Should the Mavs Re-Sign Delonte West - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

ibivibiv · 07-23-2012, 03:23 PM

Full disclosure I am a HUGE Delonte fan because of his hard nosed play and team loyalty to the Mavs. Personally I'd like to see them offload Roddy/Dojo to keep Delonte. SIGN THE GUY ALREADY!!!!!! Thoughts?

Kidd Karma · 07-23-2012, 03:33 PM

Makes sense, knowing that Cunningham and Jones, possibly Boobs are the other options at the point. Problem is we have 14 signed up. Latest rumors have us in on Joel Pryzbilla, along with Blazers and Bucks. If Mavs get him, barring a trade of one of the young guards, can't see us signing West.

PG Collison, Jones, Cunningham
SG Mayo, Jones, Boobs
C Kaman, Wright, Bernard James
PF Dirk, Brand
SF Marion, Carter, Crowder

sbibi · 07-23-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Makes sense, knowing that Cunningham and Jones, possibly Boobs are the other options at the point. Problem is we have 14 signed up. Latest rumors have us in on Joel Pryzbilla, along with Blazers and Bucks. If Mavs get him, barring a trade of one of the young guards, can't see us signing West.

PG Collison, Jones, Cunningham
SG Mayo, Jones, Boobs
C Kaman, Wright, Bernard James
PF Dirk, Brand
SF Marion, Carter, Crowder

Though Pryzbilla isn't as solid as he once was, I would take him over Delonte at this point simply for the reason that our starting center is made of glass and that we can use a backup big like him.

Murphy3 · 07-23-2012, 04:41 PM

Why Przybilla? I don't understand why you'd rather have him than West? West is a guy that can easily get 18-20+ minutes on this team.. Przybilla wouldn't see the court on many nights. I like his toughness.. But he'd be behind Kaman and Brand. The Mavs need a backup guard without a doubt.. If not West, then someone else that can play the 1/2.

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-23-2012, 04:54 PM

i say yes and no

sefant77 · 07-23-2012, 05:06 PM

Delonte West:
58 Playoff games
1648 playoff minutes

Collison&Roddy&Mayo combined:
32 games
919 minutes

Yes we need West

sbibi · 07-23-2012, 05:10 PM

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Why Przybilla? I don't understand why you'd rather have him than West? West is a guy that can easily get 18-20+ minutes on this team.. Przybilla wouldn't see the court on many nights. I like his toughness.. But he'd be behind Kaman and Brand. The Mavs need a backup guard without a doubt.. If not West, then someone else that can play the 1/2.

What would you do if Kaman, God forbid, was to go down? Would you rather have Wright/Brand starting? I would think a security blanket is more feasible at the moment. Can you can name a decent backup center that we can pick up for cheap?

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-23-2012, 05:13 PM

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What would you do if Kaman, God forbid, was to go down? Would you rather have Wright/Brand starting? I would think a security blanket is more feasible at the moment. Can you can name a decent backup center that we can pick up for cheap?

im thinking we got too many guards

He15man · 07-23-2012, 05:30 PM

I would keep West if we can't get a better guard.

b_o_r · 07-23-2012, 05:35 PM

I like West..loved him when he was at St. Joe's with Jameer, but I just don't understand the love affair as "must keep" player. He is the least of the teams need seeing as though they need another center and a pass first PG on this team.He worked much better with Kidd than w/o.

iella · 07-23-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

I like West..loved him when he was at St. Joe's with Jameer, but I just don't understand the love affair as "must keep" player. He is the least of the teams need seeing as though they need another center and a pass first PG on this team.He worked much better with Kidd than w/o.

If you read his Twitter feed, you'd understand.

jamaljasonandjimmy · 07-23-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

I like West..loved him when he was at St. Joe's with Jameer, but I just don't understand the love affair as "must keep" player. He is the least of the teams need seeing as though they need another center and a pass first PG on this team.He worked much better with Kidd than w/o.

they just loved the west willy thats all

Budapest Maverick · 07-23-2012, 05:54 PM

No, simply because he would take away minutes from Roddy, who still has potential. It's not like Delonte is going to put us over the hump next season. If Roddy develops, it's great for the Mavs, because they either have a very good young player, or they have a good trade chip, something that could be great next summer.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-23-2012, 05:59 PM

I'd go either way at this point. Good locker room guy, hard worker, and good defender. Just not sure if the minutes are there anymore. I really don't see him getting anywhere near the minutes he got last season.

