11-05-2013, 10:43 PM
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11-05-2013, 10:49 PM
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The offense is like butta.
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11-05-2013, 10:54 PM
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I love our fast break offense.
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11-05-2013, 10:55 PM
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Didn't expect a blowout, mavs were hitting whenever they wanted though.
Monta 11-13 30 pts and 9! 9! Assists. I am ecstatic with how things are going. Lets get some revenge tomorrow. I cannot remember the last regular season game when the mavs beat thunder since the title
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11-05-2013, 10:55 PM
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hope its not fools gold, but look so much better than last year
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11-05-2013, 10:57 PM
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The offense is like butta.
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11-05-2013, 11:07 PM
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Had to "watch" the game via the gamecast on my phone. Was blown away when I logged in and the Mavs had 47 points with 7 minutes left in the half, while Dirk is at 0 points. That's good stuff.
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11-05-2013, 11:10 PM
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Our starting guards are averaging a combined 11.75 assists per.
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11-05-2013, 11:11 PM
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Seems like Dirk and Monta were made for each other. Or that their game's were made for each other.
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11-05-2013, 11:18 PM
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F*ck Yeah! Capslock!
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Sorry I'm late to the afterparty...
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11-05-2013, 11:49 PM
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Had to miss this one. Anyone w/ thoughts about the game?
Calderon looking more comfortable. Jae contributing? etc.
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11-06-2013, 12:31 AM
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Had to miss this one. Anyone w/ thoughts about the game?
Calderon looking more comfortable. Jae contributing? etc.
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Jae looked very good. Knocking down 3s and being very active in the flow of the offense and good D as well.
From what I seen Calderon looked more comfortable. 3s were falling but i seen him have a couple that were off as in airball type
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11-06-2013, 12:08 AM
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I'm pretty sure we won this game when I saw that Shawne Williams was their starting SF. Talk about how the mighty have fallen. Can't see a gimpy Kobe saving that bunch.
Edit: My mistake. SW at PF. Wow.
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11-06-2013, 12:09 AM
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Even worse.. Shawn Williams was their starting PF.
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11-06-2013, 01:01 AM
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Nice because it was the Lakers but this Lakers team is absolutly garbage....
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11-06-2013, 01:57 AM
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Post game comments by Carlisle on Kaman:
"I thought Kaman played great tonight," Carlisle said, butting in as Dirk delicately mentioned that the coach-center relationship went sour last season because Kaman wanted more playing time. "And I was shocked he didn't play more minutes. It should be noted for the record that he played 17 minutes tonight and he averaged 20 here."
Zing! I love it!
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11-06-2013, 02:28 AM
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Post game comments by Carlisle on Kaman:
"I thought Kaman played great tonight," Carlisle said, butting in as Dirk delicately mentioned that the coach-center relationship went sour last season because Kaman wanted more playing time. "And I was shocked he didn't play more minutes. It should be noted for the record that he played 17 minutes tonight and he averaged 20 here."
Zing! I love it!
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11-06-2013, 08:55 AM
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Post game comments by Carlisle on Kaman:
"I thought Kaman played great tonight," Carlisle said, butting in as Dirk delicately mentioned that the coach-center relationship went sour last season because Kaman wanted more playing time. "And I was shocked he didn't play more minutes. It should be noted for the record that he played 17 minutes tonight and he averaged 20 here."
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Nice.
The problem with Kaman is that he is a one trick pony. Once he stops making that same mid ranger he always takes, then his worth lessens. He had one good block but otherwise didn't play good defense (as usual).
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11-06-2013, 05:01 AM
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Ellis, Dalembert, and Blair look like steals right now. Three players on a mission to prove people wrong. Throw in Marion and Dirk and Deven Harris, we have a whole team of players on a mission to prove people wrong. I am loving it. The best of the Monta show is of course that Dirk can conserve tons of energy, which he will need later in the season. No heroics needed from him to win close games early in the season.
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11-06-2013, 09:18 AM
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I was NOT a big fan of the Monta signing, but I bit my tongue for the most part. That being said, his start this year has been pretty encouraging so hopefully a change of scenery, good coaching, and Dirk as a pick and roll/pop partner were all the doctor ordered for Monta. That being said, it's a long season so I'm not going to get my hopes too high over a four game stretch (although his preseason was fairly nice as well).
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11-06-2013, 09:51 AM
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I was NOT a big fan of the Monta signing, but I bit my tongue for the most part. That being said, his start this year has been pretty encouraging so hopefully a change of scenery, good coaching, and Dirk as a pick and roll/pop partner were all the doctor ordered for Monta. That being said, it's a long season so I'm not going to get my hopes too high over a four game stretch (although his preseason was fairly nice as well).
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To call his start merely "pretty encouraging" seems like you've got him held to an impossible standard.
