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MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 01-23-2009, 08:37 AM

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Texas girls hoops team seeks forfeit of 100-0 win
Jan. 22, 2009
CBSSports.com wire reports

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DALLAS -- A Texas high school girls basketball team on the winning end of a 100-0 game has a case of blowout remorse.
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Now officials from The Covenant School say they are trying to do the right thing by seeking a forfeit and apologizing for the margin of victory.

In a statement Thursday on The Covenant School's website, the head of school said, "It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened." He went on to say that Covenant has made "a formal request to forfeit the game recognizing that a victory without honor is a great loss."

The private Christian school defeated Dallas Academy last week. Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.

A parent who attended the game told The Associated Press that Covenant continued to make 3-pointers -- even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.

"I think the bad judgment was in the full-court press and the 3-point shots," said Renee Peloza, whose daughter plays for Dallas Academy. "At some point, they should have backed off."

Dallas Academy coach Jeremy Civello told The Dallas Morning News that the game turned into a "layup drill," with the opposing team's guards waiting to steal the ball and drive to the basket. Covenant scored 12 points in the fourth quarter and "finally eased up when they got to 100 with about four minutes left," he said.

Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless during the past four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.

There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become lopsided. There is, however, "a golden rule" that should have applied in this contest, said Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas.

"On a personal note, I told the coach of the losing team how much I admire their girls for continuing to compete against all odds," Burleson said. "They showed much more character than the coach that allowed that score to get out of hand. It's up to the coach to control the outcome."

Covenant coach Micah Grimes and head of school Kyle Queal did not immediately respond to messages left by the Associated Press on Thursday.

In the statement on the Covenant website, Queal said the game "does not reflect a Christ-like and honorable approach to competition. We humbly apologize for our actions and seek the forgiveness of Dallas Academy, TAPPS and our community."

Queal said school officials met with Dallas Academy officials to apologize and praised "each member of the Dallas Academy Varsity Girls Basketball team for their strength, composure and fortitude in a game in which they clearly emerged the winner." Civello said he appreciated the gesture and has accepted the apology "with no ill feelings."

At a shootaround Thursday, several Dallas Academy players said they were frustrated during the game but felt it was a learning opportunity. They also said they are excited about some of the attention they are receiving from the loss, including an invitation from Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to see an NBA game from his suite.

"Even if you are losing, you might as well keep playing," said Shelby Hyatt, a freshman on the team. "Keep trying, and it's going to be OK."

Peloza said the coach and other parents praised the Dallas Academy girls afterward for limiting Covenant to 12 points in the fourth quarter. She added that neither her daughter nor her teammates seemed to dwell on the loss.

"Somewhere during that game they got caught up in the moment," Peloza said of the Covenant players, fans and coaches. "Our girls just moved on. That's the happy part of the story."

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The other team scored 0. Really? ZERO? Why would you want to forfeit to a team that scored ZERO POINTS? Screw them. Who cares if they ran up the score, the other team should not have a basketball team. Keep the 100 point victory. I mean yeah the full court press in the 4th quarter was a little much..and well chucking up threes in the second half when it was 59-0 at halftime. But they obviously wanted to get to 100 and they accomplished that goal.

Ummmmm Ok · 01-23-2009, 08:51 AM

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Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless during the past four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.

They don't even have tryouts, just walk up and play. I just can't believe that the other team did that to these girls. How pathetic.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 01-23-2009, 08:52 AM

lol I didnt read that. But I thought athletes usually have learning differences anyway? :P

Rhylan · 01-23-2009, 11:39 AM

We were talking about this at work yesterday, then I saw the report on KXAS yesterday from the losing high school.

No one is coaching those girls. The clips showed them "in action" during what amounted to a shootaround. Trust me. That school owes those girls a lot more than what they're getting every day in practice. Not shooting the ball with two hands, for example. It was that fundamentally bad.

Their basketball coach "does not display a Christ-like approach" to caring about her job. Beyond the idea of winning for teams who have the talent to do so regularly, one of the primary purposes of HS sports is to learn how to work hard to get better at something. But if you've never played basketball in your life, you need a coach who actually bothers to teach you things like proper shooting form.

