Opinion:"Dallas Mavericks: Time To Let Dirk Go" - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SMC0007 · 01-16-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

I read something yesterday that they're shopping RJ too, in addition to Sessions and Villanueva.

Sessions and Redd would be nice.

bobatundi · 01-16-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by robo98564

I am sorry you have poor reading comprehension... You're the first person who has thought so...

I can certainly say it was not my intention to mislead. I have no problem with criticism, but I also don't see any need for the personal attacks just because I might have a different take on things than you do.

You "have no problem with criticism," but when I point out that you might need to clean up your grammar if you want to have better "writer rankings" you call me a dick? Sounds like a douchebag who can't take criticism at all.

Please spare us all the "I didn't go to school for journalism" crap. There's no excuse for having such a weak understanding of your own native tongue, it's something you've been taught since you were two years old.

robo98564 · 01-16-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bobatundi

You "have no problem with criticism," but when I point out that you might need to clean up your grammar if you want to have better "writer rankings" you call me a dick? Sounds like someone who can't take criticism at all.

Haha sorry sarcasm does not come through clearly in message boards. I put a big ole'

at the end of that first comment in hopes that you would see I was just playing...

And I do take criticism well when it is offered in a constructive manner.

robo98564 · 01-16-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bobatundi

You "have no problem with criticism," but when I point out that you might need to clean up your grammar if you want to have better "writer rankings" you call me a dick? Sounds like a douchebag who can't take criticism at all.

Please spare us all the "I didn't go to school for journalism" crap. There's no excuse for having such a weak understanding of your own native tongue, it's something you've been taught since you were two years old.

*****... What the hell is with all of the people on this forum that think they are God's gift to this earth. I reply to your comment respectfully, and then come back and see that you've edited it to be an asshole.

Although what I said in my original response was more sarcastic than anything, I still came back and apologized for the confusion, and now this?

And how does missing an occasional comma or perhaps even (gasp) incorrectly using a colon or semi-colon mean that I have no grasp over the English language?

Just because I don't have a grammar book shoved up my ass like some of you on this website, does that really mean I have no understanding of my language? Really?!?

Is this enough foul language to get me banned? God, I really really hope so. Then I'd have a wonderful excuse to not have to come back and talk to this wonderful collection of "fellow" Maverick fans.

rabbitproof · 01-16-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

I'll compare Dirk to the KG situation. This is Minny's 2nd year without KG. Minny picked up Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first round draft pick and their own pick, plus cash. They are currently 11-26 after finishing off a really bad year last year. They netted Kevin Love, Mike Miller this past offseason. And things don't look any better for next year either, draft wise, no prospective top 5 talents is projected in this draft. They're looking at 2 more losing years, totaling 4 consecutive losing seasons.

On the flip side, with some good trades, Boston was able to build a championship team, when they were in a similar situation with Paul Pierce. Having already run the gamut....supposedly, with younger pieces, Pierce was the odd guy out. Being as shrewd as he was on the court, Ainge built a squad around Pierce, a squad of similar age, talent and desire as Pierce. It didn't take much a couple of 1st rounders, one proven talent(Jefferson).

There are names out there Marion, O'Neal, Redd, GWallace, Felton, Brad Miller, Camby, and they're probably going really cheap. The Mavs have a little bit of everything to offer, expirings, young chips, downtrodden proven stars, bigs.

I believe it took more than a couple 1st rounders and some were lotto (counting the Allen trade). Plus, Boston was the pits for a couple years so they got high picks and young talent. Our best players are expensive and 30+.

Lastly, I don't think any of the names you're listing are in the KG/Allen ballpark. Both of those guys have a solid shot at going to the HOF.

I'm not arguing to trade Dirk but for those who think duplicating Boston's work is the solution, it's not. It's a dream as Boston did a once-in-a-generation thing. I would also note Boston had the unbelievable fortune of having Allen and KG come from the West. When you're talking multi-time All-Star trades (AI, Shaq, even Kidd), they almost never stay in the conference so we need to look East and look for multi-All-Stars if we want to duplicate Boston.

