Krugman on why the debates won't be a game changer for Romney - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SeanL · 09-29-2012, 05:11 PM

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Third — and this is prospective — people now invoking the 2004 debates as an example of game-changers (Kerry cut dramatically into a big Bush lead) are, I suspect, failing to remember what happened in that first debate, which was that Bush came across as a total idiot. I suppose this could happen to Obama, but it would certainly be out of character.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...C03D1765664267

dude1394 · 09-29-2012, 08:05 PM

Why are you posting propaganda?

SeanL · 09-29-2012, 08:22 PM

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Why are you posting propaganda?

Well actually it is an opinion piece and it is presented as such. Propaganda would be presenting slanted or even false information as objective reporting.

It is up to you as to whether you agree with his analysis (though I suspect you won't).

dude1394 · 09-30-2012, 01:43 AM

If its krugman, it's propaganda.

chumdawg · 09-30-2012, 02:42 AM

Krugman regardless, the point remains that Romney probably needs Obama to back up to him. It will be awfully hard for Romney to move in the other direction. It would be hard for anyone, in these circumstances. Seems almost impossible for the cardboard cutout Romney.

SeanL · 09-30-2012, 12:19 PM

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If its krugman, it's propaganda.

I don't think you understand what the word propaganda means.

dude1394 · 10-05-2012, 02:12 AM

Turns out I did.

SeanL · 10-05-2012, 01:47 PM

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Turns out I did.

Gallup has Obama up by 5 today (a net gain of +1). So about that game change...

dude1394 · 10-06-2012, 11:40 AM

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Gallup has Obama up by 5 today (a net gain of +1). So about that game change...

Rasmussen has Romney up 2 over Bo, what's your point?

SeanL · 10-06-2012, 01:16 PM

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Rasmussen has Romney up 2 over Bo, what's your point?

I didn't realize Ras was a serious pollster. Since 2004 they have been way off relative to other pollsters.

dude1394 · 10-06-2012, 10:59 PM

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I didn't realize Ras was a serious pollster. Since 2004 they have been way off relative to other pollsters.

If you are taking krugman as a honest broker, I don't doubt it.

"According to Politico, "Rasmussen’s final poll of the 2008 general election — showing Obama defeating Arizona Sen. John McCain 52 percent to 46 percent — closely mirrored the election’s outcome."[40] In reference to the 2008 presidential election, a Talking Points Memo article said, "Rasmussen's final polls had Obama ahead 52%-46%, which was nearly identical to Obama's final margin of 53%-46%, and made him one of the most accurate pollsters out there."[41"

dude1394 · 10-06-2012, 11:01 PM

And again...what's your point?

"PPP's newest Wisconsin poll finds a big debate bump for Mitt Romney in the state. Two weeks ago he trailed Barack Obama by 7 points there, 52-45. Now he's pulled to within two points, with Obama's lead now just 49-47.

There's not much doubt it was Romney's strong debate performance on Wednesday night that's given him this boost. Voters think he won the debate by a 61/25 margin, including a 60/19 margin with independents. 95% of Republicans think Romney won the debate, while only 50% of Democrats claim to think Obama was the winner. Romney's image has seen significant improvement over the last couple weeks with 49% of voters now expressing a positive opinion of him to 48% with a negative one. That's up a net 8 points from a 44/51 spread on our last poll."

SeanL · 10-07-2012, 03:26 PM

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If you are taking krugman as a honest broker, I don't doubt it.

"According to Politico, "Rasmussen’s final poll of the 2008 general election — showing Obama defeating Arizona Sen. John McCain 52 percent to 46 percent — closely mirrored the election’s outcome."[40] In reference to the 2008 presidential election, a Talking Points Memo article said, "Rasmussen's final polls had Obama ahead 52%-46%, which was nearly identical to Obama's final margin of 53%-46%, and made him one of the most accurate pollsters out there."[41"

Every pollster had Obama beating McCain by a similar margin. And in the most recent election Ras was god awful:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...rmed-strongly/

SeanL · 10-07-2012, 03:29 PM

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And again...what's your point?

