Paul Pierce

[Rockstar]

Boston trades:
Paul Pierce
Marcus Banks
Raef LaFrentz


Dallas trade:
Devin Harris
Keith Van Horn
Marquis Daniels

[EricaLubarsky]

interesting...

[freestyle]

Based on what source, you? ;-)

[vashjan]

This is not a good trade because you are getting back a bad contract in Raef(which incidently we traded away).

[alby]

how is that not a good trade lol

[bgantz]

paul pierce=overrated

[DevinHarriswillstart]

No way, he is the one player that would make sense to trade for. We have the assets and his name has been floating around as trade bait for some time. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if we got him.

[alby]

Paul Pierce is not overrated, he would even have better assist numbers if his teammates can hit a shot, I've seen many Boston games and Paul Pierce is not overrated. He distributes the ball more than the public gives him credit for which is a very good trait to have especially when you are already a proven scorer in this league.

Like I keep pointing out, a starting 5 of

Jet
Pierce
Howard
Dirk
Damp

w a bench of Raef, Stack, Banks

that's easily a top 5 team in the NBA imo

[Lebanese_Fan]

Don't forget he is a very good rebounder and relies on going to the free throw line.

[alby]

A starting shooting guard that does more than shoot outside jumpshots? It's been too long... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

[MavsFanFinley]

You don't trade away potential like Daniels.

[fin4life]

Originally posted by: MavsFanFinley
You don't trade away potential like Daniels.

its not just the potential of Daniels..... it is the potential of Harris that I am more worried about. I am not saying that it is a bad trade, but we would be trading a lot of our youth. I would still consider this because "The Truth" might just be the missing piece of the puzzle for the mavs.

Great trade idea Rockstar

[Lebanese_Fan]

So you want to wait a few more year to develop youth and let dirk pass his prime years. Peirce and dirk are at there best NOW. Pair them up and win a couple of rings.

[Mavs414]

thats a good trade but never happen

[dalmations202]

That would be one to contemplate for a long time before making a decision.

You could turn the team into a more traditional 2-star and role players team..........which is much easier to build and restock as long as you have the two stars.

Not sure Boston would do it, maybe....Not sure Dallas would do it, maybe............man lots of interesting thoughts on this one. Lots of gain, lots of loss.

[Drbio]

One of the better offers posted in this rediculous forum....

[kg_veteran]

That's a fair trade offer. I love Devin Harris and what he might become, but I'd do the deal.

[alby]

exactly, Finley started to decline / get injured when he hit 29/30 years old. Dirk is only two years away, so please let's not wait to see what our young guys can potentially become when it would mean that it would be after Dirk's best years...

[Eman]

I don't know much about Marcus Banks. He's young (23), he was the 13th pick in 2003 by the logo, does he have the potential to be a starter some day?

Raef could replace Van horn somewhat

Pierce is a huge upgrade over Marquis

Jterry and Banks, is that enough for us at the point?

[alby]

Marcus Banks should have been starting over Payton in Boston IMO, he will now though so yes he is definitely a starter in the NBA.

[foglemann]

alby, your wrong. Delante West will start at PG next year for the Celts. He beat out Banks last year and will again this year. Banks is the weakest player in that trade by far. He can't even dribble with his left hand. He's fast, but still can't shoot. Tell them to throw in West instead of Banks, and then I'm more interested. I'd still do it. I think getting Pierce for anyone other than Josh and Dirk, your in the money. Dirk needs and deserves a true 2nd option.

[alby]

definitely.. all of the past champions have had two or more stars complimenting each other, except for houston's first title w just hakeem.

[bo319]

I think I'd have to do some studying on this one.
I'm not a big fan of Raef but asking him to play 20 minutes at the 4/5 is not such a bad idea for KVH...imho.
Daniels shows promise but he will never be Paul Pierce...definitely do this one.
Harris VS Banks...hmmmm.
I liked Banks at UNLV but Harris really has impressed me at times as a rookie and has more upside...but will he be as good of a PG as Pierce is a 2/3 now? I doubt it and Banks is serviceable as a backup PG.

a definite maybe

[alby]

we would be losing offense in Keith Van Horn, but gain it back and then some with Paul Pierce
we would be losing some young potential in Devin Harris, but gain it back by adding the backup 4/5 that we need

If banks isnt up to par as the backup point guard, we can always pick up an earl watson / jaric caliber type player

Dampier / Raef
Dirk / Raef
Josh Howard / Stack
Paul Pierce / Stack
Jason Terry / Banks

DJ as the 9th guy

back to elite status.

