Official Lebron, Wade, Bosh FA watch thread.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

According to his agent, Wade was in Chicago this past weekend...whoops.....

"However, this report of a summit over the weekend in Miami involving Dwyane is untrue. He was here in Chicago with his kids and when he left town on Sunday, he was not headed back to Miami."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,1291088.story


It's ok though...tomorrow the Nets get to be the team that lands all three stars.....

[MavsX]

i really will be pissed off if lebron, wade and bosh get together on one team.

[KINGBEEF]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

According to this agent, Wade was in Chicago this past weekend...whoops.....

"However, this report of a summit over the weekend in Miami involving Dwyane is untrue. He was here in Chicago with his kids and when he left town on Sunday, he was not headed back to Miami."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,1291088.story


It's ok though...tomorrow the Nets get to be the team that lands all three stars.....

i mean do these guys have us by the balls or what?

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by MavsX

i really will be pissed off if lebron, wade and bosh get together on one team.

it would be bad for basketball if they did

[MavsX]

Originally Posted by mac222b

it would be bad for basketball if they did

I know, that's what i'm saying. It would be worse than the ridiculous BS trade that the lakers got when they get gasol. Look what happened with that crap. 2 back to back titles.

[LonghornDub]

chrisbosh

After all these years... Just 24 hrs left..... Wow. I'm getting anxious.

Doesn't sound like a guy who believes that there's some magical deal with Miami all wrapped up.

[Windmill360]

Sounds like a guy who's been wanting to leave Toronto, "after all these years".

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Windmill360

Sounds like a guy who's been wanting to leave Toronto, "after all these years".

Yeah, it really does. He's the one guy you get the feeling is absolutely going to a new team no matter what.

[LonghornDub]

Paul Pierce also opting out. This just keeps getting better.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba...ory?id=5341636

[quietsavant]

This is getting fun.

Despite discussing a contract extension with Carmelo Anthony, sources close to the situation indicate the Nuggets would rather trade him than risk losing him in free agency for nothing.

The Nuggets are attempting to be proactive by securing Anthony to an extension this summer. He will become a free agent on July 1, 2011 if he doesn't sign an extension.

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_15405631?

[Windmill360]

Now that one is totally BS IMO.

[GuerillaBlack]

"Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo told a Toronto radio station he thinks Bosh “likely” will leave the team. Should Bosh decide to sign elsewhere, Colangelo also said the Raptors will try to engage in a sign-and-trade deal to bring the franchise some measure of compensation.

Sources said the Raptors will try to acquire draft picks and young players in return for Bosh. They would likely ask for forward Michael Beasley(notes) and point guard Mario Chalmers(notes) in any deal with the Miami Heat. If Bosh were to go to the Chicago Bulls, the Raptors like forward Taj Gibson(notes) and center Joakim Noah(notes), though Noah could prove impossible to pry from Chicago. If Bosh settles on the New York Knicks, the Raptors would try to engage in a double sign-and-trade that sends Knicks forward David Lee(notes) to Toronto.

Sources called a potential sign-and-trade with the Los Angeles Lakers “doubtful.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...boshwade062910

[Dirkenstien]

Dan Lebatard is saying Bosh to Miami is a done deal. Teams agree in principle:

http://twitter.com/lebatardshow

I hear bosh-miami is done ..bosh-wade shared agent avoids tampering...its why beasley, chalmers, anthony still here...raptors get them

agree in principle...process plays out...pat riley got scorched on juwan howard but wade and bosh are just dealing with their agent

And then there's this:
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...#ixzz0sLSBQf4q

LeBron Says His People Are Putting Together 'Dream Team' In Miami
LeBron James already recruited one player to join him, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami, according to Frank Isola.

"He said, 'Would you be willing to take less to join Dream Team?'" the unidentified player told the New York Daily News. "He said his people were putting it together."

So, Cleveland ... you still feeling pretty cocky? Still unwilling to consider S&T possibilities?

Like I said, once Lebron is on the cusp of leaving their management will be inclined to change that tough guy approach. Well, that is unless they want to lose Lebron for nothing and deal with the Miami "Dream Team" for the next half decade and beyond.