Pirate · 07-23-2012, 06:06 PM

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No, simply because he would take away minutes from Roddy, who still has potential.

After three seasons, it makes no sense to build a crappy roster at guard so Roddy can be given minutes. If he can't put on his big boy panties and earn playing time, it's time to move on to someone who can play at an NBA level and make a contribution.

Kidd Karma · 07-23-2012, 06:17 PM

So what I'm gathering is West is a luxury and Pryzbilla is a security blanket.

EricaLubarsky · 07-23-2012, 07:16 PM

I like Pryzbilla and all, I just dont see why we need more than 4-5 guys in the center rotation

Kaman/Brand/Wright/James/Dirk (in short spells) seems perfectly adequate to me. Two competent, starting-caliber players, a quality backup and a developing rookie. It light years better than we had last year with Haywood/Mahinmi/Wright.

Kaman/Brand/Wright/James/Dirk
Dirk/Marion/Brand
Carter/Marion/Da Jones/Crowder
Mayo/Da Jones/Do Jones
Collison/Roddy/Cunningham

jthig32 · 07-23-2012, 07:40 PM

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I like Pryzbilla and all, I just dont see why we need more than 4-5 guys in the center rotation

Kaman/Brand/Wright/James/Dirk (in short spells) seems perfectly adequate to me. Two competent, starting-caliber players, a quality backup and a developing rookie. It light years better than we had last year with Haywood/Mahinmi/Wright.

Kaman/Brand/Wright/James/Dirk
Dirk/Marion/Brand
Carter/Marion/Da Jones/Crowder
Mayo/Da Jones/Do Jones
Collison/Roddy/Cunningham

It's a question of how the team views James. If they think he's capable of contributing, then I think you're correct. But if they think he's too raw to really play meaningful minutes this year (which is likely), then you absolutely have a need for an additional true center, as Brand and Wright are both PF's that will be outsized in some matchups.

Murphy3 · 07-23-2012, 08:35 PM

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It's a question of how the team views James. If they think he's capable of contributing, then I think you're correct. But if they think he's too raw to really play meaningful minutes this year (which is likely), then you absolutely have a need for an additional true center, as Brand and Wright are both PF's that will be outsized in some matchups.

I don't think it even matters. West is more valuable to the team than Przybilla would be. You're 1 deep at each guard spot with a bunch of unknowns... That's not good enough.

jthig32 · 07-23-2012, 08:39 PM

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I don't think it even matters. West is more valuable to the team than Przybilla would be. You're 1 deep at each guard spot with a bunch of unknowns... That's not good enough.

If I'm correct, and Pryzbilla (or another center of his ilk) means that James doesn't get a roster slot, then there's no reason you can't have Pryzbilla and West, if the Mavs want.

EricaLubarsky · 07-23-2012, 08:54 PM

Haywood/mahinmi/wright was plenty deep last year.
Kaman/brand/wright/(james) would actually be preferable to prysbilla. There would be so few minutes that pryzbilla may not be happy warming the bench as a 3rd/4th stringer. James is a rookie- he'd be happy to get 3-5mpg. If it was between James and pryzbilla, I'd probably still choose James. Things go well and he'd be happy to wave a towel. If we need him he can play 25-30 min.

As for west, he's a rare breed of guy that will contribute in whatever minutes he's given and he always plays with great motor. We only have one semi-guaranteed commodities at the two guard spots.

If Collison went down, id be terrified of depending on roddy and Cunningham for 48min. I'd be content with Brand/Wright/James or Kaman/Wright/James. Wright contributed 16 quality mpg and Kaman and brand can both play starter minutes (30mpg each last year and could probably each do 40 in a more spread out season)

Murphy3 · 07-23-2012, 09:02 PM

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If I'm correct, and Pryzbilla (or another center of his ilk) means that James doesn't get a roster slot, then there's no reason you can't have Pryzbilla and West, if the Mavs want.