"PPP's newest Wisconsin poll finds a big debate bump for Mitt Romney in the state. Two weeks ago he trailed Barack Obama by 7 points there, 52-45. Now he's pulled to within two points, with Obama's lead now just 49-47.

There's not much doubt it was Romney's strong debate performance on Wednesday night that's given him this boost. Voters think he won the debate by a 61/25 margin, including a 60/19 margin with independents. 95% of Republicans think Romney won the debate, while only 50% of Democrats claim to think Obama was the winner. Romney's image has seen significant improvement over the last couple weeks with 49% of voters now expressing a positive opinion of him to 48% with a negative one. That's up a net 8 points from a 44/51 spread on our last poll."

While Obama's margin shrank. It did not shrink by a whole lot. According to real clear politics Obama's lead shrank by just 2%. And with the new job numbers Obama is likely to stay ahead.

The Ghost of Championship · 10-10-2012, 08:33 AM

Classic campaign strategy by Saint Romney. This pitbull just started fighting when Obama's already old and worn out. His only job is to turn on a little charm, destroy Obama in the debates (easy enough), and convince Ohio that he won't cut taxes on the rich while focusing on the middle (which is what he fully intends).

Let's hope he builds some traction and we have a leader back in the WH for the first time since Slick Willy. Be nice to have another moderate democrat at the reigns.

The Ghost of Championship · 10-10-2012, 08:34 AM

Oh, and poll watching is for chumps, just like box score ballin'.

dude1394 · 10-10-2012, 08:07 PM

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While Obama's margin shrank. It did not shrink by a whole lot. According to real clear politics Obama's lead shrank by just 2%. And with the new job numbers Obama is likely to stay ahead.

Obamas sinking like the titanic.

dude1394 · 10-10-2012, 08:08 PM

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Classic campaign strategy by Saint Romney. This pitbull just started fighting when Obama's already old and worn out. His only job is to turn on a little charm, destroy Obama in the debates (easy enough), and convince Ohio that he won't cut taxes on the rich while focusing on the middle (which is what he fully intends).

Let's hope he builds some traction and we have a leader back in the WH for the first time since Slick Willy. Be nice to have another moderate democrat at the reigns.

It would beat our current Marxist.

mcsluggo · 10-11-2012, 02:45 PM

i think you have no earthly idea what that term means.

Ninkobei · 10-11-2012, 09:27 PM

chumdawg · 10-16-2012, 11:10 PM

My goodness. Obama whipped Romney's ass in the town hall debate.

Murphy3 · 10-17-2012, 06:20 AM

I thought Romney held his own although I would give the nod to Obama in that debate. It wasn't anywhere nearly as one sided as the first debate.

MavsFTR · 10-17-2012, 07:24 AM

The Libya moment was something to behold.

spreedom · 10-17-2012, 07:55 AM

Yeah I think Romney had a couple of significant gaffes last night that might actually have a bigger impact than the first debate.

SeanL · 10-17-2012, 03:24 PM

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I thought Romney held his own although I would give the nod to Obama in that debate. It wasn't anywhere nearly as one sided as the first debate.

Can't recall one gaffe Obama made in the first debate, although I can recall several Romney made last night.

ShaggyDirk · 10-17-2012, 05:10 PM

Anybody keep a binder full of women laying around the house for those lonely moments?

spreedom · 10-17-2012, 05:57 PM

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Can't recall one gaffe Obama made in the first debate, although I can recall several Romney made last night.

I think Obama would have been better off being aggressive and saying a couple of stupid things (ala Romney last night) than being a total wiener during the first debate.

SeanL · 10-17-2012, 06:29 PM

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I think Obama would have been better off being aggressive and saying a couple of stupid things (ala Romney last night) than being a total wiener during the first debate.

Unfortunately being angry and stupid like Romney does get you more political support in this country.

spreedom · 10-18-2012, 04:10 AM

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Unfortunately being angry and stupid like Romney does get you more political support in this country.

Yup. I'm honestly still pretty baffled by how egregiously he mailed in that first debate. It's baffling.

The Ghost of Championship · 10-18-2012, 05:24 AM

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Anybody keep a binder full of women laying around the house for those lonely moments?

