Fire Carlisle

[frankvizza]

kidd is finished i said it from day 1 he is a back up pg , this team will not win with kid playing big minutes , kidd will be good on the lakers, magic, cavs,, not here , we have to let time tell the future of this team , it might be time to start thinking rebuilding the team , or lets get wade here

[xrobx]

there is no way a team with this much talent should be playing this bad.

[She_Growls]

No Roddy, uh, uh, uh.....just speechless. Fire RC.

[rmacomic]

The lack of trust in point guard play was one of the major reasons Avery lost his job, Jim Carey needs to be careful he doesn't repeat that mistake.

[sike]

is this stupid thread going to be bumped after every loss? Please stop yall.

[mavsfan1000]

Originally Posted by sike

is this stupid thread going to be bumped after every loss? Please stop yall.

It's building more and more each game. It's stupid that Carlisle keeps playing Barea over Beaubois and with Terry at the same time. How about Haywood not getting many minutes as well tonight. Kidd can't handle these heavy minutes either. His play has consistently gotten worse throughout the season. All this talent and yet no success.

[She_Growls]

Originally Posted by sike

is this stupid thread going to be bumped after every loss? Please stop yall.

You can thank me later....

[rmacomic]

Originally Posted by sike

is this stupid thread going to be bumped after every loss? Please stop yall.

Thread Nazi

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by sike

is this stupid thread going to be bumped after every loss? Please stop yall.

I guess we could always start a new one after a loss.

[badfish22]

JJ Barea is the Mavericks version of herpes.

Just when you think hes gone, he comes back strong as ever.

Has a Mav team ever had such an obvious problem that could be so easily fixed? Damn, just sit JJ and play Roddy. I dont give a f*** if hes not completely ready, JJ makes more mistakes than he does.

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by She_Growls

No Roddy, uh, uh, uh.....just speechless. Fire RC.

Is that the only reason you can think up to fire the coach? If they think the situation is that dire, it would be a lot easier for the MBT to just tell Rick to play the kid instead of recruiting a replacement coach.

[Fidel]

I think Carlisle is a good X´s and O´s coach. He just isn´t good at substitiutions at all, and has no feel for the game and what personal is needed. His subs seem completely random at times. You also have to question him for still going with Jet and JJB so much when it is obvously not working.

For all the dealing and wheeling the FO has done in the last 10 years it´s really unfortunate they just can´t seem to pick up a good coach.

[frankvizza]

should of kept old man nellie here , his coaching was all about offence screw defence , now we bring in 2 defensive coaches and for some reaon we can't defend and score now , ol nellie come back

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by FINtastic

I guess we could always start a new one after a loss.

Or put all our "Fire Carlisle" comments into whichever thread we happen to be reading at the time the comment pops into our heads.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Fidel

I think Carlisle is a good X´s and O´s coach. He just isn´t good at substitiutions at all, and has no feel for the game and what personal is needed. His subs seem completely random at times. You also have to question him for still going with Jet and JJB so much when it is obvously not working.

For all the dealing and wheeling the FO has done in the last 10 years it´s really unfortunate they just can´t seem to pick up a good coach.

They have a good coach. No set of fans is ever completely happy with their coach. Spurstalk is ready to run Pop out of town on a rail.

One of Carlisle's biggest strengths, historically, has been his ability to push the right buttons on a nightly basis. He got an incredible amount of production from Brandon Bass, who is now wasting away on the bench of a coach that is highly thought of. Hell he got a pretty decent amount of production out of freaking Gerald Green last year.

The Roddy/JJB thing has been confusing at times, no doubt (although I don't think last night was confusing at all). But blaming last night on Carlisle is absurd, and wanting to get rid of Carlisle is equally absurd. He's one of the best assets the Mavs currently have, and only his history of a grating personality that wears on players can keep him from being the coach here for a long, long time.

[Underdog]

Carlisle should have played Howard & Gooden more last night!

Obviously Butler & Haywood are never going to learn this system - they had a full 24 hours to unpack their bags and they STILL didn't know what the hell they were doing... Carlisle is a lousy coach!

BLOW IT UP, CUBAN!!!

[Dirkgreatness]

Originally Posted by frankvizza

should of kept old man nellie here , his coaching was all about offence screw defence , now we bring in 2 defensive coaches and for some reaon we can't defend and score now , ol nellie come back

You're kidding right?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Dirkgreatness

You're kidding right?

who knows, fans get so ridiculous sometimes. Fire RC, Cut JJB, Cut JET....DO EVERYTHING NOW NO MATTER HOW DUMB IT IS!!!!!!