[D-town funkadellic]

Giving away Devin Harris and Marquis Daniels at this point in their development could be one of the worst moves ever. Firstly, the trade probably wouldnt happen because the Celtics don't need anymore youth. If they trade Pierce, theyre going to want something in return besides more potential. While I think Pierce could definately help us in the immediate future, sometimes you have to look long-term. Look at the Lakers. They had two great players, had their dynasty and look at them now. Theyre too old and they suck. Paul Pierce is not Kobe and Dirk is not Shaq. While I think that Having a star at the 2 guard would make us a better team next season, I don't see trading away our backcourt of the future as the best means of acquisition. I think we have one of the most, if not the most talented overall roster in the NBA and its only going to get better. If some of you trade-happy fans could excersice a little patience, you could see a very very good team in the next couple of years.



P.S.: No Raefs Allowed

[D-town funkadellic]

[jayC]

Pierce has never played with anyone of the caliber of Dirk Nowitzki or Shaq. Kobe did shoot 40 percent from the field for most of the year. Potential only gets you so far. Devin Harris could be Kevin Johnson or he could be Kenny Andersen. Banks has some potential at the point. 21.6 ppg 6.1 rbpg and 4.2 apg says it all for me. Pierce also shot 45.5 percent from the field.

[alby]

I am looking at it long-term

I am looking at it in terms of how long our best player, Dirk, have left in his prime. Like i pointed out, finley started to decline because of his diminishing skills and increased risk of injuries when he hit 29/30 years old.. Dirk is 27. With Pierce here, we would have our best shot to win a championship in the next three years IMO.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally posted by: alby
I am looking at it long-term

I am looking at it in terms of how long our best player, Dirk, have left in his prime. Like i pointed out, finley started to decline because of his diminishing skills and increased risk of injuries when he hit 29/30 years old.. Dirk is 27. With Pierce here, we would have our best shot to win a championship in the next three years IMO.

Bingo. I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Sure, Harris' and Quis' potential will be missed, but like you, I fear that by the time they realize their potential (if they do at all) Dirk may be well past his prime. Besides, we'd still have Howard who is a future star IMO; a much safer bet than Devin or Marquis. Honestly, I'd be much more concerned about taking on Raef's awful contract than losing Devin and Marquis.

[bgantz]

i'm just not a big fan of pierce in general. i don't question his talent, i just don't have anything for guys who dominate and the demand the ball and are possession stoppers. when the ball hits pierce's hands, he's looking to shoot. he's selfish, and if you bring him here, he will still believe he's the best player on the team despite dirk. his game is so much like stackhouse's anyway it's not even funny. the only difference is pierce younger with more explosiveness. i'm fine with 2 franchise players being sidekicks, but unfortunately pierce would have to be dirk's sidekick, and i don't think he would go for that. antoine walker didn't go for it either, so let them ball hog together in boston. not to mention taking back raef's terrible contract.

[Thespiralgoeson]

I disagree completely. You can't begrudge Paul Pierce for demanding the ball, when he's always been that team's star player. And I seriously doubt that he'd have a problem playing alongside Dirk. If anything, I think he might enjoy not having to be "the man." He certainly was all too happy to have Antione back to take some of the load off his shoulders.

his game is so much like stackhouse's anyway it's not even funny. the only difference is pierce younger with more explosiveness.

Nonsense. Pierce can shoot.

[bgantz]

Originally posted by: Thespiralgoeson
I disagree completely. You can't begrudge Paul Pierce for demanding the ball, when he's always been that team's star player. And I seriously doubt that he'd have a problem playing alongside Dirk. If anything, I think he might enjoy not having to be "the man." He certainly was all too happy to have Antione back to take some of the load off his shoulders.

Nonsense. Pierce can shoot.

pierce is a career 44% fg shooter, and stackhouse is 41%. i will give you that pierce is overall a slightly better shooter, but that doesn't change their game. they both dominate the ball, try to get to the free throw line, and become obsessed with the fadeaway. stackhouse isn't exactly a bad shooter anyway. i'm not opposed to dirk having a very good complimentary player, i'm just saying i don't feel that pierce is the kind of guy that is accepting to a complimentary role.

[alby]

Originally posted by: bgantz
i'm just not a big fan of pierce in general. i don't question his talent, i just don't have anything for guys who dominate and the demand the ball and are possession stoppers. when the ball hits pierce's hands, he's looking to shoot. he's selfish, and if you bring him here, he will still believe he's the best player on the team despite dirk. his game is so much like stackhouse's anyway it's not even funny. the only difference is pierce younger with more explosiveness. i'm fine with 2 franchise players being sidekicks, but unfortunately pierce would have to be dirk's sidekick, and i don't think he would go for that. antoine walker didn't go for it either, so let them ball hog together in boston. not to mention taking back raef's terrible contract.

playing alongside walker for most of his career, he has picked up some bad habits and of course formed some of his own [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

but, with that being said, if pierce were to come to Dallas, with AJ, Cuban, Dirk, Jet, Jho, etc -- he may be the best thing that ever happened to this franchise

[alby]

Dirk and Pierce would be able to average 20+ a night and still be happy, at least having another proven scorer (like Fin a few years ago), the roles of the other players on the team will be more defined.

