Dang that bush can't do nuthin' right

[dude1394]

polipundit

It’s the stupidity, economy!

Here’s some interesting data from several key states:

Florida:

Unemployment rate in August 2003 = 5.2
Unemployment rate in August 2004 = 4.5
Net W-2 job creation over past year = 155,400 new jobs

Wisconsin (10 electoral votes - Gore 2000):

Unemployment rate in August 2003 = 5.7
Unemployment rate in August 2004 = 4.8
Net W-2 job creation over past year = 44,200 new jobs

New Jersey (15 electoral votes - Gore 2000):

Unemployment rate in August 2003 = 5.9
Unemployment rate in August 2004 = 4.8
Net W-2 job creation over past year = 65,900 new jobs

Oregon (7 electoral votes - Gore 2000):

Unemployment rate in August 2003 = 8.4
Unemployment rate in August 2004 = 7.4
Net W-2 job creation over past year = 34,300 new jobs

Iowa (7 electoral votes - Gore 2000):

Unemployment rate in August 2003 = 4.6
Unemployment rate in August 2004 = 4.5
Net W-2 job creation over past year = 11,400 new jobs

Hmm.

Well, from Senator Kerry’s perspective, I guess there’s always the all-important credit card debate.

(Note: Raw employment data can be found here and here.)[/quote]

[reeds]

hmmmm..interesting that you are taking a span of one year... Why not from the time your Hero took office until right now??

Let me guess- 9/11 messed up all the numbers right? It just wouldnt be fair..It wasnt Bush's fault at all over all the jobs lost, yada yada yada...Bottom line- bigtime job losses since your hero took office...

[dude1394]

Weird that you would discount the clinton recession, the clinton corporate malfeasance scandals and the largest attack on US soil in our history.

But I guess to you 9/11 just didn't even happen. And hell if it did, we either deserved it or certainly weren't affected by it.

[Mavdog]

You need to get over your Clinton obsession. "Clinton corporate malfeasance scandals"? Guess you forgot Ken Lay was Dubya's "good friend" as Dubya put it
It will be interesting to see who you'll blame for problems if Bush wins a second term. I'm sure you'll come up with somebody..

[Drbio]

I see mavdork discounts 9/11 as well. Pathetic.

[MavKikiNYC]

FWIW, I saw tonight where 5.4% unemployment rate is the same as when Clinton ran for re-election in 1996.


I think that people who took exception to the mismanagement of the Clinton administration will get over him much faster than Bushophobes will begin to react sanely to Dubya's rock-solid leadership.

[reeds]

"Weird that you would discount the clinton recession, the clinton corporate malfeasance scandals and the largest attack on US soil in our history."

Dude- what was the SURPLUS (YES SURPLUS) number when Clinton left office??

Dude- What is the surplus number now?? Oh thats right..there is no surplus..its the biggest deficit in U.S. History...hmmm...What Clinton did in eight years Bush has F****d up in half the time...Your hero sure is an ass kicker though...thats all that matters to you...drop bombs and ask questions later....

[Epitome22]

Considering you guys are still talking about him. I seriously doubt that.

[MavKikiNYC]

Edit.

[MavKikiNYC]

Originally posted by: reeds


Dude- what was the SURPLUS (YES SURPLUS) number when Clinton left office??
....

Artificial?

[LRB]

Originally posted by: reeds
"Weird that you would discount the clinton recession, the clinton corporate malfeasance scandals and the largest attack on US soil in our history."

Dude- what was the SURPLUS (YES SURPLUS) number when Clinton left office??

Dude- What is the surplus number now?? Oh thats right..there is no surplus..its the biggest deficit in U.S. History...hmmm...What Clinton did in eight years Bush has F****d up in half the time...Your hero sure is an ass kicker though...thats all that matters to you...drop bombs and ask questions later....

Still trying to pretend 9/11 didn't happen I see. [img]i/expressions/anim_roller.gif[/img]

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: reeds
"Weird that you would discount the clinton recession, the clinton corporate malfeasance scandals and the largest attack on US soil in our history."

Dude- what was the SURPLUS (YES SURPLUS) number when Clinton left office??

Dude- What is the surplus number now?? Oh thats right..there is no surplus..its the biggest deficit in U.S. History...hmmm...What Clinton did in eight years Bush has F****d up in half the time...Your hero sure is an ass kicker though...thats all that matters to you...drop bombs and ask questions later....