Murphy3 · 10-18-2012, 05:56 AM

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Unfortunately being angry and stupid like Romney does get you more political support in this country.

Black and spineless... one didn't hurt Obama's chances of winning an election.. one helped.

MavsFTR · 10-18-2012, 04:23 PM

Because for the past 200 years being white did not help? Get that weak shit out of here.

SeanL · 10-18-2012, 06:34 PM

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Black and spineless... one didn't hurt Obama's chances of winning an election.. one helped.

Do you think Bin Laden's widow thinks Obama is spineless?

Ninkobei · 10-18-2012, 07:00 PM

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Do you think Bin Laden's widow thinks Obama is spineless?

The forums are a lot better place with Murphy on ignore. Then you get to see when people quote him and just laugh and laugh. Seriously though the guy is one of the best trolls i have ever come across.

dude1394 · 10-21-2012, 12:42 PM

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Krugman regardless, the point remains that Romney probably needs Obama to back up to him. It will be awfully hard for Romney to move in the other direction. It would be hard for anyone, in these circumstances. Seems almost impossible for the cardboard cutout Romney.

So this thread has proven at least two things, but actually sorta the same,

Chum and krugman don't know what they are talking about. Chum just was mistaken, krugman is a democrat operative who is an idiot.

chumdawg · 10-21-2012, 01:09 PM

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So this thread has proven at least two things, but actually sorta the same,

Chum and krugman don't know what they are talking about. Chum just was mistaken, krugman is a democrat operative who is an idiot.

I was indeed mistaken. I had no idea Romney had that in him. I give him much credit for it, and if he does win the election, it gives me reason for optimism.

dude1394 · 10-21-2012, 01:26 PM

It is interesting to see this much movement from a debate, I've never seen it before. I suspect that Obamas plan to demonize mitt prior to the convention when he really couldn't defend himself has backfired badly.

Mitts life has been exemplary and seeing him on the debate stage made many folks go hmmm,,,,exactly what kind of cramp has Obama been peddling. Getting mitt outside the media made up gaffe of the day has been huge.

Obamas lack of seriousness, big bird, romnesia, binders is not helping him now when folks are paying attention. Romney was able to show seriousness and the response was big bird crap.

SeanL · 10-21-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

So this thread has proven at least two things, but actually sorta the same,

Chum and krugman don't know what they are talking about. Chum just was mistaken, krugman is a democrat operative who is an idiot.

Krugman is a Clark's medal recipient and a Princeton professor. Calling him an idiot only reflects poorly on you.

SeanL · 10-21-2012, 08:32 PM

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It is interesting to see this much movement from a debate, I've never seen it before. I suspect that Obamas plan to demonize mitt prior to the convention when he really couldn't defend himself has backfired badly.

Mitts life has been exemplary and seeing him on the debate stage made many folks go hmmm,,,,exactly what kind of cramp has Obama been peddling. Getting mitt outside the media made up gaffe of the day has been huge.

Obamas lack of seriousness, big bird, romnesia, binders is not helping him now when folks are paying attention. Romney was able to show seriousness and the response was big bird crap.

Debates also showed Romney for what he is: a liar. Crowley calling him out on his lie will go down in the annals of debate history.

And the swing state polling has shown a bit of tightening, but not a whole lot. Obama will still probably sweep the electoral map. However, the popular vote may be tight because Romney will run up the score in the South, but that is inconsequential because the popular vote doesn't matter in our system.

dude1394 · 10-21-2012, 08:44 PM

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Debates also showed Romney for what he is: a liar. Crowley calling him out on his lie will go down in the annals of debate history.

And the swing state polling has shown a bit of tightening, but not a whole lot. Obama will still probably sweep the electoral map. However, the popular vote may be tight because Romney will run up the score in the South, but that is inconsequential because the popular vote doesn't matter in our system.

Blow it out your ear, the only thing Crowley did was show that she is in Obamas hip pocket. It's just like Clinton arguing the definition of is. Obama went on for weeks blaming the video..pathetic excuse for a president.

At least chum was honest enough to admit being incorrect but your Obama tingle is so strong that you won't even admit that Kaufman was wrong.