SMC0007 · 01-16-2009, 04:18 PM

I am unbiased in this argument but for god sakes, if you get banned for that and BBALLGIRL25 isn't... jeezus kryst.

rabbitproof · 01-16-2009, 04:26 PM

Why would he get banned for that?

LonghornDub · 01-16-2009, 04:26 PM

Wow, that escalated quickly.

Dirkadirkastan · 01-16-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Wow, that escalated quickly.

"I mean that really got out of hand fast!"

SMC0007 · 01-16-2009, 04:32 PM

http://images.google.com/images?sour...-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Anyone else see anything that kinda sticks out on this page??? I typed in screaming at the computer, to get a stupid pic to fit the argument....

erdubya · 01-16-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

There's very limited options on trading Dirk. Dirk wont get us Lebron, Kobe or Dwight Howard. He would possibly land us Amare Stodemire and that would be interesting. Dirk gets the reunite with Nash he'd be happy with that. Or maybe a Carlos Boozer. Give us that true power forward that we need.

Does Amare have any kind of post up game? or is he just a big slasher?

Dirk in Phoenix though? That definitely puts Phoenix in the elite and improves us only a little.

robo98564 · 01-16-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

http://images.google.com/images?sour...-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Anyone else see anything that kinda sticks out on this page??? I typed in screaming at the computer, to get a stupid pic to fit the argument....

I think I'm following ya, and I want to be the first to thank you for NOT posting that picture haha

Underdog · 01-16-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by erdubya

Does Amare have any kind of post up game? or is he just a big slasher?

Dirk in Phoenix though? That definitely puts Phoenix in the elite and improves us only a little.

I don't see how that improves us at all (but I agree about Phoenix becoming elite...)

LonghornDub · 01-16-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

"I mean that really got out of hand fast!"

Exactly. Rep to you.

SMC0007 · 01-16-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by robo98564

I think I'm following ya, and I want to be the first to thank you for NOT posting that picture haha

haha no that isn't the pic I was gonna get, it just happened to be there...and I might say totally out of place..

mac222b · 01-16-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

I read something yesterday that they're shopping RJ too, in addition to Sessions and Villanueva.

It's hard to figure out what Mil. is doing. Skiles is definitely putting his imprint on the organization and they're still trying to reshape the roster. But they're also playing better,are healthier and making a playoff push. Mbah a Moute is defensive minded and playing well and cheap so they're probably thinking they don't want to pay huge money to Bogut, Redd AND Jefferson when they've got a good young SF and Joe Alexander on the bench. I would see if they have any interest in Kidd's expiring for Redd/Jefferson and Sessions. Stranger things have happened.

DirkFTW · 01-16-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

"I mean that really got out of hand fast!"

I think Silk killed someone! He should probably disappear forever.

mac222b · 01-16-2009, 06:09 PM

I think the Mavs actually have to go against the grain and try and steal a few good players while the rest of the league waits for this mythical 2010(after which all but one or two teams are gonna be sorely disappointed). I hope Cuban's ego does kick in and he redoubles his efforts. Maybe Kidd's contract and our 1st rd. pick gets back a "superstar"(Redd, Carter, Jefferson) type player and a useable throw-in(Stro.Swift, Charlie Bell, Villanueva). J-ho nets us a low post presence(Camby,Kaman, J.O'neal) and we swing the Diop/Stack deal for Felton. We use our mid-level on a young athletic wing w/ upside(Childress,Barnes,Ben Gordon,Ariza)or an aging star(Marion,Iverson,Artest)at a discount in a recessed economy. We use our Bi-annual exception on a defensive minded,bigger point or a good shooter like Pargo. To me it all hinges on our willingness/ability to trade Kidd and/or our pick.
Camby,Damp JO'Neal, Damp
Dirk,Villanueva Dirk,Villanueva
R.Jefferson,Green or R.Jefferson, Barnes/Ariza
Gordon,Terry A. Parker,Terry
Felton,Pargo Felton,Pargo

We're suddenly as deep as the lakers, quicker, better defensively and we have an infusion of new blood. Alot of things have to fall just right but none of this is out of the realm of possibilty. it gives us 2-3 yrs. of Dirk's prime to try and win the title. Thoughts?

vinylstar · 01-16-2009, 06:35 PM

I think for the first time after watching ~15 years of Mav's basketball, I'm actually more of a fan of a player (Dirk) than I am of the team itself.