Oh, I know. I'm only commenting on those that would rather have Przybilla instead of West.. if you had to choose.

roadrunner · 07-23-2012, 09:21 PM

I really think the backup PG position is where we need to focus on at this point. I would put it slightly ahead of the other options, such as another C, shooter, and backup SF. I think it would need to be a veteran who could adequately run the team in case Collison doesnt work out. Whether that is West or another vet maybe thru a trade I don't have too much preference. Even though I think there is a better chance Collison works out than not we still have alot of unknowns at the PG position behind him and that is risky.

As for the other options, others have mentioned C as a bigger need. Yes, Caveman is fragile, but there is still another great option in Brand. Some may disagree, but I see Brand as a legit C who can man that position full time and it wouldn't surprise me if he is closing games or even starting with a healthy Caveman. I would also feel comfortable with a Wright/James as temp backups if Caveman gets hurt.

I would put backup SF on par with signing another C. I think we need to consider scaling back some of Marions minutes this year just a tad. He had some knee issues last year that caused him to miss some games and dont want him to break down because he is our only real option at the 3. Im really not a big fan of seeing Carter at the 3, even in a backup role. I would rather see Crowder, but as much as I like him he is still a rookie. Im not saying I don't think he can break out as a backup this year. I just think it would be prudent to have a more proven commodity there.

As for the 3 point specialist, we have several that can shoot 35% or above, so I think this is an area that can wait to see how things shake out. The way this team is built I tend to think that there is a good chance enough will step up and fill this void. Maybe Carter could be that guy as a 2 guard. If it doesn't, maybe the Mavs FO works a trade or signs one off the street as what happened with Peja in 2011.

All of this being said, whats important is what the Mavs FO has deemed as priority. It will be interesting to see what they do.

purplefrog · 07-23-2012, 09:27 PM

I think you choose to keep two of the following: Roddy, DoJo, Dahntay. The odd man out gets you another big through a trade or SnT. Sign Delonte and go to war. For me, the acquisition of Mayo makes one of that group expendable. Especially if you think Cunningham is going to get some PT. I personally believe the odd man out is DoJo, but I didn't see his summer league performance so memories of last season still burn in my brain.

jthig32 · 07-23-2012, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Haywood/mahinmi/wright was plenty deep last year.
Kaman/brand/wright/(james) would actually be preferable to prysbilla. There would be so few minutes that pryzbilla may not be happy warming the bench as a 3rd/4th stringer. James is a rookie- he'd be happy to get 3-5mpg. If it was between James and pryzbilla, I'd probably still choose James. Things go well and he'd be happy to wave a towel. If we need him he can play 25-30 min.

This strikes me as a huge assumption. He's a second round pick. Second round picks are about a 50/50 shot to even make a roster, much less be asked to contribute in their rookie season.

If the Mavs think he's a lock to contribute this season, then this isn't even a question. But I really doubt they that.

As to the rest of the post..again..you don't have to choose. You can have another center AND Delonte if you want.

jthig32 · 07-23-2012, 10:06 PM

SF, to me, is very low on the priority list. If the Mavs didn't view carter as a perfectly viable SF then he wouldn't be on the roster, imo. And while I definitely cringe at penciling second round rookies onto depth charts, Crowder certainly seems like a good emergency SF at the very least.

We should also remember that Dahntay Jones played plenty of SF in Indy and is probably capable of doing that here under certain scenarios.

EricaLubarsky · 07-23-2012, 10:21 PM

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This strikes me as a huge assumption. He's a second round pick. Second round picks are about a 50/50 shot to even make a roster, much less be asked to contribute in their rookie season.

If the Mavs think he's a lock to contribute this season, then this isn't even a question. But I really doubt they that.

As to the rest of the post..again..you don't have to choose. You can have another center AND Delonte if you want.

I edited it on an iphone. I meant that West could give you a quality 25-30. I wouldnt depend on James yet.

Bayliss · 07-23-2012, 10:27 PM

I'd go with James for this simple reason: even though he is 27, he has potential. The Vanilla Gorilla was a player I would have liked the Mavs to have gotten about 3 years ago. But his legs are shot and at this point in his career he brings not much. James may not bring much either but bigs take awhile to blossom (Ian being a perfect example)... and I'd rather take the chance on James.