[bgantz]

Originally posted by: alby
Dirk and Pierce would be able to average 20+ a night and still be happy, at least having another proven scorer (like Fin a few years ago), the roles of the other players on the team will be more defined.

the mavericks could make this trade if they want to, and knowing their willingness to build a fantasy roster it wouldn't shock me if someone like pierce came here. even though this trade was made up. the problem i have is that i feel the worst thing the mavericks can do is bring in another guy who dominates the ball and wants to be the man. we had it with walker, and pierce would do it here too. he would take shots away from dirk, sulk when not given enough minutes, and be an offensive possession stopper. where are you going to start him? if you start him at the 2, then stackhouse comes off the bench to spell pierce....and he's bringing the EXACT same type of game to the table. come in the game, dominate the ball, chuck up shots, shoot early in the shot clock, take shots away from dirk. as brilliant as stackhouse's game was at times, he was also painfully maddening at times too. if you start pierce at the 3, then you have howard coming off the bench, with stackhoue and pierce playing the 2 and 3. that's a disaster. go to a boston message board and read about all the pierce trade topics. pierce isn't a complimentary player, he's a guy who thinks he can be the best player in the league, and playing along side dirk, that's not good. i'm just saying overall i think it would cause problems. the mavs need more fitting piece players who have defined roles coming in: 3 point shooter, rebounder, interior defender. not a guy like pierce who is looking for a team to adapt to him.

[bgantz]

truthfully, raef lafrentz being in this trade is a reason enough to say no. his contract blows and we don't need round 2 with him.

[alby]

Originally posted by: bgantz

the mavericks could make this trade if they want to, and knowing their willingness to build a fantasy roster it wouldn't shock me if someone like pierce came here. even though this trade was made up. the problem i have is that i feel the worst thing the mavericks can do is bring in another guy who dominates the ball and wants to be the man. we had it with walker, and pierce would do it here too. he would take shots away from dirk, sulk when not given enough minutes, and be an offensive possession stopper. where are you going to start him? if you start him at the 2, then stackhouse comes off the bench to spell pierce....and he's bringing the EXACT same type of game to the table. come in the game, dominate the ball, chuck up shots, shoot early in the shot clock, take shots away from dirk. as brilliant as stackhouse's game was at times, he was also painfully maddening at times too. if you start pierce at the 3, then you have howard coming off the bench, with stackhoue and pierce playing the 2 and 3. that's a disaster. go to a boston message board and read about all the pierce trade topics. pierce isn't a complimentary player, he's a guy who thinks he can be the best player in the league, and playing along side dirk, that's not good. i'm just saying overall i think it would cause problems. the mavs need more fitting piece players who have defined roles coming in: 3 point shooter, rebounder, interior defender. not a guy like pierce who is looking for a team to adapt to him.

Walker and Dirk play the same position that is why they clashed and the fact that Nellie wanted the whole "point forward" thing didn't help their cause either. Dirk and the mavs were doing just fine with Fin when he was scoring 20+ a game and averaging 45% overall and on 35% threes..

and im sure Stackhouse would definitely be trade bait if we had Paul Pierce on the team..

[bgantz]

Originally posted by: alby

Walker and Dirk play the same position that is why they clashed and the fact that Nellie wanted the whole "point forward" thing didn't help their cause either. Dirk and the mavs were doing just fine with Fin when he was scoring 20+ a game and averaging 45% overall and on 35% threes..

and im sure Stackhouse would definitely be trade bait if we had Paul Pierce on the team..

fin 3 years ago doesn't equal pierce now. fin is a shooter, period. he caught the ball in rhythm and shot jumpers, and if the shot wasn't there, he passed. pierce straight up gets the ball and decides to create, high percentage shot be damned. he's the type of guy who wants to fill out the box score regardless of the victory, he wants his stats. and why would you trade stack? he's a fitting piece already who's contributing to the team chemistry. no sense is getting rid of that in hopes that pierce might work out.

[alby]

how do you know this about pierce again?

[bgantz]

Originally posted by: alby
how do you know this about pierce again?

it only takes about 1 game. whatever, i don't even care too much anymore.