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jthig32 · 02-02-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Strange, why is there no report of the injury? Shouldn't we put his knee before the W-L record at this point. I mean someone who's been limping around as bad as this, there has to be something, is brass failing to report something? It just seems ridiculous that he's actually out there now trying to play.

There have been plenty of reports on his knee. Dirk himself has been quoted multiple times talking about his knee bothering him.

CadBane · 02-02-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Strange, why is there no report of the injury? Shouldn't we put his knee before the W-L record at this point. I mean someone who's been limping around as bad as this, there has to be something, is brass failing to report something? It just seems ridiculous that he's actually out there now trying to play.

There has been...they've mentioned how his knee has been hurt for weeks now. The thing is, there's (allegedly) no structural damage, and Dirk claims the knee is getting better. It just doesn't look that way.

Kidd Karma · 02-02-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

There have been plenty of reports on his knee. Dirk himself has been quoted multiple times talking about his knee bothering him.

Yea, but you hear the terms knee tendinitis, scar tissue, twisted knee, hyperextension, they have not even termed it at all. I'm guessing they're using Dirk's competitiveness to hide something serious. My thinking is that they don't want to hurt their chances with Deron Williams and Dwight Howard.

BGMaverick9 · 02-02-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

He is missing wide open jump shots. That is the most alarming concern. I can take him missing his patent one-legger or anything that requires him to drive. However, open jumpers is his version of a dunk.

That's basketball. It happens. Jet has had 2-3 games this year where he's had clean looks and he just flat out missed. You can't necessarily just jump on the "well, his knee is messed up" idea due to him missing those open shots.

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hopefully....your estimate of when that will be?

There's no real way to honestly guess. If someone tries to guess, it's just for the hell of it. All you can use is last year as a frame of reference. He needed a handful of games before the shooting percentages found their way back to a level that we're used to seeing.

The thing your eyes will point to is the attacking nature. When does he start attacking towards the rack on a consistent basis?

Kidd Karma · 02-02-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

That's basketball. It happens. Jet has had 2-3 games this year where he's had clean looks and he just flat out missed. You can't necessarily just jump on the "well, his knee is messed up" idea due to him missing those open shots.

There's no real way to honestly guess. If someone tries to guess, it's just for the hell of it. All you can use is last year as a frame of reference. He needed a handful of games before the shooting percentages found their way back to a level that we're used to seeing.

The thing your eyes will point to is the attacking nature. When does he start attacking towards the rack on a consistent basis?

Yea, probably when he uses it to set up the rest of his game. Right now he's just taking what the defense is giving, in hopes it helps the team. A few of those open 3's usually he'd throw in a show and go for the hoop and the harm.

He did have one late attack where he looked to the ref for a foul:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...medium=twitter

j0Shi · 02-02-2012, 06:56 PM

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2012/2/...pect-mavericks

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It's hard to measure whether some teams get more calls than others. You basically have to go through all the games and review all calls. Because nobody has time doing this we have to interpret the numbers we have. The overall assumption is that teams that average more field goal attempts at the rim / in the paint should generally shoot more free throws because their aggressiveness towards the rim will eventually get rewarded with shots at the line. Another approach is to look on how many free throws a team gets out of opponent fouls.

skakavac · 02-02-2012, 07:13 PM

After rewatchinng the whole game is that okc doenst scare me a bit:
They won
with the help of the refs (so many bs calls),
with a dirk who cant hit right now and hurts us even more on defense because he moves so slow
with a bang up marion u came back after he injured his knee after a 20 second time-out (just wow)
without haywood, odom and kidd,
with carter and roddy bad shoting nights

If we will met OKC in the playoffs i will make huge bets on Dallas if Dirk is healthy because OKC basicly sucks against us when they arent in transition

ibivibiv · 02-02-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by skakavac

After rewatchinng the whole game is that okc doenst scare me a bit:
They won
with the help of the refs (so many bs calls),
with a dirk who cant hit right now and hurts us even more on defense because he moves so slow
with a bang up marion u came back after he injured his knee after a 20 second time-out (just wow)
without haywood, odom and kidd,
with carter and roddy bad shoting nights

If we will met OKC in the playoffs i will make huge bets on Dallas if Dirk is healthy because OKC basicly sucks against us when they arent in transition

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ibivibiv · 02-02-2012, 07:53 PM

I was honestly expecting things to be thrown on the court that officiating was so bad last night. But we almost overcame it. If Dirk was on the money, we would have taken those guys (including the BS officials). Well that is assuming they wouldn't have fouled Dirk out if he was hitting his shots LOL.

Kidd Karma · 02-02-2012, 08:05 PM

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I was honestly expecting things to be thrown on the court that officiating was so bad last night. But we almost overcame it. If Dirk was on the money, we would have taken those guys (including the BS officials). Well that is assuming they wouldn't have fouled Dirk out if he was hitting his shots LOL.

I don't think the officiating was bad, they had a bet on the Thunder. Donaghy!!! Where are you.

Yep, no doubt positives, we were tied with 2 minutes to go, the MVP was 2-15, NO fouls calls went our way. We have a tough crew that hung in there, playing the top team in the conference. Dirk goes 50% we win.

LSMF · 02-02-2012, 08:13 PM

I hate to whine about refs, but I really think a video of those non-calls and questionable calls from last night should be made. I would personally make one but I'm just really busy with some school work at the moment.