His start has been exceptional (53FG%, 25ppg, 5apg, 2+spg). His game could slip several notches down and he would still be a steal at 8mil. His quickness and playmaking (NOT TO MENTION how he plays so well with Dirk) isn't going anywhere, even if the current fg% drops by 10-12%.
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11-06-2013, 10:46 AM
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I was NOT a big fan of the Monta signing, but I bit my tongue for the most part. That being said, his start this year has been pretty encouraging so hopefully a change of scenery, good coaching, and Dirk as a pick and roll/pop partner were all the doctor ordered for Monta. That being said, it's a long season so I'm not going to get my hopes too high over a four game stretch (although his preseason was fairly nice as well).
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Granted its only 4 games into the season, but you can already see the difference between being on a team with other players who can score, and being that one guy for the Bucks that has to volume shoot his team to a win.
11-14 30pts, 9 assists. There was no one in the nba that shot that well last night. Nobody expected that type of efficiency from Monta, even as fools gold.
Cut some slack.
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11-06-2013, 10:51 AM
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11-14 30pts, 9 assists. There was no one in the nba that shot that well last night.
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Apparently there is nobody who shot that well while recording that many assists in the last 45 years... Per Elias: Wilt Chamberlain was the last guy to record 30+ points and get 9+ assists with a shooting percentage of over 78% in a game. That happened back in '68.
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Apparently there is nobody who shot that well while recording that many assists in the last 45 years... Per Elias: Wilt Chamberlain was the last guy to record 30+ points and get 9+ assists with a shooting percentage of over 78% in a game. That happened back in '68.
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What a CRAZY stat! Hard to imagine that Nash or CP3 haven't ever done it.
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11-06-2013, 10:05 AM
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If Monta is still playing with this "You can't hope to keep me out of the paint" attitude for the next 20 games, I'll officially be excited. If he's "Monta Ellis Have It All" chucking off-balance 21-footers and ignoring open teammates... different story.
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11-06-2013, 10:42 AM
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If Monta is still playing with this "You can't hope to keep me out of the paint" attitude for the next 20 games, I'll officially be excited. If he's "Monta Ellis Have It All" chucking off-balance 21-footers and ignoring open teammates... different story.
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Ellis is averaging 8.3 free throw attempts per 36 minutes over 4 games... That's exactly who we want him to continue to be.
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11-06-2013, 11:05 AM
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Good video of Monta Postgame Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S54DmGsjRv0
Look for BG making an appearance!
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11-06-2013, 11:07 AM
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11-06-2013, 11:14 AM
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Just love hearing the dirkster interviews. His comment on monta actually shooting a real jumper isn't typically noticed ( I didn't ). And of course as the leader of the team he knows that home wins are important but away wins are more telling.
Wonder if he will be a commentator in his afterlife.
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11-06-2013, 11:19 AM
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Wonder if he will be a commentator in his afterlife.
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I strongly doubt it. I'm betting he pulls away from any kind of regular media spotlight.
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11-06-2013, 11:51 AM
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I strongly doubt it. I'm betting he pulls away from any kind of regular media spotlight.
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I fear you are correct but hope you are wrong. How much better could he be than the yahoos out there now.
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11-06-2013, 12:15 PM
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There never was (or at least shouldn't have been) any serious doubt about whether Monta would/could live up to his contract (the worst thing about it is the 3rd year player option). The question was, and in fairness will remain for some time, whether he could, for an entire year, buy in to his coaches and trust his teammates enough to deliver on his potential as a top 5 SG, because that's what Dallas really needs from him if they're going to make any noise in the playoffs this year. He hasn't lived up to that standard in every game (Houston), but last night he was that and more, and overall I'd say he's at least been in the ballpark. When you factor in the obvious chemistry with Dirk, and the contributions he's been making to team-wide offensive success with his passing, I really don't think you could've asked for anything more in the early going. I'm enjoying watching it play out.
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11-06-2013, 12:39 PM
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The only thing that bugs me about the Ellis haters is that they go on and on about his shooting percentages....as if he doesn't do anything else on the court. The Memphis game is a perfect example of why I don't care as long as the team wins. He shot 35% from the floor, but also shot 10 fts, had 3 rbds, 2 assists, and 3 steals in that game. Now, I agree about not having anymore Houston-type games, but more often than not, Ellis will fill up the box score in other areas. It just gets so annoying to listen to shooting inefficiency when he efficiently does so many other good things on the court.
Oh and he shot 78% from the floor last night soooo yeah.
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11-06-2013, 12:52 PM
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The only thing that bugs me about the Ellis haters is that they go on and on about his shooting percentages....as if he doesn't do anything else on the court. The Memphis game is a perfect example of why I don't care as long as the team wins. He shot 35% from the floor, but also shot 10 fts, had 3 rbds, 2 assists, and 3 steals in that game. Now, I agree about not having anymore Houston-type games, but more often than not, Ellis will fill up the box score in other areas. It just gets so annoying to listen to shooting inefficiency when he efficiently does so many other good things on the court.