[Maringa]

The only way to overcome the Bird Right's issue is to do some backdoor, NBA illegal deal in which Lebron is offered the difference in terms of real estate, non-cash compensation through 3rd party, endorsement deals, etc...and threaten/buy off Stern to not interfere...Miami is a pretty crooked town....

[SMC0007]

lebatard is full of chit. He don't know anything, even if he gets lucky with this one. He is a Miami guy.

[BGMaverick9]

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/p...p-room-summary

solid update by the wizard, Mr. Larry Coon

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Dan Lebatard is saying Bosh to Miami is a done deal. Teams agree in principle:

Very suspect considering Miami isn't even allowed to talk to Bosh until tomorrow. They agreed in principle without talking?

Or maybe he's insinuating that going through their shared agent and avoiding "tampering" allowed them to talk to Bosh before July 1st, which isn't true either.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Very suspect considering Miami isn't even allowed to talk to Bosh until tomorrow. They agreed in principle without talking?

Or maybe he's insinuating that going through their shared agent and avoiding "tampering" allowed them to talk to Bosh before July 1st, which isn't true either.

making up sh!t is fun
We'll see starting tonight

[Dirkenstien]

Good points and probably nothing more than a rumor but it is something to consider.

[grndmstr_c]

My suspicion is that Miami has talked to Toronto about Bosh (which as I understand things is perfectly legal) and has reached an agreement in principle about what would be required to ensure Toronto's participation in a S&T. That still leaves open the question of whether Bosh will end up deciding to go there, but I can certainly see it as an attractive destination for him.

Edit: I'm sure Toronto has had discussions with other teams as well, including the Mavs.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

My suspicion is that Miami has talked to Toronto about Bosh (which as I understand things is perfectly legal) and has reached an agreement in principle about what would be required to ensure Toronto's participation in a S&T. That still leaves open the question of whether Bosh will end up deciding to go there, but I can certainly see it as an attractive destination for him.

Edit: I'm sure Toronto has had discussions with other teams as well, including the Mavs.

Yeah, it doesn't appear to be tampering for management to discuss potential trade scenarios with other teams' management.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/s...,3801207.story

Team executives are prohibited from discussing outside free agents before the midnight start of the free-agency period. However, the Sun Sentinel did confirm through the league office that teams are allowed to discuss possible sign-and-trade parameters in advance. Heat President Pat Riley has said he would make such discussions a priority.

Therefore, even if the Heat and Raptors have struck such an agreement, Bosh would still need to sign off on such an agreement. Under no circumstance could such a subject be broached with Bosh prior to July 1 without creating the consequences of severe NBA sanctions.

So essentially a scenario could be in place by management that could land Bosh in Miami but Bosh can't know about it until midnight tonight. This would correlate with Bosh's tweet about being anxious. He must have the impression that something is in the works but not know exactly what yet.

[EricaLubarsky]

If everyone goes to Miami I will laugh heartily

and then cry that I even care about the laugh-fest that is the NBA

and then I'd laugh some more

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

My suspicion is that Miami has talked to Toronto about Bosh (which as I understand things is perfectly legal) and has reached an agreement in principle about what would be required to ensure Toronto's participation in a S&T. That still leaves open the question of whether Bosh will end up deciding to go there, but I can certainly see it as an attractive destination for him.

Edit: I'm sure Toronto has had discussions with other teams as well, including the Mavs.

This isn't an "agreement in principle," though. You can't have an agreement in principle without one of the parties to the agreement even knowing any of the terms.

Unless they've broken the rules, it is entirely impossible for any team other than the Raptors themselves to have an agreement in principle for signing Bosh.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

This isn't an "agreement in principle," though. You can't have an agreement in principle without one of the parties to the agreement even knowing any of the terms.

Unless they've broken the rules, it is entirely impossible for any team other than the Raptors themselves to have an agreement in principle for signing Bosh.

Bosh most likely gave Colangelo a list of teams he's interested in and informed him that if he could work a S&T he would be willing to go through with it.

They can have a deal in principle set up, but of course it will be ultimately barring the approval of Bosh which they probably assume won't be a problem.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Bosh most likely gave Colangelo a list of teams he's interested in and informed him that if he could work a S&T he would be willing to go through with it.

They can have a deal in principle set up, but of course it will be ultimately barring the approval of Bosh which they probably assume won't be a problem.