I love (no actually it drives me batty) the way you lefties change the subject instead of addressing the points laid out. So instead of throwing out some sort of diversionary topic. ADDRESS The question!!..

Let me repeat

Weird that you would discount the clinton recession, the clinton corporate malfeasance scandals and the largest attack on US soil in our history.

But I guess to you 9/11 just didn't even happen. And hell if it did, we either deserved it or certainly weren't affected by it.

So did it or did it not have any effect on the economy?? You know to pretty much have all airlines instantly go into bankruptcy.

And yes the corporate malfesance as well was ON CLINTON"S WATCH. Bush again had to clean up the mess the child left behind.

[reeds]

of course of course...It was the Democrat who built the surplus..the Republican pissed it all away...and all you can say is "Artificial?" WOW- winning a debate in this forum just keeps getting easier.. If I have no comeback, my reply will be "artificial"...that should do the trick...

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: Mavdog
You need to get over your Clinton obsession. "Clinton corporate malfeasance scandals"? Guess you forgot Ken Lay was Dubya's "good friend" as Dubya put it
It will be interesting to see who you'll blame for problems if Bush wins a second term. I'm sure you'll come up with somebody..

So Enron and corporate scandals somehow magically appeared during bush's term! ?? Good grief, how silly are you...

Here is the timeline for enron.

November 1, 2000 Enron CEO Kenneth Lay begins selling Enron shares. ---NOTE no president bush yet.

January 8, 2001 California governor Gray Davis calls Enron and other energy companies "out-of-state" profiteers" during the 2000 California energy crisis.

February 5, 2001 Enron executives get bonus checks for millions of dollars.

Arthur Andersen auditors internally question the LJM partnerships.

February 12, 2001 Skilling is named CEO.

Arthur Andersen tells the Enron board of directors audit committee that they have no concerns.[/quote]

So somehow in your fantasyland the corporate malfeasance was accomplished by bush in two months!

[Mavdog]

9/11? cost of about 1 million jobs (travel, finance, tourism) and 1% of the GDP.

now, what about the rest of the job losses? the federal deficit?

oh yeah, it was clinton...

[reeds]

"And yes the corporate malfesance as well was ON CLINTON"S WATCH. Bush again had to clean up the mess the child left behind."

Lets talk about what happened on both Presidents watch...9/11 ring any bells??..your HERO was watching this country then- If you want to call it that..in between vacations...he heard the chatter and did NOTHING at all...so please DUDE, lets chat about both Presidents "WATCHES".... I think 9/11 kinda makes Clintons corporate malfesances look kinda small...

[MavKikiNYC]

I try to fathom how stupid you must be, Reeds, but you always push the envelope a little bit further.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: dude1394
So somehow in your fantasyland the corporate malfeasance was accomplished by bush in two months!

no, as it relates to Enron it was accomplished by several years of republican orchestrated deregulation of energy producers and transmission cos.

Wendy Gramm and FERC to begin with...

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: reeds
"And yes the corporate malfesance as well was ON CLINTON"S WATCH. Bush again had to clean up the mess the child left behind."

Lets talk about what happened on both Presidents watch...9/11 ring any bells??..your HERO was watching this country then- If you want to call it that..in between vacations...he heard the chatter and did NOTHING at all...so please DUDE, lets chat about both Presidents "WATCHES".... I think 9/11 kinda makes Clintons corporate malfesances look kinda small...

So let me get this straight you are saying that bush is at fault for 911?

[knowitall]

Is Bush at fault for 9/11? The title of this thread speaks for itself. No real leader ignores information that can stop disaster.

[MavKikiNYC]

Originally posted by: knowitall
Is Bush at fault for 9/11? The title of this thread speaks for itself. No real leader ignores information that can stop disaster.

....for 8 years.

[sike]

Originally posted by: knowitall
Is Bush at fault for 9/11? The title of this thread speaks for itself. No real leader ignores information that can stop disaster.

*sigh*

[reeds]

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Originally posted by: reeds
"And yes the corporate malfesance as well was ON CLINTON"S WATCH. Bush again had to clean up the mess the child left behind."

Lets talk about what happened on both Presidents watch...9/11 ring any bells??..your HERO was watching this country then- If you want to call it that..in between vacations...he heard the chatter and did NOTHING at all...so please DUDE, lets chat about both Presidents "WATCHES".... I think 9/11 kinda makes Clintons corporate malfesances look kinda small...
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"So let me get this straight you are saying that bush is at fault for 911?"

