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[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Fluid and dub, that's how I initially took it as well, that the last "dream" was indeed limbo. And yes, i get that limbo was shared dreamspace. But they did also state that dying in the sedated dream brings you to limbo, not that you dream your way there. I think there is evidence to support both theories. Actually on the fence about it myself.

Is this the debate? Because I agree with you. I don't think you "dream" your way there. But the way they explained it, it's a shared space for everyone who dies while in a dream, much like "real" limbo in religion and mythology is a shared space of purgatory for anyone who dies in real life.

Maybe I'm not fully understanding the discussion/disagreement here, because it actually sounds like we're all saying the same things...

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Is this the debate? Because I agree with you. I don't think you "dream" your way there.

Right, we agree that death takes you to limbo. but what makes it debatable in terms of the movie is that Cobb and Ariadne don't die or hook themselves up to Fischer (i am 99.99999999% positive on this), so they are actually entering Cobb's dream.

So here is some evidence that could point to Limbo:
- Wash up on shore
- Cobb says Saito will be there soon (but is he only saying that because he knows he himself will die from the stab wound? Yes, I know he eventually dies from the drowning)
- Ariadne and Fischer actually die to move back up to Snow Dream
- Cobb does not wake up in Snow Dream with the explosives kick (he has to die in limbo to come back up)


Here is some evidence that could point to not Limbo:
- Fischer actually wakes up from the Defibrillator kick
- Ariadne actually wakes up from the explosives kick (both of their falls are of no consequence as they happen as the upper kicks occur)
- Cobb and Ariadne do not hook themselves to Fischer, but to Cobb (this is the big one. Again, i don't remember them being hooked up to Fischer at any time. (If they do (or say that they have) hook themselves up to Fischer, i am 100% in the Limbo boat. Unless, like i jokingly said in a post before, why is a machine even needed to go into another dream? The machine is just a dream at that point).


did i miss anything?

[Big Boy Laroux]

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Winner.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Right, we agree that death takes you to limbo. but what makes it debatable in terms of the movie is that Cobb and Ariadne don't die or hook themselves up to Fischer (i am 99.99999999% positive on this), so they are actually entering Cobb's dream.

So here is some evidence that could point to Limbo:
- Wash up on shore
- Cobb says Saito will be there soon (but is he only saying that because he knows he himself will die from the stab wound? Yes, I know he eventually dies from the drowning)
- Ariadne and Fischer actually die to move back up to Snow Dream
- Cobb does not wake up in Snow Dream with the explosives kick (he has to die in limbo to come back up)


Here is some evidence that could point to not Limbo:
- Fischer actually wakes up from the Defibrillator kick
- Ariadne actually wakes up from the explosives kick (both of their falls are of no consequence as they happen as the upper kicks occur)
- Cobb and Ariadne do not hook themselves to Fischer, but to Cobb (this is the big one. Again, i don't remember them being hooked up to Fischer at any time. (If they do (or say that they have) hook themselves up to Fischer, i am 100% in the Limbo boat. Unless, like i jokingly said in a post before, why is a machine even needed to go into another dream? The machine is just a dream at that point).


did i miss anything?

I see what you mean now. Interesting. I'll have to look at this when I see it again sometime.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

A genius or a hack director with no concern for plot holes.

For the record, I have liked all the movies of his I've seen.

Which ones have you not seen? A lot of people haven't seen his debut, "Following", which is a really excellent film.

[Big Boy Laroux]

I've seen all of them except "Insomnia". I have seen "Following", and liked it. LOVED "Memento" and "The Prestige".

And of course liked the Batman films.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

I've seen all of them except "Insomnia". I have seen "Following", and liked it. LOVED "Memento" and "The Prestige".

And of course liked the Batman films.

Insomnia rules.

[Thespiralgoeson]

I thought this was pretty hilarious.



To quote Weird Al Yankovic, "I think the studios should give M. Night Shyamalan just 30 or 40 more chances to make another good movie- then THAT'S IT.

[Big Boy Laroux]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Insomnia rules.

Yeah, i'm not opposed to seeing it. Just never have.

[LonghornDub]

The Happening is one of the worst big-budget Hollywood films I've ever seen. It was astoundingly bad. Not just "Oh, that really sucked," but so bad that I was actually surprised that it could possibly be that bad.

[GermanDunk]

Insomnia is really good, but i only know the original. It´s from sweden or so ...

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I thought this was pretty hilarious.

To quote Weird Al Yankovic, "I think the studios should give M. Night Shyamalan just 30 or 40 more chances to make another good movie- then THAT'S IT.

I'd switch Unbreakable and Signs, which is closer to the trend line.

[Nash13]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

The Happening is one of the worst big-budget Hollywood films I've ever seen. It was astoundingly bad. Not just "Oh, that really sucked," but so bad that I was actually surprised that it could possibly be that bad.