Oh and he shot 78% from the floor last night soooo yeah.
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When 82games gets a large enough sample size to update for the 13/14 season, I think we'll see an absolutely astonishing on/off offensive efficiency gain with Ellis on the floor. He's like Dirk in that his only benefit isn't his scoring effiency. He makes it easier for others to score.
Even when he's not scoring, he's scrambling defenses and that confusion leaves others open. He's also an incredibly underrated passer-- particular pocket passes to players in the paint.
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11-06-2013, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
The only thing that bugs me about the Ellis haters is that they go on and on about his shooting percentages....as if he doesn't do anything else on the court. The Memphis game is a perfect example of why I don't care as long as the team wins. He shot 35% from the floor, but also shot 10 fts, had 3 rbds, 2 assists, and 3 steals in that game. Now, I agree about not having anymore Houston-type games, but more often than not, Ellis will fill up the box score in other areas. It just gets so annoying to listen to shooting inefficiency when he efficiently does so many other good things on the court.
Oh and he shot 78% from the floor last night soooo yeah.
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I agree that Monta has been great thus far...but your example doesn't really make sense. You act as though 3 rebounds and 2 assists from a starting SG playing 30+ minutes are impressive? Both are below league average.
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11-06-2013, 03:28 PM
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I agree that Monta has been great thus far...but your example doesn't really make sense. You act as though 3 rebounds and 2 assists from a starting SG playing 30+ minutes are impressive? Both are below league average.
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I guess you missed the 10 free throw attempts and 3 steals, both above league average, as well.
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11-06-2013, 05:01 PM
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I guess you missed the 10 free throw attempts and 3 steals, both above league average, as well.
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No...I saw those. (Though steals aren't necessarily a good indicator of good defense...players like Monta have a history of gambling on defense for steals). You could have just added those two without mentioning the average to disappointing rebound and assist numbers...
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11-06-2013, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GhostOfAdamMorrison
I agree that Monta has been great thus far...but your example doesn't really make sense. You act as though 3 rebounds and 2 assists from a starting SG playing 30+ minutes are impressive? Both are below league average.
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Ghost has pretty much made the points I wanted to make on this front. He should be able to pull down 2 rebounds by virtue of being on the court for 30 minutes in a non-comatose state. It's not really to his credit that he can pull down 3. You look at Monta's rebounding numbers on a per-minute basis and compare it with all other guards who played more than 500 minutes last season, and he comes out in the bottom half of all qualified players. If you are going to throw out his numbers in an argument on his behalf, you need to put it into proper context compared with his peers as a SG. In that vein, you can argue that 2 assists doesn't fully capture his impact passing the ball, but 2 assists in 30 minutes isn't a really a credit for a guard. The steals are nice, but that still won't capture his entire defensive impact (be it positive or negative). The ten free throws are really part of scoring efficiency so I don't factor that a separate characteristic that still needs to be factored when I say his scoring has been impressive so far. I will note that if he's getting 8-10 free throws a game, we aren't going to need to worry about whether he's been scoring efficiently enough (an 80% FT shooter that gets 10 free throws is probably going to have an efficient scoring night).
For the reasons outlined above, Monta needs to be an impact offensive player, and the main way he's going to have to do that is to be an efficient scorer that can put up points in bunches. He's undoubtedly been doing so thus far, but the question is whether he will sustain it over the course of a season. The fact of the matter is that he's been an inefficient volume shooter for several years now. It doesn't seem to be a popular opinion on this particular thread, but I'm always a skeptic when it comes to players suddenly bucking a multi-year trend, even with a change in scenery. It can be done, but it isn't the norm. I will say that there have some encouraging signs so far (the note about him only taking 2 midrange shots in this game is my favorite), but you can't expect anyone to be convinced on the basis of 4 games. After all, remember all of the plaudits that Mayo and Collison were receiving at this point last season.
I do think his passing is a positive for a shooting guard, but not overwhelmingly so to the point that he can afford to going back to being a 20 point a game scorer on 50% TS%. If that's where we end up, he's not worth the $8 mil/year contract in my book.
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11-06-2013, 08:34 PM
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I do think his passing is a positive for a shooting guard, but not overwhelmingly so to the point that he can afford to going back to being a 20 point a game scorer on 50% TS%. If that's where we end up, he's not worth the $8 mil/year contract in my book.
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I don't disagree with the argument that 50% true shooting would be a disappointment, but that's a good bit below his career average, so I don't and haven't seen that as a particularly likely outcome for him. His career numbers are just a little under 20 points and 5 assists per 36, with 52.7% true shooting. To me, particularly given the team's need for a second scorer to take some pressure off Dirk, that would be worth 8 million.
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11-06-2013, 12:47 PM
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Nice win, rewatching the game right now. I like(d) the ball movement and the defensive rotations!
Gotta say, the block from Kaman on Ellis was nice.
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