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sefant77 · 10-16-2011, 06:37 PM

Its not really rested legs for vets because they gonna squeeze 50 games in a few months which means back2back2back or 4 games in 5 days like 98-99.

We need a deep roster so we are able to let players sitout in some b2b.

fluid.forty.one · 10-16-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Its not really rested legs for vets because they gonna squeeze 50 games in a few months which means back2back2back or 4 games in 5 days like 98-99.

We need a deep roster so we are able to let players sitout in some b2b.

Sitting Kidd is going to be a lot harder if we lose Barea.

tcat075 · 10-17-2011, 01:03 AM

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Sitting Kidd is going to be a lot harder if we lose Barea.

You decide before the season that Kidd has a hard minute cap. He won't play over, say, 25 minutes a game. Sure, you can make exceptions for huge games or overtime, but for the most part, you stick to that. This team is the reigning champs; they aren't playing for the regular season, so if they lose a few because Kidd isn't playing 35+ a night, it's okay.

Second, you go get a veteran point guard who is steady and who can initiate an offense without a lot of turnovers. Not sure who, but I'm sure there has to be someone out there.

Next, you make a commitment to playing the young players. Jones and Beaubois may not have a future at PG, but we don't know for sure. Give them both consistent minutes there, even if it's just five a night, and if they're going good, then the veteran above may not even play. If they're struggling, then you limit what they do. Hopefully, if one of them is really playing well, Kidd will get even less minutes than usual.

I don't think Kidd has to play a lot when JJB leaves. I don't think he wants to play a lot, honestly. It might be tempting from time to time, but Carlisle knows better than to overwork him.

fluid.forty.one · 10-17-2011, 01:39 AM

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You decide before the season that Kidd has a hard minute cap. He won't play over, say, 25 minutes a game. Sure, you can make exceptions for huge games or overtime, but for the most part, you stick to that. This team is the reigning champs; they aren't playing for the regular season, so if they lose a few because Kidd isn't playing 35+ a night, it's okay.

Second, you go get a veteran point guard who is steady and who can initiate an offense without a lot of turnovers. Not sure who, but I'm sure there has to be someone out there.

Next, you make a commitment to playing the young players. Jones and Beaubois may not have a future at PG, but we don't know for sure. Give them both consistent minutes there, even if it's just five a night, and if they're going good, then the veteran above may not even play. If they're struggling, then you limit what they do. Hopefully, if one of them is really playing well, Kidd will get even less minutes than usual.

I don't think Kidd has to play a lot when JJB leaves. I don't think he wants to play a lot, honestly. It might be tempting from time to time, but Carlisle knows better than to overwork him.

I was talking about resting him for entire games. Like we did at the end of last year, and like Pop does with some veterans on back to backs.

sefant77 · 10-17-2011, 06:24 AM

the difference between Kidds legs this season and last season was amazing. We overplayed him at the end of the 09-10 season and he was pretty much toast in the postseason.

In a shortened season with a tighter schedule his minutes should go down to 26-28 with plenty of sitting out b2b or b2b2b.

Thats why i wanna have Butler back too, so we can play the F rotation with the three main guys and cut them all (Dirk too) to ~30min.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-17-2011, 03:44 PM

Why the hell would the players ever let KG do something like this? The guy is a basket case.

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This fight has grown nastier, more personal, in the past weeks. Privately, management insists that everything changed when the Boston Celtics’ Kevin Garnett(notes) walked into the negotiating room on Oct. 4. The owners knew it wouldn’t go well when Garnett started glowering across the table, sources said, like the league lawyers, owners and officials were opponents at the center jump. He was defiant, determined and downright ornery. He was K.G. Everyone knew Hunter had to cede to the wishes of the stars, and the stars demanded that the players stop making concessions to the owners.

As one league official said, “We were making progress, until Garnett [expletive] everything up.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...s_union_101711

LonghornDub · 10-17-2011, 03:48 PM

KG is the biggest tool in the NBA. It was true a few years ago, and it's even more true now.

sefant77 · 10-18-2011, 08:44 AM

Taiwan media...rofl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2bPSrfycLk

Rick41 · 10-18-2011, 10:00 AM

KG is by far the biggest douche bag in the NBA.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-18-2011, 10:41 AM

But I mean, we're talking about sabotaging 2 billion in player salaries. I could care less if KG barks on the court as part of his personality but to come in and help create a nuclear winter isn't smart. Can Kenyon Martin go in as well and talk for everyone? We'll be out two seasons if that happens.

sefant77 · 10-18-2011, 11:30 AM

Kenyons ass is stuck in china because he need the money. But maybe he has allready a new Twitter account.

Rick41 · 10-18-2011, 11:48 PM

FWIW, labor talks are going into hour 15 with a federal
meditator.

Hopefully we get something positive out of this.

DavidDaMonkey · 10-20-2011, 11:17 AM

Oct 30th, 2010:

Stern: Ok Mark, I'll make you a deal. Your team can win it all, but they don't get to play the entire next year.