If u look at it like a comedy instead of suspense, then it's a little good. I always thought mark wahlberg was one of the better actors when it came to picking roles, but this movie let me down.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

The Happening is one of the worst big-budget Hollywood films I've ever seen. It was astoundingly bad. Not just "Oh, that really sucked," but so bad that I was actually surprised that it could possibly be that bad.

Then you've never seen Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland.

[Murphy3]

The Happening was actually a pretty dang good premise... but it was a terrible movie.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Then you've never seen Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland.

Actually I haven't, and I surely don't plan to.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Right, we agree that death takes you to limbo. but what makes it debatable in terms of the movie is that Cobb and Ariadne don't die or hook themselves up to Fischer (i am 99.99999999% positive on this), so they are actually entering Cobb's dream.

So here is some evidence that could point to Limbo:
- Wash up on shore
- Cobb says Saito will be there soon (but is he only saying that because he knows he himself will die from the stab wound? Yes, I know he eventually dies from the drowning)
- Ariadne and Fischer actually die to move back up to Snow Dream
- Cobb does not wake up in Snow Dream with the explosives kick (he has to die in limbo to come back up)


Here is some evidence that could point to not Limbo:
- Fischer actually wakes up from the Defibrillator kick
- Ariadne actually wakes up from the explosives kick (both of their falls are of no consequence as they happen as the upper kicks occur)
- Cobb and Ariadne do not hook themselves to Fischer, but to Cobb (this is the big one. Again, i don't remember them being hooked up to Fischer at any time. (If they do (or say that they have) hook themselves up to Fischer, i am 100% in the Limbo boat. Unless, like i jokingly said in a post before, why is a machine even needed to go into another dream? The machine is just a dream at that point).


did i miss anything?

Ok, so I saw it again tonight, and they definitely don't show them on screen hooking up to Fischer, but I've got to assume that's what they did. It's the only thing that really makes sense--they had to go there to "retrieve" his subconscious so that Eames could wake him up with the Defib (Leo has a line to the effect of, "You can't just wake him up with the defib--his mind's already there). The only way this makes any sense whatsoever is if they hooked up to him, since neither of them had "died" at that point and therefore gotten to Limbo that way.

And the other thing is that they're all hooked up to each other in real life, which technically is the only thing that matters. It'd be a violation of the standard procedure we see throughout the movie, but really they can enter limbo any way they want, since none of it is real anyway.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Then you've never seen Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jhmPK1uoJA

That pretty much sums up my feelings about Tim Burton.

[mcsluggo]

I like Tim Burton. You can argue that he does the same thing over and over, if you want... but since nobody else is doing THAT thing, it is still injecting something different into the mix.

Off the top of my head the movies of his that I have seen are Sweeny Todd, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas, PeeWee's Adventure, Ed Wood....

I liked all of them

[mcsluggo]

I saw "Sideways" last night. It was enjoyable, and i liked it.

[Big Boy Laroux]

MORE INCEPTION SPOILERS

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Ok, so I saw it again tonight, and they definitely don't show them on screen hooking up to Fischer, but I've got to assume that's what they did. It's the only thing that really makes sense--they had to go there to "retrieve" his subconscious so that Eames could wake him up with the Defib (Leo has a line to the effect of, "You can't just wake him up with the defib--his mind's already there). The only way this makes any sense whatsoever is if they hooked up to him, since neither of them had "died" at that point and therefore gotten to Limbo that way.

And the other thing is that they're all hooked up to each other in real life, which technically is the only thing that matters. It'd be a violation of the standard procedure we see throughout the movie, but really they can enter limbo any way they want, since none of it is real anyway.

I do agree that it would make sense that they went into Fischer's head, and that it actually was limbo. But not showing it is super confusing. Cobb and Ariadne are not even close to his body when they go in, and they show Fischer waking up from the Defib not being attached to anything or anyone. I don't need to see them actually hook up the tubes. One scene of them laying next to fischer would be enough.

Yes, I know it's all a dream at that point, so why even need a machine (I made that point earlier). But the movie spends a large amount of time creating rules/steps/processes only to just abandon them at the end.

Thanks for confirming what happened in the scene.

[bernardos70]

Anyone at all excited to see Machete? This movie has great potential:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8rslIZV85U

[Flacolaco]

Wife made me watch the American Airlines commercial "Up in the air" the other day.

"Meh."

The young brunette was marginally cute. Otherwise it was an uninspiring story that ended rather abruptly and seemingly without resolution.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

MORE INCEPTION SPOILERS




I do agree that it would make sense that they went into Fischer's head, and that it actually was limbo. But not showing it is super confusing. Cobb and Ariadne are not even close to his body when they go in, and they show Fischer waking up from the Defib not being attached to anything or anyone. I don't need to see them actually hook up the tubes. One scene of them laying next to fischer would be enough.

Yes, I know it's all a dream at that point, so why even need a machine (I made that point earlier). But the movie spends a large amount of time creating rules/steps/processes only to just abandon them at the end.

Thanks for confirming what happened in the scene.

It's certainly an awkward/implausible explanation--"Hey, let's go lay over here 10 feet away from him, but hook ourselves up to him. And let's not show what we're doing." But that's all I got.