Also, you have to wonder about who's doing the scheduling - the team hasn't won a game in 4 years. I don't know how TAPPS works.. but clearly this school needs to be in a different classification, or at least have someone think better of scheduling games like this - assuming the game wasn't against the TAPPS equivalent of a district opponent and would've been more or less required.

I was in some pretty awful basketball games in 7th grade, but we always got to double digits. You have to be unspeakably awful at basketball to not score a single point, or to not get fouled once in a 32 minute game and make one free throw.

DirkFTW · 01-23-2009, 04:53 PM

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At a shootaround Thursday, several Dallas Academy players said they were frustrated during the game but felt it was a learning opportunity. They also said they are excited about some of the attention they are receiving from the loss, including an invitation from Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to see an NBA game from his suite.

Cuban: "Girls, you weren't suffering alone. Here's what your fans felt like during the blowout."

j/k j/k j/k...

(...depending on who we play...

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jthig32 · 01-23-2009, 05:11 PM

I played basketball for a highschool slightly bigger than the one described in the article, and I just can't imagine what administrator decided it would be a good idea to get that school/team into TAPPS competition.

We had our own league of small (very small) private schools in the area that we played in. What a dumb decision by that school.

chumdawg · 01-23-2009, 05:13 PM

I heard Cuban invited the Academy team to come to the AAC and meet the Mavs.

ty · 01-23-2009, 05:26 PM

Anyone see any symbolism here?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 01-23-2009, 11:34 PM

"Our team didn't quite lose by 100, but we lost by 34 to a bad team which in NBA terms is about the same thing. Oh and we're not trading Josh" -Cubes

alexamenos · 01-26-2009, 08:39 AM

the way people are glorifying this group for getting their asses kicked is gettin' ridiculous. i'm with rhlyan that their coach is the one that should be getting his ass chewed for not trying to teach them to play a little b-ball.

Murphy3 · 01-26-2009, 09:17 AM

Some of you sound about as idiotic as the guys over on 103.3 with regards to this situation.

ty · 01-26-2009, 01:20 PM

The coach got fired.

horse900703 · 01-26-2009, 08:11 PM

ridiculous.

alexamenos · 01-27-2009, 10:25 AM

I think this coach kinda got hosed.

I read his letter and I gotta agree with the guy. Teams like his probably only have 7 or 8 players suiting up so it's kind of hard to pull of your starters, and they still had most of the 4th quarter to play when they stopped scoring altogether. Ironic that the losers are being praised because they kept trying, while the winners are condemned because they didn't lay down and stop trying soon enough.

The problem here is plainly that they won "100-0" rather than "87-0" or "96-0", the differences being a matter of nice round numbers, not a question of whether one team completely curb-stomped and humiliated a bunch of spares.

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Once upon a time, yours truly was in a game where the opposing team was kicking our ass and was on the verge of hitting triple didgets with just about a minute. I told their best scorer that if they were going to cross 100 they were going to have to do it from the free throw line because I was gonna knock the s___ out of him if he took another shot. A few seconds later he was on the free throw line and I'd been kicked out of the game.

Funny thing is that this was a church league game.

Underdog · 01-27-2009, 10:35 AM

Here's a couple rational questions:

Why are "slow" kids playing in the same league as "normal" kids?

Why is anyone surprised that a bunch of "normal" kids beat a bunch of "slow" kids 100-0???

Murphy3 · 01-27-2009, 11:20 AM

In district play during my freshman year, there was a team in our district that kept another team from advancing the ball past half court in the first half. They could have hung 100 on them, but they at least had enough class to only win by 60-70. We were the only team that year to be within 30, and that was just because I was able to get the ball across half court and then slow the game down to a screeching halt.

mary · 01-27-2009, 11:44 AM

I don't really know if the coach got hosed. If he just would've shut the hell up about it, he would still have a job.

Its just a high school basketball game either way.

Rhylan · 01-27-2009, 12:22 PM

On the topic of "slow" versus "normal," I'd like to hear someone with some expertise on the topic to weigh in on whether or not ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, etc, have any effect on muscle memory from repetition. Because I'm pretty sure almost anybody who's not MR (and probably plenty who are) can be taught not to shoot a basketball two-handed by a coach interested in earning his paycheck.