Well, let me see..When was bush sworn into office? When were the attacks? YES- he is responsible for 9/11...Lets turn the tables and say Bush was the president for eight year...after his term was done, Clinton was elected the next president..10 months later, 9/11 occured..would you republicans blame bush??NO NO NO NO NO NO NO..it would be all Clintons fault..

So phony...its unreal..Republicans can do nothing wrong..even when they take vacations and ignore the chatter, its not THEIR FAULT we were attacked...its Clintons...

[seal614]

hahahahahahah ^ reeds is funny as shit.

[Drbio]

A new level of idiocy has unfortunately been born here today. reeds and knowsnada are amazingly pathetic. How anyone can blame the US or any citizen of the US for 9/11 is beyond me and quite frankly wreaks of someone being a supreme traitorous jackass.

[knowitall]

Blame goes to terrorist, blame goes to highjackers, doc. Fault goes to the president. The one person that could have made a difference, the one person who could have at least made some effort. The one person who chose vacation and photo ops over defense of his country. The decision to do nothing must weigh heavy on his conscience, I could see that on his face as he sat there in that classroom. But he just can't find the words "I've let my people down and I won't let that happen again". He cannot say these words with a staight face either. He has taken us to Iraq on deceptions and lies. He has let us down again. He cannot be trusted. That ship has sailed.

[MavKikiNYC]

The blame clearly lies with the Clinton administration, and their failure to effectively engage the terrorist organizations who attacked the U.S. both on its own soil, and its interests abroad during Bill Clinton and Al Gore's 8 years in office. Their weak, sterile, flaccid response to multiple terrorist attacks emboldened the terrorists to commit further, more aggressive, more deadly acts.

In particular, blame and responsibility lies with Bill Clinton himself, whose sexual misconduct in the very Oval Office, while American soldiers were bombing Bosnia, no less, helped to set in motion the events in which Clinton subsequently lied under oath, and which led to the impeachment proceedings and political neutering of Clinton during his second term.

It was during this time that Clinton should have mounted a more vigorous defense against terrorism (instead of Monica's ample buttocks), but could not because of the dire political straits in which he found himself.

To the extent that the terrorist situation is ANY American politician's responsibility, the blame falls squarely on Bill Clinton, and by extension to the Democratic leadership of the party such as Al Gore and John Kerry, who conspired to keep Clinton in office at all costs, when the nation's defense should have been THE critical priority.

George Bush is cleaning up a foreign-policy mess made and left by Bill Clinton, just as he is having to clean up an economic mess that developed under Bill Clinton. 8 years of Democratic administration led to disaster for this country.

Thank God for a leader of George Bush's character, conviction, vision and leadership. Four more years!

[knowitall]

This is very entertaining fiction, Kiki! So, when you say four more years, you mean a total of seven and one third years?

[MavKikiNYC]

Four more for Bush, and 8 more for Giuliani beyond that.

With any luck whatsoever, the next Democratic candidate with any chance of acutally ascending to the presidency will be getting his MBA this year.

But I don't blame you, Know-nothing--I imagine it must get old to have to keep apolgozing for Clinton's failings, all the moreso because it's true.

He was a disaster for the country that keeps on giving.

[knowitall]

I would take Giuliani right now. Anythings better than Bush. Bush is cleaning up after Clinton. What a laugh riot!

[MavKikiNYC]

Originally posted by: knowitall
I would take Giuliani right now. Anythings better than Bush. Bush is cleaning up after Clinton. What a laugh riot!

Jeb Bush in 2016.

FACT: The WTC site is bare today because of the shortcomings of Clinton's foreign policy. Despite one attack in 1994, the Clinton administration failed to take action on anything like a sufficent scale to prevent the second attack, despite being in office for nearly 7 more years. You may consider that a laugh riot, but 3,000 victims and their surviving family members aren't laughing.

I think it's not at all unreasonable to supose that Bill Clinton's considerable weight gain after leaving office, and his accelerated heart disease, and (reported) decline in sexual function, were at least in part products of the guilt he felt for having failed his country so abjectly.

Similarly, it could be posited that Al Gore's daily-increasing signs of psychosis are a by-product of the guilt that he feels for not having defended the country more ably, instead of spending all his time inventing the internet.