CadBane · 02-03-2012, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

Can't blame the refs guys. Stop being such whiners. The Thunder are a damn good team, and our best player can't hit the broad side of a planet with 3 times the mass of jupiter.

Mark Cuban disagrees (as does anyone with working eyes).

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ba...73IhnKGje8vLYF

j0Shi · 02-03-2012, 08:34 AM

The performance for the red stands for itself. I'm all for not blaming them entirely, but the verbiage of "good teams playing through/don't whine" is also more than pathetic. The league overprotects their refs by a standard unknown in other (mainly European) sports. There's no independent committee judging the refs, so I'm all with Cuban to speak up when it's necessary.

Sure the Mavs didn't lose the game because of the officiating. Could the outcome have changed with more balanced calls? Absolutely! No whining, no bitching, no sore losers. It's just objective to blame refs where blame is appropriate.

dalmations202 · 02-03-2012, 12:18 PM

It cost Mark $75,000 to be a fan. He spoke the truth.......but the NBA isn't about truth, it is about $$$$$.

SMC0007 · 02-03-2012, 01:01 PM

With all the money he spends on fines...Just pay a team of people to view all the games and keep stats on refs... then present it weekly to the NBA office as well as a public forum to be viewed. Maybe try to go in with a few other owners to pay this outside group. Maybe it takes hold so in the future there are eyes watching the refs and repercussions for trends of blowing calls or what have ye. (If this is already taking place oops my bad... I just typed this for naught...and someone should have told me already.)

SMC0007 · 02-03-2012, 01:05 PM

or..OR.. He could spend that money on a time machine and go back and maybe the call would be different, ya know?!

CadBane · 02-03-2012, 05:05 PM

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With all the money he spends on fines...Just pay a team of people to view all the games and keep stats on refs... then present it weekly to the NBA office as well as a public forum to be viewed. Maybe try to go in with a few other owners to pay this outside group. Maybe it takes hold so in the future there are eyes watching the refs and repercussions for trends of blowing calls or what have ye. (If this is already taking place oops my bad... I just typed this for naught...and someone should have told me already.)

I think Mark actually DOES do this (keeping stats on the refs). The thing is, Stern just doesn't give a shit. They have their own "internal review" which doesn't mean shit.

LSMF · 02-03-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

I think Mark actually DOES do this (keeping stats on the refs). The thing is, Stern just doesn't give a shit. They have their own "internal review" which doesn't mean shit.

Exactly, Stern simply does not hold his refs accountable for anything. However, now that Mark has spoken his mind about the terrible reffing of late, I would prefer he goes back to being silent. My worst fear is that this team and fanbase gets put through an experience like the 2006 Finals again.

BGMaverick9 · 02-03-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

I think Mark actually DOES do this (keeping stats on the refs).

He does.
People have been saying that it just so happens to be that he decides to berate the refs after they have a poor shooting night and they lose to a big team. The fact of the matter is he's been ripping the refs for at least a solid two weeks.

Kidd Karma · 02-03-2012, 07:18 PM

I don't know, I think we have to start looking at the fouler, not the freaking refs, you make sure the refs aren't watching and a little elbow here and there. Because the crap Ibaka did on Dirk's cut, was ridiculous when compared to the 1st quarter And 1 by Westbrook, where VC never touched him. Or if I was VC, I'd take down Westbrook on a drive and stand over him, "now that's a foul."

CadBane · 02-03-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

He does.
People have been saying that it just so happens to be that he decides to berate the refs after they have a poor shooting night and they lose to a big team. The fact of the matter is he's been ripping the refs for at least a solid two weeks.

Yeah, the officiating has been ridiculously egregious as of late. Tonight is was terrible as well. I'm sorry, but no other team in the league gets shafted on calls like these past 2 nights at home.

dude1394 · 02-03-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

I think Mark actually DOES do this (keeping stats on the refs). The thing is, Stern just doesn't give a shit. They have their own "internal review" which doesn't mean shit.

Nor does he allow his customers to see it.

redzwestisbest · 02-05-2012, 10:25 AM

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Nor does he allow his customers to see it.

Why did you give me negative rep for saying that Dirk hasn't offered much else beside jump shots in his slump (although in the game against the Cavs he had a nice drive against Jamison). You can't give a negative rep just because I criticize Dirk. Actually, your negative rep helps out my point even more. We can't critique Dirk on these boards without people getting openly affended.

Also, if I ever say that Dirk physically can't get to his spots, then this does not always mean I am questioning his effort, it just means he physically is not able to do what he wants.

I think there is no doubt in the last couple of games, Dirk's effort level has been about 150%.

dude1394 · 02-05-2012, 10:36 AM

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Why did you give me negative rep for saying that Dirk hasn't offered much else beside jump shots in his slump (although in the game against the Cavs he had a nice drive against Jamison). You can't give a negative rep just because I criticize Dirk. Actually, your negative rep helps out my point even more. We can't critique Dirk on these boards without people getting openly affended.

Also, if I ever say that Dirk physically can't get to his spots, then this does not always mean I am questioning his effort, it just means he physically is not able to do what he wants.

I think there is no doubt in the last couple of games, Dirk's effort level has been about 150%.

Beats me, I can't even find your quote since you obscurely quoted me in response. Ask your question with the neg rep quote.