It's just that the school is for kids with learning difficulties, that doesn't necessarily mean the kids can't be taught to dribble and shoot. My wife used to work at Oak Hill Academy in Dallas, it's K-8 and the same kind of school.. they field sports teams and haven't made the news yet.

chumdawg · 01-27-2009, 03:06 PM

I blame Title IX.

jthig32 · 01-27-2009, 04:27 PM

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On the topic of "slow" versus "normal," I'd like to hear someone with some expertise on the topic to weigh in on whether or not ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, etc, have any effect on muscle memory from repetition. Because I'm pretty sure almost anybody who's not MR (and probably plenty who are) can be taught not to shoot a basketball two-handed by a coach interested in earning his paycheck.

It's just that the school is for kids with learning difficulties, that doesn't necessarily mean the kids can't be taught to dribble and shoot. My wife used to work at Oak Hill Academy in Dallas, it's K-8 and the same kind of school.. they field sports teams and haven't made the news yet.

Right. Learning disability does not necessarily translate to a physical disability that prevents athletic ability. In fact I would imagine it rarely does.

tcat075 · 01-27-2009, 10:03 PM

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I played basketball for a highschool slightly bigger than the one described in the article, and I just can't imagine what administrator decided it would be a good idea to get that school/team into TAPPS competition.

We had our own league of small (very small) private schools in the area that we played in. What a dumb decision by that school.

Yeah, our school plays in TAPPS too. Actually, both my school last year before I moved in Dallas and my school here in Austin after we moved down here both use TAPPS.

Underdog · 01-27-2009, 10:07 PM

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Right. Learning disability does not necessarily translate to a physical disability that prevents athletic ability. In fact I would imagine it rarely does.

And then a 100-0 score rears it's ugly head and you have to wonder...

tcat075 · 01-27-2009, 10:09 PM

As for those people who say not scoring is tough, and taht 100-0 is an unbelievable blowout, two things:

1) When the other team can hardly handle the ball, and get stripped a lot, then you aren't going to get many shooting fouls and a lot of fast breaks. The result = non-shooting fouls, thus no free throws, thus no score for the bad team. It also equals a lot of easy layups.

2) Height advantage can mean everything. I'm better the bad school was very small, or at least small compared to their opponent. At that level, even a half foot advantage is a huge advantage. Reboards often result from height, not position. Blocks are easy when you have height, especially at that level. Passes are a lot safer, just through at the hands above everyone else. Post ups are incredibly effective.

Trust me, I know. I've seen a couple games were our girls varsity has just demolished other teams. I believe all the factors lined up: it was a short team (like 5'8" at the MOST), our team has two or three very tall (6'2"ish) girls who can score very effectively, the other team weren't great ball-handlers, our PG's probably had a dozen strips, etc etc.

wilmtalk · 02-07-2009, 09:12 PM

The difference in talent and ability in girls high school basketball between various teams is probably greater than any other sport. Blow outs are not that unusual even between schools of simular size enrollment. Private schools become enrollment magnets for talented players because the coaching and exposure results in scholorships to Div 1 collages for the players.

Height while sometimes a factor is not the only reason. The top rated team in the country last year ( Sacred Heart ) had no players even 6' tall. They beat another undefeated team ( St Marys ) for that distinction by one at the Nor-Cal playoffs and they also had no-one even 6' tall. It's really about coaching and skilled players who can handle the ball. These types of teams would blow out teams that blow out other teams and so forth.

I have seen games this year where the latter of the afore mentioned team had to really try to keep the score under a 100 even with a running clock. There second teams would also blow out those schools. And these were against teams that were fielded by schools of 2000 student enrollments. Both of those teams because of their lack of height used a intense full court pressure defense to compensate. The caliber of play of some of the programs is just way beyond most of the others.

I dont believe the team that scored 100 in the article was even that good. Perhaps low mid level at best. There is such a huge disparity between teams in high school basketball that blow outs at many different levels are not that unusual even if the teams call off the dogs long before the games are over.

