Official Mavs 2020 Draft/Free Agency Thread

[sefant77]

Im not just interested in his price tag.

I think its more important to find guard who are able to defend and with that you find more minutes for bargain Seth (with his questionable defense) without killing the team defense

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Im not just interested in his price tag.

I think its more important to find guard who are able to defend and with that you find more minutes for bargain Seth (with his questionable defense) without killing the team defense

Yeah, I can buy into him not being a help on defense. And maybe you look elsewhere for that reason.

I DO think he could be the guy who does what THJ AND Burke do, only in one player.

But yeah, definitely not a solution to every problem they have.

[tap2390]

Mavs should be interested only if the #12 pick is involved.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Mavs should be interested only if the #12 pick is involved.

Come on. THJ/18 for Hield is the starting point. No way they'd give away the 12th pick just to get rid of Hield.

[mac222b]

[QUOTE=DevinHarriswillstart;1480062]Come on. THJ/18 for Hield is the starting point. No way they'd give away the 12th pick just to get rid of Hield.[/QUOT

I’m with you. I think Hield is a bad contract but that some team like Detroit that can’t attract free agents and needs shooting would consider him their “free agent signing”. I also think if we offered THJ and 18 they say yes without hesitation.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Come on. THJ/18 for Hield is the starting point. No way they'd give away the 12th pick just to get rid of Hield.

But we would give the 18th pick to take on Buddys contract?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

But we would give the 18th pick to take on Buddys contract?

I'm not saying I definitely do that, but some people are way off on the value of Hield.

And it still surprises me how many people don't understand what kind of money players are making in today's NBA. 4/100 for Hield isn't that ridiculous.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm not saying I definitely do that, but some people are way off on the value of Hield.

And it still surprises me how many people don't understand what kind of money players are making in today's NBA. 4/100 for Hield isn't that ridiculous.

Sure. I think it's more about having cap room when we need it and Hield doesn't make us any better defensively or significantly better anywhere.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Come on. THJ/18 for Hield is the starting point. No way they'd give away the 12th pick just to get rid of Hield.

IMO you are way overestimating his value around the league. He's starting his 4/100 deal next season, known somewhat as a malcontent, and doesn't bring great defense. A team desperate for shooting may decide to pull the trigger, but he won't be their top option. Even with contracts being equal I'd take Tim Hardaway Jr. for chemistry and team mentality reasons. Add in the contract and the Kings will have to pay to get rid of him or take on a large 3-4 year deal (I could see a move for Al Horford or Tobias Harris, etc.).

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by tap2390

IMO you are way overestimating his value around the league. He's starting his 4/100 deal next season, known somewhat as a malcontent, and doesn't bring great defense. A team desperate for shooting may decide to pull the trigger, but he won't be their top option. Even with contracts being equal I'd take Tim Hardaway Jr. for chemistry and team mentality reasons. Add in the contract and the Kings will have to pay to get rid of him or take on a large 3-4 year deal (I could see a move for Al Horford or Tobias Harris, etc.).

I get where you’re coming from and you may even be right. I think there is bound to be one team that will overpay for a shooter of his caliber, he also has draft pedigree and can create a little for himself. I agree about THJ. Relative to Hield we could either let him expire or re-sign him for let’s say 13m per year and he’s a better value. 25m is a lot for Hield who I think shoukdve topped out as a 15m, Joe Harris or Davis Bertans level player most likely. No one in the league would pay either of those dudes 4/100m because they are only elite at one thing and are average defenders at best and below average playmakers. Shoot, we can just draft the best shooter available at #18 like Tyrell Terry and there’s a decent chance they give you 70% of what Hield does at a fraction of the cost.

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by tap2390

IMO you are way overestimating his value around the league. He's starting his 4/100 deal next season, known somewhat as a malcontent, and doesn't bring great defense. A team desperate for shooting may decide to pull the trigger, but he won't be their top option. Even with contracts being equal I'd take Tim Hardaway Jr. for chemistry and team mentality reasons. Add in the contract and the Kings will have to pay to get rid of him or take on a large 3-4 year deal (I could see a move for Al Horford or Tobias Harris, etc.).

This is all true, but some of it might change significantly when you get him out of that hell-hole of a franchise. In other words, maybe he has reason to be a malcontent, and maybe he's not playing very hard on defense because he doesn't think there's point while he's there. (I'm not defending that, if it's the case, just pointing out that it's possible)

Think about the 2018-2019 narrative on Jimmy Butler vs. the reality of today.

Think about how much better THJ looks here than he did trying to carry the Knicks.

I'm not trying to claim any of this, necessarily, just pointing out that a team out there might look at the dude and see an upgrade to their team, not just a bad contract.

I know it seems like everyone can shoot now, and that shooting is easy to find these days, but that's a relative statement, really. In a way, the fact that everyone is shooting high efficiency shots means that you truly have to have elite shooters to get ahead of the pack and win.

There are really only a handful of players in the game who can shoot a high volume of 3's and make them at an efficient clip. Hield IS one of them. He had the 3rd best shooting season in the league this year, imo, after Duncan Robinson and Lillard. Now, obviously, he doesn't compare to Lilliard, who's doing so much on the floor that it's absolutely AMAZING that he's able to shoot such a high percentage, but Hield is asked to do a much wider variety of things than Robinson, on the other hand.

For the Mavericks, THJ doesn't even come close to being this type of offensive weapon, honestly, though I do think he's underrated by Dallas fans and I totally agree with your points regarding his fit in the culture, team-first attitude, stability, etc.

And Curry shoots a higher percentage, but quite literally can't get enough shots off for the percentage to mean much. At his size (and possibly this is because his release is too slow, too) he gets run off of the line far too easily, imo. It's frustrating. I love that he is one of the few players who still seems comfortable in the mid-range, but I don't love that he's not really an effective passer once he floors the ball, and to be honest, if he's not getting the shots off then he's not doing what they brought him here to do.

I think Hield is much better as both a shooter and as a handler/playmaker (when he's willing) than either of those players. Even if he doesn't improve their defense, I can see combining (and improving on) the strengths of THJ, Curry and even Burke into ONE, high minute player could open up other places in the rotation for different solutions to those problems.

Just food for thought. I know it's a little out of the box, and I could be woefully mistaken.

EDIT: I suck at sharing stat tables, but I just did some digging, and here's what I found. There were only 10 players who attempted (were able to attempt) over 500 3's this year. A much smaller handful was able to get off over 600. The most efficient trio of them were:

Duncan Robinson (.446 on 606 attempts)
Damian Lillard (.401 on 674 attempts)
Buddy Hield (.394 on 688 attempts)

Now, I listed them in order of percentage, but I would argue that Robinson is asked to do the least of those three while he's on the court. Either way, I think that's the top tier of shooters in the league.

Side note: I admit that after checking these stats out, THJ would probably be my 4th favorite shooting season, at the top of tier 2. On 513 attempts he shot .398, 4th among those with 500 attempts or more. But, idk...those extra 100-200 attempts are kind of a game changer, imo. Also, an argument could be made (not sure it's one to which I subscribe) that THJ's fine shooting season was an outlier, and that he's in danger of reverting next year.