I'd like him to be traded, so he can win it all. It didn't and won't happen here. Its sad, but its reality.

twelli · 01-16-2009, 07:42 PM

Lakers and Celtics found top players who played too long for mediocre teams. They are hungry and willing to put their egos behind the team concept. Now, Josh appears to be quite the opposite player. If we could trade him for someone like (not thinking about position or salary here) Michael Redd, Elton Brand, Iguodala, Vince Carter, Jamison, Brad Miller, Magette, Kaman etc. that would be exactly what the doctor ordered.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 01-16-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

http://images.google.com/images?sour...-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Anyone else see anything that kinda sticks out on this page??? I typed in screaming at the computer, to get a stupid pic to fit the argument....

I bet if sike was here he would of posted that picture.

bobatundi · 01-16-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

It's hard to figure out what Mil. is doing. Skiles is definitely putting his imprint on the organization and they're still trying to reshape the roster. But they're also playing better,are healthier and making a playoff push. Mbah a Moute is defensive minded and playing well and cheap so they're probably thinking they don't want to pay huge money to Bogut, Redd AND Jefferson when they've got a good young SF and Joe Alexander on the bench. I would see if they have any interest in Kidd's expiring for Redd/Jefferson and Sessions. Stranger things have happened.

Ok, when I initially read your message, I read it as "Skiles is definitely putting his ARMPIT on the organization," which I found to be incredibly funny.

robo98564 · 01-16-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bobatundi

Ok, when I initially read your message, I read it as "Skiles is definitely putting his ARMPIT on the organization," which I found to be incredibly funny.

So I'm bad at grammar and you can't read? Yikes, we got the special ed program in this forum! hahah

(JUST JOKING, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE, THIS WAS NOT MEANT TO BE A PERSONAL ATTACK, PLEASE FORGIVE, I KID I KID)

MaVs 41 BaLler · 01-16-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by robo98564

So I'm bad at grammar and you can't read? Yikes, we got the special ed program in this forum! hahah

(JUST JOKING, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE, THIS WAS NOT MEANT TO BE A PERSONAL ATTACK, PLEASE FORGIVE, I KID I KID)

Dude that's not funny it really hurts basketballgirl25.

mac222b · 01-16-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bobatundi

Ok, when I initially read your message, I read it as "Skiles is definitely putting his ARMPIT on the organization," which I found to be incredibly funny.

Actually he seems like the kind of guy who would do that!

fluid.forty.one · 01-16-2009, 08:35 PM

my thoughts on the issue:

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I know that, if we are definitely rebuilding, trading Dirk asap is the fastest way to do it.

but..

The man is the greatest Maverick ever. He has been here so long and been through so much with the team and the fans. I think the Mavericks owe it to him to try everything they can to keep him here until retirement, even if it means trading every other piece.

If he demands a trade or opts out, so be it. But what a horrible end to a legacy if we trade him away.. I say no, even if it puts rebuilding off for a couple years.

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

And I know a lot of fans say "team first" and you should be a fan of a team way more than a player. I agree completely. What you have to consider though is that Dirk IS this team. He has been for the last 8 or so years. And it's not just his insane numbers... it's his attitude, his personality.. he's been the perfect sports role model for me and everyone else who grew up watching him.

When this teams goes through all the sh*t during the next few years, I'll be there every game. The Mavericks are my favorite sports team ever, and they always will be. But this is a situation where we need to consider what this incredible individual has done for this organization, and hopefully we don't mess this up.

(how do you post links to singular posts? I've seen people do it before and I couldn't figure out how)

mary · 01-16-2009, 08:41 PM

Click on the post number in the upper right corner of the post.

fluid.forty.one · 01-16-2009, 08:44 PM

sweet, thanks.

and thanks for the rep earlier

Dirkadirkastan · 01-16-2009, 09:06 PM

Then within the link, you can change "showpost" to "showthread". This will show the post within the thread, instead of just the post.

fluid.forty.one · 01-16-2009, 09:17 PM

nice, thanks.