[She_Growls]

So here we are again...And again, I am calling for Cuban to Fire Carlisle. Not only is he seriously getting out-coached by Pops, his lame answers during the post press conference reaped of stubbornness and an unwillingness to admit he made a mistake managing game 2 and 3 with his stupid rotations.

At this point, I would rather see Donnie Nelson take over the reigns and why wait until the season is over? Do it right now! We have nothing to lose; at least Donnie will play his diamond in the rough, Roddy B.

[tcat075]

Funny how Carlisle's first year we were applauding him. Now he's worse than Avery. I'd love to know how he changed. As far as I'm concerned, he coached a very poor game Friday. But maybe we're all overreacting just a tiny bit?

[She_Growls]

Originally Posted by tcat075

Funny how Carlisle's first year we were applauding him. Now he's worse than Avery. I'd love to know how he changed. As far as I'm concerned, he coached a very more game Friday. But maybe we're all overreacting just a tiny bit?

I understand your comments, however, we applauded Avery too. Did Avery change? No. Has RC changed? Absolutely, not. But "expectations" changed for both each year and rightfully so, but with expectations comes "pressure"....Avery didn't handle it very well, as witnessed by all (benching Kidd; changing the lineup against GS, etc.) and Rick, well, let's see what happens in game 4 Sunday...but I personally have seen enough.

But I appreciate your comments tcat.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by She_Growls

I understand your comments, however, we applauded Avery too. Did Avery change? No. Has RC changed? Absolutely, not. But "expectations" changed for both each year and rightfully so, but with expectations comes "pressure"....Avery didn't handle it very well, as witnessed by all (benching Kidd; changing the lineup against GS, etc.) and Rick, well, let's see what happens in game 4 Sunday...but I personally have seen enough.

But I appreciate your comments tcat.

Thanks, and yes, Game 4 will determine a lot. Whether Carlisle's strategy of benching Butler works, whether he is able to keep the locker room controlled and focused despite several pissed off players, and just whether he is really able to get through to his players that they need to try harder and play better and cut out the ridiculous, moronic turnovers.

Also, I'm going to be very interested in what kind of start the Mavericks get off to. Oh, and how he handles JJ, whether its a "you played well so I owe you PT" approach, or a "what have you done for me lately, meaning this game", as it should be. And while I have a list going, what about the starting lineup? Will Butler or Marion go to the bench, and if so, will it be JET, JJ, or even Stevenson or Roddy replacing them? I know I'm a Roddy homer, but we always started well during he stretch of starting. Hello, Roddy oop?

So yeah, there are a lot of things I'm interested to see. First and foremost a Maverick win, but those things I mentioned as well.

edit: Must spread rep, otherwise I would rep you for a good, civilized debate. Funny, I don't remember repping you lately, but I'm sure you deserved it.

[mavsfan1000]

Originally Posted by She_Growls

I am done and not one for a lot of words----Carlisle has lost this team and me too! Enough of this BS....

MFFL

+ rep. I agree totally and hope Cuban does something soon.

[Thomas86]

I wonna see how Game 4 goes before I bash RC.

[dude1394]

RC has changed quite a bit actually. He's certainly not the over-controlling offensive guy. He's put the players in the best situation to win I think (this team has to run). But the 3-8 players just are not good enough it appears.

[Kidd Karma]

Agree, because he has not played Roddy at all. This is utterly ridiculous. You gave the kid minutes down the stretch to prepare him for this time of year, and now you yank the carpet.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by dude1394

RC has changed quite a bit actually. He's certainly not the over-controlling offensive guy. He's put the players in the best situation to win I think (this team has to run). But the 3-8 players just are not good enough it appears.

Does he put his players in the best position to win? RC is out of my circle of trust.

1) The Roddy development. It was painfully obvious that the Roddy situation would play out like this in the playoffs! He had plenty of time to work him into the rotation and use him but he didn't take hardly any of the opportunities available.

2) Caron Butler, Shawn Marion and Haywood.. They don't play in the fourth quarter and down the stretch in several meaningful games aside from this years playoffs? That makes sense and totally justifies the trade. I mean why would you use any of those guys?

3) JJB. Obviously too much JJB!

4) Damp. Too much Dampier.

5) Rotations in general.

[Underdog]

So which available coach is a better fit than Rick Carlisle?

