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Arne · 02-15-2006, 03:55 PM

New Abu Ghraib abuse photos shown in Australia

By Sundeep Tucker in Sydney

Updated: 3:42 p.m. ET Feb. 15, 2006
An Australian television station on Wednesday broadcast previously unpublished graphic images of physical abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.

The shocking scenes are expected to spark further anger across the Muslim world, and follow the broadcast this week of TV footage allegedly showing British troops beating Iraqis in Basra and the continued tensions caused by the publication of the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

State-funded SBS television's acclaimed Dateline programme screened video and still images of the wounds allegedly inflicted on the Iraqis by their American captors in the aftermath of the US-led invasion of the country in March 2003.

They included photographs of blood-soaked Iraqi prisoners who had been tortured or shot dead, footage of a prisoner repeatedly slamming his head into a metal door, and a film of naked male prisoners being forced to masturbate in front of the camera.

Other images unearthed by Dateline included photos of women's breasts, prisoners with severe wounds or covered in faeces as well as degrading pictures of several corpses.

Previously published pictures of abuses at the prison caused worldwide outrage when they surfaced in April 2004 and led to the jailing of seven low-ranking US army personnel.

The images shown on Dateline have reportedly been viewed by US politicians but have been classified by authorities as too graphic for public consumption.

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The programme said that the Bush administration is attempting to prevent release of the images in the US, arguing that their publication could provoke antagonism towards the US across the Muslim world.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has been granted access to the images under Freedom of Information, but the US government is appealing the decision.

Dateline said that it had approached the US Defense Department for comment but it declined, stating that the matter was before the US courts.

George Negus, Dateline's host, told viewers it was important to televise the images to make the public aware of what had taken place at the Abu Ghraib prison.

He said: "Despite the currently overheated international climate, we're showing them because they show the extent of the horror that occurred at Abu Ghraib."

The program reported that three prisoners at Abu Ghraib were killed when US soldiers ran out of rubber bullets trying to quell a riot at the jail and resorted to using live ammunition.

Amrit Singh, an ACLU lawyer, told Dateline that the images were evidence of "systemic and widespread abuse" of prisoners by US soldiers.

The report was filed by Olivia Rousset, an award-winning freelance reporter, who is believed to have secured the pictures through local contacts in Iraq.

Ms Rousset has interviewed some of the Iraqi torture victims featured in the previously published notorious Abu Ghraib abuse photos. SBS would not confirm how it secured the pictures.

Dateline said that Ms Rousset would file a further expose "early next month" regarding the role of the US Military Police Guard at the prison, featuring perpetrators of abuse and eyewitness testimony.

Arne · 02-15-2006, 03:58 PM

Some of them:

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****The following links are to abuse photos that some may find Offensive****

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,580762,00.jpg

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,580757,00.jpg

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,580772,00.jpg

Drbio · 02-15-2006, 04:06 PM

You know arne....a link would have been better, especially for those involving nudity. There will be some posters who want to read your post but not see those photos.

Arne · 02-15-2006, 04:11 PM

I think that falls into freedom of expression...

Drbio · 02-15-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Arne

I think that falls into freedom of expression...

No, it falls into common courtesy and community standards...I know you struggle with that, but the board has addressed this type of issue before and all agreed to link offensive photos (posting a warning) rather than paste them.

I'm sure it is only a matter of time before a mod edits it. I thought you might want to do the right thing, but I'm not surprised you are fighting that.

Arne · 02-15-2006, 04:19 PM

What about those Muslim cartoons? Aren't these things the same? What if a muslim feels offended when he sees those cartoons in those threads?

Drbio · 02-15-2006, 04:22 PM

Those muslim cartoon do not show nudity.

And the gracious edit occurs....I tried.

Arne · 02-15-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

Those muslim cartoon do not show nudity.

And the gracious edit occurs....I tried.

Duplicitous in my opinion...

Drbio · 02-15-2006, 04:30 PM

Your opinion really doesn't matter in this case does it?

FishForLunch · 02-15-2006, 04:36 PM

I think the islamists spent all their rage on freaking cartoons to care about these new photos. Who cares

Arne · 02-15-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

Your opinion really doesn't matter in this case does it?