SMC0007 · 01-16-2009, 09:30 PM

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to fluid.forty.one again.

bobatundi · 01-16-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Actually he seems like the kind of guy who would do that!

yep, that's why it made me laugh

mavsjunkie · 01-17-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

I don't want to be the T-wolves. No thanks on trading the franchise player.

It's obvious that some folks would rather lose with their favorite player than to win by sacrificing that player.

This attitude is the reason we are the Mavs. We will never win the big one.

dalmations202 · 01-17-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mavsjunkie

It's obvious that some folks would rather lose with their favorite player than to win by sacrificing that player.

This attitude is the reason we are the Mavs. We will never win the big one.

Win.......History doesn't support you there.

How many titles have been won by the Milwaukee Bucks since they traded off Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, Jr.?

How long did it take for the Boston Red Sox to win a title after they got rid of Babe Ruth?

Getting rid of a superstar usually works for the team getting the superstar, not the team losing them.

Shaq leaves and all of a sudden Miami is good, but LA is avg. LA trades for another superstar, and they are good again. Boston keeps the superstar they have and add a couple and they are champs. Minn traded theirs off for potential, and they are 14 games below .500 today. Shaq is a shell of the superstar he once was, but he leaves Miami and even with a superstar in DWade, they are only 4 games over .500.

No, not wanting to lose a superstar is not a losing a favorite player to win, it is a losing a favorite player so you can spend the next decade looking for another superstar that will get you up to mediocre. I'd just as soon not sacrifice the superstar (at least not until you have found your next one).

left texas · 01-17-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by robo98564

*****

And how does missing an occasional comma or perhaps even (gasp) incorrectly using a colon or semi-colon mean that I have no grasp over the English language?

Just because I don't have a grammar book shoved up my ass like some of you on this website, does that really mean I have no understanding of my language? Really?!?

Ah, now I get it!

Underdog · 01-17-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

Win.......History doesn't support you there.

How many titles have been won by the Milwaukee Bucks since they traded off Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, Jr.?

How long did it take for the Boston Red Sox to win a title after they got rid of Babe Ruth?

Getting rid of a superstar usually works for the team getting the superstar, not the team losing them.

Shaq leaves and all of a sudden Miami is good, but LA is avg. LA trades for another superstar, and they are good again. Boston keeps the superstar they have and add a couple and they are champs. Minn traded theirs off for potential, and they are 14 games below .500 today. Shaq is a shell of the superstar he once was, but he leaves Miami and even with a superstar in DWade, they are only 4 games over .500.

No, not wanting to lose a superstar is not a losing a favorite player to win, it is a losing a favorite player so you can spend the next decade looking for another superstar that will get you up to mediocre. I'd just as soon not sacrifice the superstar (at least not until you have found your next one).

This post should go down as one of the all-time greatest on this site...

alby · 01-17-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsjunkie

It's obvious that some folks would rather lose with their favorite player than to win by sacrificing that player.

This attitude is the reason we are the Mavs. We will never win the big one.

seriously?

dude1394 · 01-17-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsjunkie

It's obvious that some folks would rather lose with their favorite player than to win by sacrificing that player.

This attitude is the reason we are the Mavs. We will never win the big one.

Ah so many posts...so many bad rep points to give out. Although if the team traded dirk I would probably be a very po'd fan... The arguments made for trading him are superficial at best.

We'll trade him and "hope" that we don't end up like every other club that has traded their superstar. So let's do it!!!

The argument lacks facts and a grasp of reality. It also disses about the only guy on the mavs team worth keeping by suggesting that he cannot be built around.

dude1394 · 01-17-2009, 02:17 PM

Ouch

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With Josh Howard inconsistent in his presence and his production, and absolutely zero impact from two front-line players they were heavily counting on - Jerry Stackhouse and DeSagana Diop - the Mavs have come to this: Most night it's Dirk Nowitzki starting alongside four other guys whose combined average points to add up to his.

Dirkadirkastan · 01-17-2009, 03:07 PM

This message is hidden because mavsjunkie is on your ignore list.

Dammit people, stop quoting him/her/it!