But that's not an agreement in principle, that's exactly my point. It's bad reporting on that guy's part. You cannot have an agreement in principle until Bosh himself has heard and agreed verbally to at least a rough outline of the terms with his new team. Anything short of that is nowhere near an "agreement in principle."

[grndmstr_c]

LD, I don't know if you're just haggling over semantics, but I stand by my contention. Miami, or any other team, could very easily have everything already settled with Toronto concerning what they'd give up in a S&T for Bosh without having started contract negotiations. It may not be an agreement in principle that includes all the necessary parties, but it can obviously be an agreement in principle about how the teams would handle their business with one another should Miami and Bosh be able to agree to terms on Bosh's new deal.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

But that's not an agreement in principle, that's exactly my point. It's bad reporting on that guy's part. You cannot have an agreement in principle until Bosh himself has heard and agreed verbally to at least a rough outline of the terms with his new team. Anything short of that is nowhere near an "agreement in principle."

Bold: The big story for the lead-up to free agency.

[Dirkenstien]

This brings up another question, though. If Wade gets his extra $30m by resigning with Miami and Bosh gets his extra $30m via S&T, that leaves the best player in the FA class, Lebron, as the only guy taking a pay cut. I don't see that happening or can at least see potential for ego issues.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

This brings up another question, though. If Wade gets his extra $30m by resigning with Miami and Bosh gets his extra $30m via S&T, that leaves the best player in the FA class, Lebron, as the only guy taking a pay cut. I don't see that happening or can at least see potential for ego issues.

Lebron's not going anywhere without a SnT. Book it.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

LD, I don't know if you're just haggling over semantics, but I stand by my contention. Miami, or any other team, could very easily have everything already settled with Toronto concerning what they'd give up in a S&T for Bosh without having started contract negotiations. It may not be an agreement in principle that includes all the necessary parties, but it can obviously be an agreement in principle about how the teams would handle their business with one another should Miami and Bosh be able to agree to terms on Bosh's new deal.

That's reading a whole lot into "agreement in principle for Bosh to go to Miami," which is what the guy twittered.

What you just said, while maybe true, requires a lot of assumptions on your part and nevertheless is not an agreement in principle for Bosh to go to Miami. Again, it's bad reporting on that guy's part. I wouldn't say it's "sematics"--if you call something an agreement in principle and it's not, that's more than an error in semantics.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Lebron's not going anywhere without a SnT. Book it.

Well I just wonder if Miami working a S&T for Bosh would actually hurt their chances?

Lebron's the best player in the league and the star of this FA class, yet he'll be making less than two players on his own team when it's all said and done. Maybe if Wade says he'll also take less (equal to what Lebron agrees to) then that would make it easier for him.

It may not be a dealbreaker but it adds another dynamic to the situation. Like you said, though, S&T is definitely the best option and if Cleveland is going to work a S&T why not send him out West to a team that can give you more in return.

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Well I just wonder if Miami working a S&T for Bosh would actually hurt their chances?

Lebron's the best player in the league and the star of this FA class, yet he'll be making less than two players on his own team when it's all said and done. Maybe if Wade says he'll also take less (equal to what Lebron agrees to) then that would make it easier for him.

It may not be a dealbreaker but it adds another dynamic to the situation. Like you said, though, S&T is definitely the best option and if Cleveland is going to work a S&T why not send him out West to a team that can give you more in return.

What does Miami have that Cleveland would really even want? Do you really want to help someone take your best player off your hands when all you get back is a headcase like Beasley in return? Considering that the Cavs don't seem very receptive to the sign and trade idea, I'm not sure Beasley is going to change their minds.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by FINtastic

What does Miami have Cleveland would really even want? Do you really want to help someone take your best player off your hands when all you get back is a headcase like Beasley in return? Considering that the Cavs don't seem very receptive to the sign and trade idea, I'm not sure Beasley is going to change their minds.

Yeah Miami doesn't appear to have much, and if they do a S&T with Toronto they will have pretty much no one else under contract.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

That's reading a whole lot into "agreement in principle for Bosh to go to Miami," which is what the guy twittered.

What you just said, while maybe true, requires a lot of assumptions on your part and nevertheless is not an agreement in principle for Bosh to go to Miami. Again, it's bad reporting on that guy's part. I wouldn't say it's "sematics"--if you call something an agreement in principle and it's not, that's more than an error in semantics.