Thinking of it in that way... Your opinion doesn't as well, so why do you even post in this thread...?

Drbio · 02-15-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Arne

Thinking of it in that way... Your opinion doesn't as well, so why do you even post in this thread...?

Sure it did. I was correct. You were not. I tried to be civil but you didn't want it to go that route. You have been educated now so at least a little positive came of this. However, what you feel about the rule regarding the posting of offensive photos is irrelevant.

kg_veteran · 02-15-2006, 04:51 PM

Arne - Freedom of expression doesn't apply on a privately owned message board. We are pretty easy going, but posting naked pictures isn't cool.

Arne · 02-15-2006, 04:55 PM

You couldn't see his genitals... I really don't get how someone could feel more offended by this than by something that parodizes his religion and makes fun of its leader.

The thing about private message boards is a good point though... But still, this is a place open to public isn't it?

Drbio · 02-15-2006, 04:56 PM

You can see his bare behind and pubic hair. It was inappropriate. You got busted. Move on.

Arne · 02-15-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

Sure it did. I was correct. You were not. I tried to be civil but you didn't want it to go that route. You have been educated now so at least a little positive came of this. However, what you feel about the rule regarding the posting of offensive photos is irrelevant.

If you were correct or if I was correct doesn't change the fact that your comments about my opinion, and that it didn't matter, were as useful or worthless as my post that included my opinion...

Drbio · 02-15-2006, 05:00 PM

Just say ouch and move on Arne. Now you are just embarassing yourself.

Arne · 02-15-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

You can see his bare behind and pubic hair. It was inappropriate. You got busted. Move on.

If i'd feel "busted" my life would really, really suck... And mine doesn't...

Drbio · 02-15-2006, 05:05 PM

I guess you don't get it. There are standards that you violated. In an attempt to be civil, I posted this....

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You know arne....a link would have been better, especially for those involving nudity. There will be some posters who want to read your post but not see those photos.

I clearly indicated that someone might want to read your post and that they might find it interesting while accurately pointing out that some will find the photos that you posted to be offensive.

Sadly, you wanted to dig in instead of doing the right thing. Ultimately it was editted as I predicted and you still want to dig in. Now you are really just embarrassing yourself.

It is no big deal. You've been shown to be wrong and you learned from it (we hope). Move on. There is no reason to dig in on this issue except that you want to show your backside again.

Arne · 02-15-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

I guess you don't get it. There are standards that you violated. In an attempt to be civil, I posted this....

I clearly indicated that someone might want to read your post and that they might find it interesting while accurately pointing out that some will find the photos that you posted to be offensive.

Sadly, you wanted to dig in instead of doing the right thing. Ultimately it was editted as I predicted and you still want to dig in. Now you are really just embarrassing yourself.

It is no big deal. You've been shown to be wrong and you learned from it (we hope). Move on. There is no reason to dig in on this issue except that you want to show your backside again.

I respect the mods, I don't really respect you, so the thing is: I know now what may be done and what may not be done on this board now. It wouldn't have taken all your "You got busted"-comments...

Drbio · 02-15-2006, 05:18 PM

Apparently it did. You ignored the polite post and wanted to dig in....you were wrong. I tried to point it out and you failed to comprehend the facts. Your failure to do it quickly can be overlooked as you were eventually educated. Your failure to not dig in is just embarassing you.

kg_veteran · 02-15-2006, 05:20 PM

Okay, guys. Arne now knows the acceptable standard of conduct re: nude photos (and yes, I consider a dude's ass a nude photo, Arne). Let's move along to something on topic. If you want to talk about respect, we do have PMs available.

*fluffs his mod skirt*

Arne · 02-15-2006, 05:20 PM

-edit

Nevermind, kg's last word should be the best option....

Drbio · 02-15-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

*fluffs his mod skirt*

I figured you either farted and did that or Arne was still around.

dalmations202 · 02-15-2006, 05:44 PM

Back to the start of this Thread..........

Question?

Why are 4 year old photos being published at this time? Especially when radicals are trying very hard to rile up Muslims -- even to the point of taking offense to cartoon pictures?

Coincidence?