[clutch#41]

rick carlisle sucks! how do u not play our best defender all series in stevenson! jus throw him on parker,ginobli,or even hill and they wont be as effective.stevensons role is to be a shutdown defender and what he has played 1 min in game 1?? lol ridiculus. and he thinks his 3 guard lineup can match the spurs?? get the f... outta here with that bs..........and roddy not getting any PT..i dont even wanna get started on that.lazy ass damp over haywood?hahaha how do u expect to win when the best players on the team arent even on the floor.carlisle has to go.we either gotta bring in a 2 guard like wade or im in favor of rebuilding!

[clutch#41]

Originally Posted by frankvizza

kidd is finished i said it from day 1 he is a back up pg , this team will not win with kid playing big minutes , kidd will be good on the lakers, magic, cavs,, not here , we have to let time tell the future of this team , it might be time to start thinking rebuilding the team , or lets get wade here

agrred with that.id trade dirk to the nets for brook lopez and the 1st pick in the draft(john wall) or the syracuse guy. we can still get good value for dirk right now.but it wont happen.mark cuban wont go in rebuilding mode as long as dirk is here.

[EricaLubarsky]

1) The whole argument is stupid if you blame the coach for the sins of the players
2) The whole argument is absolutely vapid if you want to fire Carlisle without any alternative. Thats like getting mad and wanting to buyout Kidd...sure Kidd may be holding us back with his weaknesses but without a viable alternative you are basically arguing that we should blow up the team

[clutch#41]

its jus the fact that the last 3 games..all losses carlisle hasnt made any rotation adjustments.u cant lose each game do the same rotations and expect a different result.carlisle is an idiot!! this is why he has to go.the playoffs are all about adjustment and carlisle hasnt done shit!

[dude1394]

Yea...not covering hill, not stopping parker, not stopping manu, not stopping blair...all on rick. I call bullcrap.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Yea...not covering hill, not stopping parker, not stopping manu, not stopping blair...all on rick. I call bullcrap.

I agree but Rick's not doing a very good job of putting players out there who can guard them. Stevenson can't make Ginobilli work for his shot? Roddy can't make Parker or Hill work for theirs?

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I agree but Rick's not doing a very good job of putting players out there who can guard them. Stevenson can't make Ginobilli work for his shot? Roddy can't make Parker or Hill work for theirs?

this

[mac222b]

i know he can't shoot but i really like the energy DeShawn brings. he gave Kobe fits. and then went back to the bench. Roddy dropped 40-8-3-3 in 29 minutes... and back to the bench. oh that's right it was against the Warriors and therefore meaningless. Carlisle is not incompetent, he's top 5 in the league at diagraming a play off of a timeout. but he's arrogant, petty, inflexible, and can't handle his players or stand up for them or help give them any consistency through rotations which make sense. he can hardly be bothered to stand up off the bench to argue calls half the time. he'll be back in the broadcast booth in 2 years.

[fluid.forty.one]

It's not Rick's fault that Caron is pussying out and taking multiple 20 foot jumpers. What do you want him to do, bench him for a 2nd half? We tried that already.

If our playoff hopes are riding on a Rookie who DNP 20 times this season, we were screwed before we even played game one.

[mavsfan4lyfe201]

hoopshype.com says carlisles job isnt in jeopardy. even if we lose in round 1..

...bullshit...

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

It's not Rick's fault that Caron is pussying out and taking multiple 20 foot jumpers. What do you want him to do, bench him for a 2nd half? We tried that already.

If our playoff hopes are riding on a Rookie who DNP 20 times this season, we were screwed before we even played game one.

he shouldn't have been a DNP ever this season. Sam Cassell was a rookie guard on a championship team playing big minutes. Brandon Jennings is starting at point for the Bucks. Butler is taking too many jumpers but that's his game. and it is up to Rick, in part, to put Caron in a position to succeed. whatever that entails. benching was never really an option. it was dumb.

[ShaggyDirk]

Originally Posted by mavsfan4lyfe201

hoopshype.com says carlisles job isnt in jeopardy. even if we lose in round 1..

...bullshit...

a dallas reporter was interviewed today on the radio here in Austin, TX... he stated from a reliable inside source that if the Mavs don't make it out of the first round, the team as we know it will be completely different next season and R.C. gets another year regardless... ALSO, the mavs F.O. is gearing up to throw everything in for Lebron (we knew all of this, but it was stated today on the radio)...