Perhaps you misunderstand me. The original reports about Bosh to Miami being a done deal struck me as B.S. I tried to make a reasonable inference about how the story could be both true and false. The notion that Miami and Toronto had reached an agreement and would have a scenario to present to Bosh tonight was my best guess because it's in the neighborhood of the report, it wouldn't entail any illegality, and it makes plenty of sense for Bosh to be interested in Miami and for him to have communicated that to Toronto. Simple as that. I'm not getting sucked in by bad reporting. I'm trying to read between the lines of the bad reporting to get a sense of what might actually be going on.

[BGMaverick9]

Apparently Cleveland is in negotiations for the new coach: Byron Scott

The speculative person would suggest he ready to jump on that job b/c he knows something...or not.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5344512

[GuerillaBlack]

Early today, a Twitter post from Rockets general manager Daryl Morey said: "Just finished meeting with @chrisbosh - great player & person. He is about winning so I focused on how w/Houston he can win a championship."

The Miami Heat appeared to be in position to reach a rapid agreement to sign Bosh, the Rockets’ primary target, with a sign-and-trade deal with the Toronto Raptors. However, the 6-10 forward indicated Wednesday through third-party intermediaries he "definitely" would consider the Rockets and specifically cited an interest in playing with Yao Ming and the chance to play on "a world stage," a person with knowledge of Bosh’s planning said.

With Bosh’s input, the Raptors have worked out the framework of sign-and-trade agreements with several teams, including the Rockets, the individual said, but have not been told to complete any deal.

"I'm happy we had the chance to meet with Chris to put our best foot forward and he could learn about the Rockets," said Morey, who met with Bosh in Dallas. "It's an important time for both teams and free agents. I'm glad he has the chance to consider what we have to offer. We think with Chris, we can win a championship in Houston."

One of Morey’s arguments for the Rockets is that their deep roster will offer Bosh a better chance to win than a Miami or New York Knicks roster gutted to create the salary-cap room needed to sign free agents.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7088998.html

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7088998.html

Houston definitely has better pieces to offer in a S&T but is it Bosh's first choice? It seems to me he'd want to use this opportunity to play with a superstar and Ming is just too big of a question mark at the moment.

[GuerillaBlack]

Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Houston definitely has better pieces to offer in a S&T but is it Bosh's first choice? It seems to me he'd want to use this opportunity to play with a superstar and Ming is just too big of a question mark at the moment.

Well....

The Miami Heat seemed to be in position to reach a rapid agreement to sign Bosh, the Rockets’ primary target, with a sign-and-trade deal with the Toronto Raptors. Bosh, however, indicated through third-party intermediaries he “definitely” would consider the Rockets and specifically cited an interest in playing with Yao Ming and the chance to play on “a world stage,” a person with knowledge of his planning said.

The Rockets had hoped Bosh would be most driven to find a team with which he would win quickly, giving general manager Daryl Morey a chance to argue that the Rockets’ deep roster would offer a better chance than a Heat or New York Knicks roster gutted to create the salary-cap room needed to sign free agents.

Whether Morey might still get the chance to make that case was unclear. With Bosh’s input, the Raptors had worked out the framework of sign-and-trade deals with several teams, including the Rockets, the individual said, but had not been told to complete a deal.

The Rockets, however, had to get in line behind teams with cap room. They expected that, but it does not make waiting easier.

“For us, the free agents would have to move through a sign-and-trade,” Morey said. “The agents are focusing on the teams with room. That’s to leverage their original teams so they can go through sign-and-trade where they maximize their money. The free agents will make $30 million more through sign-and-trade.

“I think they’ll all look at us. It’s such a big decision for all the free agents. They’re making a five- or six-year decision. I think they’ll all very carefully evaluate their options.”

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7088998.html

Would be so ironic if the Rockets got Bosh because of Jordan Hill.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

Well....



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7088998.html

Would be so ironic if the Rockets got Bosh because of Jordan Hill.

Looks like yall might have a solid chance. Bosh would be a tremendous acquisition for Houston and I think Toronto would be much more inclined to make a deal with yall.

[Windmill360]

http://espn.go.com/nba/