on April 1st in Phoenix. If Dallas wins that one, the headlines will favor Dirk again.

Storys:

"Two weeks ago Nash stole Dirk's award - today/yesterday Dirk got it back"

"Dallas 3, Phoenix 1"

"Dirk: "I will sleep well tonight""

LRB · 03-25-2007, 12:02 PM

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Oh I don't mind the mvp campaign at all to be honest. that was one night and I thought it pretty cool. I now see dirk mvp t-shirts walking around and I like that.

But getting into that when the game is tight and dirk has to conentrate on sinking a ft, I just don't like. It smacks of let-down imo during the game.

I can certainly understand you point. I think it's stupid for home fans to do anything that might be potentially distracting when a home team player is shooting FT's. I would agree that when Dirk is shooting FT's is an inappropriate time for the MVP chant.

G-Man · 03-25-2007, 12:56 PM

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I can certainly understand you point. I think it's stupid for home fans to do anything that might be potentially distracting when a home team player is shooting FT's. I would agree that when Dirk is shooting FT's is an inappropriate time for the MVP chant.

I sit in the south end zone at AAc and back in December had the misfortune of starting one of the 1st MVP chants after Dirk made a huge play. He clanked the and 1 free throw. I don't chant so much anymore.

chumdawg · 03-25-2007, 01:22 PM

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The voters will look back at the PHX game, and give it to Nash. They won't even notice the way Dirk personally made sure the Mavs won the next 2 games and didn't spin into a funk like Stevie's team did.

You know, when you think about it, if Marion doesn't get that offensive rebound, then Nash goes down as the guy who missed last-second shot. Worth considering...

By the way, I think some of you guys misunderstood jthig!

nowhereman · 03-25-2007, 03:48 PM

ARGH.

if it wasn't dirk, how much fun would we, as nba fans have in reading or watching or listening to everyone drool about how some random guy deserves to be mvp.

i think talking about mvp candidates should be banned until march.

G-Man · 03-25-2007, 05:48 PM

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ARGH.

if it wasn't dirk, how much fun would we, as nba fans have in reading or watching or listening to everyone drool about how some random guy deserves to be mvp.

i think talking about mvp candidates should be banned until march.

What makes this one controversial is the possibility of Nash winning 3 straight MVP's. That gives it league wide interest. As many say its a 2 man race with Dirk and Steve, it generates more heat on Dirk, helped now by that double overtime showdown on national tv. When they play again, how many times do you think we'll see replays of Dirk missing FT's and jump shots?

As a Mavs fan, I think if they screw Dirk, it will add more edge to his game for the playoffs, so I'll be equally happy whether he wins or loses.

jthig32 · 03-25-2007, 09:24 PM

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Um, I'm all about Dirk winning MVP, but to trade it for a Championship??? Really? I mean, really? For real-real? MVP for Championship? You're serious? Is that a typo? Did you mean to say Championship for MVP? I understand the "both" part, but the other part boggles my mind - was that a statement of bravado? Are you sure that's what you meant to type? MVP over Championship??? Really?

I'm...confused. Is this a joke?

When you say "I'll gladly trade X for Y", what you're saying is you'd rather have Y. If I trade X for Y, I'm giving X away, and receiving Y. We traded Jamison FOR Stack and the pick....right?

So when I say "I really want Dirk to win the MVP, but I'll gladly trade it for a championship, I mean I want the championship.

I mean...that seems obvious to me...I guess maybe you were joking.

Dirkadirkastan · 03-25-2007, 09:34 PM

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The best argument for Dirk is that he keeps getting better. His assist average for March is up 25% from November's. He went from 2.9 in November, to 3.4 in December to 4.3 in March.

[stupid phoenix fan]but... but... only NASH makes his teammates better lol!!![/stupid phoenix fan]

nashtymavsfan13 · 03-26-2007, 12:09 AM

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Once again, we're not players. We're allowed to care about the less important things.

And I care very much about Dirk winning the MVP. I'll gladly trade it for a championship, but I'd much rather have both.

Exactly how I feel. We can care about things like this, we don't have to think the championship is the ONLY important thing even if it is most important. I care about Dirk winning MVP, and I care about the championship. Like you said, I want both.

Flacolaco · 03-26-2007, 12:20 AM

So when Dirk gets the MVP trophy sometime in the whatever round it is, and then Nash and the Suns skip to the NBA finals after ousting the mavs in the WCF you'll all feel good about that?

ask charles barkley how he's enjoying his MVP trophy. It must be easy to hold with his ringless fingers.

nashtymavsfan13 · 03-26-2007, 12:24 AM

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So when Dirk gets the MVP trophy sometime in the whatever round it is, and then Nash and the Suns skip to the NBA finals after ousting the mavs in the WCF you'll all feel good about that?

ask charles barkley how he's enjoying his MVP trophy. It must be easy to hold with his ringless fingers.

First of all, the Suns won't beat the Mavs. Second of all, obviously we'd all be upset about the Mavs losing and the season would overall be a disappointment. But that doesn't mean we can't or we won't enjoy the MVP and high regular season win total.

rabbitproof · 03-26-2007, 03:28 AM

I want the Mavs to win a championship before any Maverick wins a MVP (it's okay if they happen in the same reason). If Dirk is crowned a MVP and we don't get the title this year, I think it moves him in the Steve Nash direction aka BRILLIANT player, questionable WINNER.

Which is utter bullshit

In conclusion, I hope Dirk wins them both but winning a MVP won't matter when the votes are tallied but only when he hoists a championship trophy. Until then, it is a hallow mini-Steve Nash coronation.

EDIT: To make things more clear, I will be more disappointed in Dirk if he wins the MVP but doesn't get the championship then if he loses them both because he looks more like Nash, who is the world's best player through 82 games but somehow ends his season with a loss.

rabbitproof · 03-26-2007, 03:39 AM

Lastly, to get to the original poster's point, as little importance I give to the MVP award, it's been fun because it's much more debate-able then anything that's gone on - player minutes, coaching styles, playoff seeding....

... in fact, I would have to say the hottest topics of the season have been MVP award, Hollinger ratings and Cuban's goatee.