I might mention in closing, too, that the personal physicinans of several foreign leaders have speculated to me personally that Madeline Albright's hair loss, and the accumulation of fat in Hillary Clinton's calves are also psycho-reactive physiological responses to the stress resulting from the failings of the Clinton administration.

[reeds]

"Four more for Bush, and 8 more for Giuliani beyond that."

I might give you four more for Bush (although it would suck), but NO way NO how will a republican be the next president if bush gets lucky in Novemeber..four more years of him, and this country will revolt- this country will have to get a Democrat in office to repair all the damage bush has created (see deficit) (see jobs lost) (see rising health care) (see Social Securtiy)...the country will wake up..elect a democrat to fix all the bush screw ups...

[Drbio]

Come back in 4.5 years for a serving of crow reeds. Giulliani & Powell might be the Repoub ticket and I can guarantee you it will be a VERY STRONG ticket.

[Mavdog]

Originally posted by: Drbio
Come back in 4.5 years for a serving of crow reeds. Giulliani & Powell might be the Repoub ticket and I can guarantee you it will be a VERY STRONG ticket.

Yes it would be a strong ticket. What is even more interesting is that those two candidates disagreee with probably 90% of the republican platform as passed at this last convention.

[Drbio]

I'd love to see a Powell - Pres, Guilliani -VP ticket. Then let Guilliani run 8 years later.

I think Powell would be a great president and I also think Powell would be a landslide first ballot victor.

[Drbio]

BTW, where did you grab 90%? I know Powell has strong opinions (one of the traits I like about hiim) but I would argue that he agrees with most republican conceptual ideologies. 90% is way too high.

[Mavdog]

90%? just pulled it out of the air, seemed a good number.
He is pro choice, pro affirmitive action, pro public schools.
I can't say what he sees on economic issues as I don't recall Powell ever saying anything about that subject.

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: reeds
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Originally posted by: reeds
"And yes the corporate malfesance as well was ON CLINTON"S WATCH. Bush again had to clean up the mess the child left behind."

Lets talk about what happened on both Presidents watch...9/11 ring any bells??..your HERO was watching this country then- If you want to call it that..in between vacations...he heard the chatter and did NOTHING at all...so please DUDE, lets chat about both Presidents "WATCHES".... I think 9/11 kinda makes Clintons corporate malfesances look kinda small...
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"So let me get this straight you are saying that bush is at fault for 911?"

Well, let me see..When was bush sworn into office? When were the attacks? YES- he is responsible for 9/11...Lets turn the tables and say Bush was the president for eight year...after his term was done, Clinton was elected the next president..10 months later, 9/11 occured..would you republicans blame bush??NO NO NO NO NO NO NO..it would be all Clintons fault..

So phony...its unreal..Republicans can do nothing wrong..even when they take vacations and ignore the chatter, its not THEIR FAULT we were attacked...its Clintons...

No one at least not me is saying that 911 was clintons fault. Only YOU are saying that 911 was specifically someones fault. The 911 commission didn't say it was clintons or bush's "fault'. Bush has never said it was clintons fault. Condeleeza Rice has never said it was clintons fault. Only democrats (at least prominant political members of your party) are saying that it was bush's fault.

What I am saying is that 911 was a huge economic impact. Since you are being so unreasonable about the whole, thing I'm not even sure you would agree with that now. I guess it WASN'T a huge economic impact??

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: knowitall
Blame goes to terrorist, blame goes to highjackers, doc. Fault goes to the president. The one person that could have made a difference, the one person who could have at least made some effort. The one person who chose vacation and photo ops over defense of his country. The decision to do nothing must weigh heavy on his conscience, I could see that on his face as he sat there in that classroom. But he just can't find the words "I've let my people down and I won't let that happen again". He cannot say these words with a staight face either. He has taken us to Iraq on deceptions and lies. He has let us down again. He cannot be trusted. That ship has sailed.

Hmmm the 911 comission said that the plot was 1-2 years in the making. So now who's fault was it again? It is really disingenuous to try and lay blame here. Your rheteric (and your partys') comes right out of michael maggot moores' mouth.

THAT is why your party cannot be trusted to be in power.

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: Mavdog

Yes it would be a strong ticket. What is even more interesting is that those two candidates disagreee with probably 90% of the republican platform as passed at this last convention.

So does kerry to hear his speeches.