I recently saw a halftime score of 69 to 9 score that ended up as 84 to 32. The losing team actually had blown out some other teams previously themselves.

nikeball · 02-08-2009, 12:52 AM

Very nice first post.

Welcome to d-m. Wish we had more "newbies" like you.

wilmtalk · 04-07-2009, 10:52 AM

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Very nice first post.

Welcome to d-m. Wish we had more "newbies" like you.

Sorry I was so late to respond to you. Other than the Mavs I also am a fan of womens basketball. While being unfortunately in NorCal, so I can't go see the Mavs, it's a blessing that I am able to witness some of the best High school teams in the Nation play each other at Arco in the Norcals and State playoffs. The level of play is unbelievable. I recently viewed the Texas womens basketball thread. I hope you guys get Hill to go along with Reed to help bolster your womens program.

CadBane · 04-07-2009, 11:23 AM

Women play basketball?

wilmtalk · 04-21-2009, 02:02 PM

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Women play basketball?

I know you are just trying to introject some humor but for a basketball purist the Womens game is a joy to watch. They are more fundamentally sound and play a better team game- less ego involved. The skill level of the girls is getting better every year.

92bDad · 04-21-2009, 02:38 PM

Hey guess what, guys like Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Ted Turner...heck Mark Cuban, Tom Hicks, Jerry Jones...they all kicked my ARSE on finances...they shut me out 100-0, do you think they should call, apologize, forfiet and for that matter turn over some of their cash to me out of "REMORSE"

This thing is freakin insane!!!

I've lost big time and I've won big time...my kids have gone through similar things...you know what pissed me off the most...being on a losing team and the other side having pity on me and calling off the dawgs.

I've played on soccer teams that got killed 10-0 or worse...I was the goalie and I SUCKED!!! But I'll be darn if I didn't learn from it and actually developed a little bit of game for the next time we played.

I've also been in the same situation and a team is winning 4-0, then they start to play keep away and stop taking shots...we nearly had a few fights break out at that game...

Play the dang game, play to score, play to win...let the chips fall were they may!!!

Once you start a game, you can't QUIT in the middle...do we tell a losing team to QUIT, then why should we tell the winning team to quit?

Now the adults that put this together for the losing team, perhaps they should examine their own judgement ability? But to see people and places going out of their out of guilt that someone else put them in...that is freakin CRAZY!!!

It pisses me off that the winning coach lost his job over this, and to see so much spin that screams of liberalism ideology is driving me nuts!!!

This absolutely sends the WRONG message!!!

If we have gone this far, then you might as well give treats to the Mavs players at the end of every game, have fans on the court and make a tunnel for the players to run under, and then at the end of the season lets make sure they all get some type of trophy...oh and let's not keep score, after all its a game not a competition and EVERYONE is a winner!!!

This makes my head explode!!!

Dirkadirkastan · 04-21-2009, 08:19 PM

It's one thing to beat up kids, and another to beat up "mentally challenged" kids.

This was about the winning team taunting during the game, and why the hell that coach signed the losing team up in the league in the first place.

Anyway, keep your political garbage out of the sports forum.

LonghornDub · 04-21-2009, 08:35 PM

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This makes my head explode!!!

Your rhetorical style and your general point of view toward everybody make my head explode.

CadBane · 04-21-2009, 09:33 PM

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I know you are just trying to introject some humor but for a basketball purist the Womens game is a joy to watch. They are more fundamentally sound and play a better team game- less ego involved. The skill level of the girls is getting better every year.

I just don't really find lay-ups and flat-footed jumpers all that skillful.

Kirobaito · 04-21-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wilmtalk

I know you are just trying to introject some humor but for a basketball purist the Womens game is a joy to watch. They are more fundamentally sound and play a better team game- less ego involved. The skill level of the girls is getting better every year.

I used to not like women's basketball, but I started watching it when I got to college and I like it a lot now. If you have the right team, it's very enjoyable.

CadBane · 04-21-2009, 09:49 PM

If the team is full of Juwana Man's. ;]

MavsX · 04-24-2009, 08:48 AM

stupid