[Big Boy Laroux]

oh hey can you confirm one more thing, if you remember? When did they state that Eames needed to blow up the snow fort to create a kick? Was it before they decided to go after Fischer?

The reason I ask is because my initial plot hole was the whole "we need a kick at the level above and the level we're on" thing.

[CadBane]

Saw "The American" tonight. Great movie. Very Jim Jarmusch feel to it. Not for average American audiences (4 people walked out...due to lack of explosions I suppose).

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

oh hey can you confirm one more thing, if you remember? When did they state that Eames needed to blow up the snow fort to create a kick? Was it before they decided to go after Fischer?

The reason I ask is because my initial plot hole was the whole "we need a kick at the level above and the level we're on" thing.

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure they don't actually mention him needing to give a kick until after they decided to go after Fischer. But the thing is, they had the chargers with them, presumably for some reason...so if you need the kick a level above, and they went in not knowing they'd have to go after Fischer, why would they even have the charges?

[Big Boy Laroux]

exactly. that was my only real beef with the "kicks" in the movie, then we got off onto the "was it limbo" thing.

[bernardos70]

Just got back from watching Machete. IMO, movie of the year.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

I like Tim Burton. You can argue that he does the same thing over and over, if you want... but since nobody else is doing THAT thing, it is still injecting something different into the mix.

Off the top of my head the movies of his that I have seen are Sweeny Todd, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas, PeeWee's Adventure, Ed Wood....

I liked all of them

Other than Sweeny Todd (which I didn't like), all of the movies you named are more than 15 years old. Ever since Ed Wood it's all been the same recycled mediocre crap. Yeah, nobody else is doing that thing, but what if that thing is boring and uninspired?

Off the top of my head, the movies he's made in the past 10-12 years are

Sleepy Hollow
Planet of the Apes
Big Fish
The Corpse Bride
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Sweeney Todd
Alice in Wonderland

Same re-hash, sh*tty remake or adaptation over and over again. Okay, he branched out a little with Big Fish, but even that was almost a decade ago now (and I thought that movie was way overrated anyway.) And yes, The Corpse Bride was technically an original movie, but why the hell would anyone watch that movie when they can just watch The Nightmare Before Christmas. Burton just strikes me as one of those people who started off as a real artist and sort of became a hack. His films have basically become Burton by numbers. Believe me, I used to be the biggest Tim Burton fan you'd ever meet, but it has been a very long time since he's made something I thought was worth watching.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Other than Sweeny Todd (which I didn't like), all of the movies you named are more than 15 years old. Ever since Ed Wood it's all been the same recycled mediocre crap. Yeah, nobody else is doing that thing, but what if that thing is boring and uninspired?

Off the top of my head, the movies he's made in the past 10-12 years are

Sleepy Hollow
Planet of the Apes
Big Fish
The Corpse Bride
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Sweeney Todd
Alice in Wonderland

Same re-hash, sh*tty remake or adaptation over and over again. Okay, he branched out a little with Big Fish, but even that was almost a decade ago now (and I thought that movie was way overrated anyway.) And yes, The Corpse Bride was technically an original movie, but why the hell would anyone watch that movie when they can just watch The Nightmare Before Christmas. Burton just strikes me as one of those people who started off as a real artist and sort of became a hack. His films have basically become Burton by numbers. Believe me, I used to be the biggest Tim Burton fan you'd ever meet, but it has been a very long time since he's made something I thought was worth watching.

He has sucked recently but he will always get a pass from me for making the first two batman movies that were AWESOME.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

He has sucked recently but he will always get a pass from me for making the first two batman movies that were AWESOME.

Point taken. He will always have a special place in my heart for making me a lifelong Batman fan.

[Kirobaito]

I went and bought several used movies. Tonight I'm watching I'm Not There, aka the Bob Dylan movie where half a dozen people play different conceptions of his persona.

I must say it was the, erm, "artsiest" film I've ever seen. It may take several watches for me to fully absorb it. It all makes good sense to me except for the Richard Gere portion, which I get on the surface but don't see the real use in. I liked the Phil Ochs reference the Cate Blanchett character makes, because it's so rare to see Phil (possibly my favorite artist, ever) get any mention anywhere, just as it was during his life.

When I get the time I'll watch Good Night and Good Luck. The other two I got were Frost/Nixon and A Mighty Wind, both of which I have already seen.

[fluid.forty.one]

Just watched "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo".. it was really, really good.

[Usually Lurkin]

Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan



KHHHHHHAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!!

[Male30Dan]

Just watched the original Wallstreet for the first time last night in anticipation of the new one.

[DirkFTW]

Date Night got me laughing.

[Flacolaco]

Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan



KHHHHHHAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!!

The first star trek move is unwatchable.

The second one is one of the greatest Sci Fi movies of all time.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

The first star trek move is unwatchable.

The second one is one of the greatest Sci Fi movies of all time.

This times a million. One of those rare occurrences where the sequel was better than the first.