Btw, glad the Mavs passed on Fab Melo. James in Summer League ran circles around him. Literally.

jthig32 · 07-23-2012, 10:40 PM

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I'd go with James for this simple reason: even though he is 27, he has potential. The Vanilla Gorilla was a player I would have liked the Mavs to have gotten about 3 years ago. But his legs are shot and at this point in his career he brings not much. James may not bring much either but bigs take awhile to blossom (Ian being a perfect example)... and I'd rather take the chance on James.

Btw, glad the Mavs passed on Fab Melo. James in Summer League ran circles around him. Literally.

It's not like you lose James if you let him play a season in Europe, though. "Bigs take time to develop" seems like an argument for signing a veteran and giving James a year of seasoning.

The flip side is that he's 27, so you can't let him season too long.

SMC0007 · 07-23-2012, 10:44 PM

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It's not like you lose James if you let him play a season in Europe, though. "Bigs take time to develop" seems like an argument for signing a veteran and giving James a year of seasoning.

The flip side is that he's 27, so you can't let him season too long.

Well technically he is a seasoned veteran...

Bayliss · 07-23-2012, 10:50 PM

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t's not like you lose James if you let him play a season in Europe, though. "Bigs take time to develop" seems like an argument for signing a veteran and giving James a year of seasoning.

The flip side is that he's 27, so you can't let him season too long.

And I'm one of those people that feel players gain more "experience" while being on the team than in D-League or some European league. The NBA is by far the fastest league in the world. It has the best athletes. There are a few nuances that Europe can teach a player. But the only way that a player will adjust to the NBA is to be immersed in it. If that means being stuck on the bench? That player will still get to compete in practice against other NBA players. He will get instruction from the coaching staff for the team he plays for. And he gets to see it first hand.

I am not talking about players that were already great and were stashed a la Splitter/Manu/Scola.... how many that were stashed away ever became anything? I don't even know a single Maverick that the Mavs have brought over here when they have stashed much less them becoming good.

b_o_r · 07-24-2012, 06:29 AM

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And I'm one of those people that feel players gain more "experience" while being on the team than in D-League or some European league. The NBA is by far the fastest league in the world. It has the best athletes. There are a few nuances that Europe can teach a player. But the only way that a player will adjust to the NBA is to be immersed in it. If that means being stuck on the bench? That player will still get to compete in practice against other NBA players. He will get instruction from the coaching staff for the team he plays for. And he gets to see it first hand.

I am not talking about players that were already great and were stashed a la Splitter/Manu/Scola.... how many that were stashed away ever became anything? I don't even know a single Maverick that the Mavs have brought over here when they have stashed much less them becoming good.

Ricky Rubio says Hi. Gerald Green became a different player starting in the Dleague/playing in Europe instead of not knowing when he was going to play in the NBA. Basketball is basketball no matter where it is played. A good player will adjust to the speed/physicality at which the game is played in time. Draft picks have been doing that every year. As long as you are playing and not sitting on a bench, you will get better.

In the immortal words of Iverson, "We talking about practice". You ever watch them practice. Some guys are over in a corner playing a game of horse. Some are in the corner practicing there free throws or jumpshot. Some are getting one on one lessons from a coach. Then there is a 30 minute/hr scrimmage where half the guys don't give a damn. Practice builds comradery amongst teammates but is sure hell isn't going to teach you the nuances of the game. You learn that in competitive matches.

markus1234 · 07-24-2012, 06:33 AM

Still only two guys voted no ? ...me and....

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-24-2012, 09:12 AM

The only real issue is the fact that the team is stock full of combo guards. If I was worried about back-up pg and didn't trust Roddy, then I'd probably try to find a more "pure" pass first pg if you could. Not easy to find.

Kante · 07-24-2012, 09:15 AM

I would love to have him back, question is how many minutes can he get?

Budapest Maverick · 07-24-2012, 10:52 AM

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Still only two guys voted no ? ...me and....

Me, but i understand why everybody voted yes, West was all right last year, and he said the right things. I just think developing Roddy could still benefit the Mavs big time. West is what it is, if we would be one backup point away from being the favorites, i would want him back, but that's obviously not the case.

MavsFTR · 07-24-2012, 12:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_y4F...e_gdata_player

dallasmavsnews · 07-24-2012, 05:12 PM

I think we sort of NEED west.

Kidd Karma · 07-24-2012, 05:18 PM

Lakers jump in on the West rumor list.

iella · 07-24-2012, 05:20 PM

EDIT: Wrong thread