Cuban: Ha! Deal! There's no way that will fly. How on Earth could you get away with not letting my team play for a whole year?!?!

Stern: Just watch.

DubOverdose · 10-20-2011, 06:51 PM

Players are unwilling to meet the owners at 50% split of the BRI. Players went from 53% down to 52.5%. Players need to accept this because if they keep holding out, they'll be worse off in the long run. These players need to learn who the man is...and that there are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of other basketball players that would have absolutely no problem with the terms of the proposed CBA.

DubOverdose · 10-20-2011, 07:04 PM

Oh, and the point of the post was to say that the negotiations have stalled and no future meetings are planned. I think it's going to be a while more now that they've tried using the mediator.

sefant77 · 10-20-2011, 07:12 PM

Maybe we have a 50 games season, depends how many player are really scared/broke by then.

But wouldnt be surprised if the season is gone

Rick41 · 10-20-2011, 07:27 PM

I'm slowly giving up hope..

And for it to be the year the Mavs are considered a prime
time team...

sefant77 · 10-20-2011, 07:54 PM

Now its getting ugly...Fisher says media and fans were lied to by Silver/Holt.

Fisher again trying the "We love the fans" card. Well, looks like the owner are definatly ready to give up the season.

AO41 · 10-20-2011, 08:30 PM

I am not taking sides...the owners have a lot of money. But they are the employer. Yes the players help them make money, but they alos have gotten a lot of that money over the years. Now they cant get a deal done because players feel "their livelihood " at stake. Really??

I love basketball and I enjoy watching it. I respect the talents and work that these players put in. But I feel the same about all sports. No player IMO should get more than 5-10 million a year. We are talking about millions people here. Not like most people that make 30-40K a year. Just my opinion

dude1394 · 10-20-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Why the hell would the players ever let KG do something like this? The guy is a basket case.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...s_union_101711

I would propose that in their hearts that is the way thry think you negotiate. Get all in someone's face and try to intimidate them. Works on the playground, works with refs....

Won't work with the owners, they don't intimidate nearly as easily, and they hold all of the cards. If no season, then no payroll....they could let it go for 5 years and not have much of a dent on their bankroll.

LonghornDub · 10-20-2011, 11:29 PM

Just want to remind everyone again how much more excruciating this would be if the Mavs weren't the current champions of the National Basketball Association.

dirno2000 · 10-20-2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DubOverdose

Players are unwilling to meet the owners at 50% split of the BRI. Players went from 53% down to 52.5%. Players need to accept this because if they keep holding out, they'll be worse off in the long run. These players need to learn who the man is...and that there are THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of other basketball players that would have absolutely no problem with the terms of the proposed CBA.

Yea but nobody would pay to see them.

dirno2000 · 10-20-2011, 11:55 PM

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I would propose that in their hearts that is the way thry think you negotiate. Get all in someone's face and try to intimidate them. Works on the playground, works with refs....

Won't work with the owners, they don't intimidate nearly as easily, and they hold all of the cards. If no season, then no payroll....they could let it go for 5 years and not have much of a dent on their bankroll.

There's no player payroll but they still have coaches and front office staff that have to be paid. A lot of them also have debt payments on their arenas or the teams themselves. They have money going out the door and no revenues. And that's before you get to the potential long term damage to the brand.

Obviously they're better equipped to withstand a long term lock out but make no mistake, the owners will feel the pain too.

dude1394 · 10-21-2011, 05:16 AM

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There's no player payroll but they still have coaches and front office staff that have to be paid. A lot of them also have debt payments on their arenas or the teams themselves. They have money going out the door and no revenues. And that's before you get to the potential long term damage to the brand.

Obviously they're better equipped to withstand a long term lock out but make no mistake, the owners will feel the pain too.

Agree they will feel the pain but if you pick cubes, it will be a pretty minor annoyance I would imagine, except fr the areana and loan payments...hadn't thought about that one because so much of their costs have to be payroll.

sefant77 · 10-21-2011, 07:33 AM

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Yea but nobody would pay to see them.

Too bad. I would prefer watching an uncool white dude nailing down a jumphot than watching LeCrab bulldozering with four steps through the paint for a lame ass dunk...

Underdog · 10-21-2011, 09:11 AM

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Too bad. I would prefer watching an uncool white dude nailing down a jumphot than watching LeCrab bulldozering with four steps through the paint for a lame ass dunk...

Euroleague. Enjoy.

Underdog · 10-21-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

I would propose that in their hearts that is the way thry think you negotiate. Get all in someone's face and try to intimidate them. Works on the playground, works with refs....

Won't work with the owners, they don't intimidate nearly as easily, and they hold all of the cards. If no season, then no payroll....they could let it go for 5 years and not have much of a dent on their bankroll.

They'd lose a LOT more money by locking out for 5 years than they'd gain through the new CBA, not to mention that they risk deep-sixing their upcoming TV contract renewal. Those guys didn't become rich by pissing money away - basketball will be back as soon as the lockout costs more money than it could possibly put in the owners' pockets (unless Jews start learning to dunk...)

NewMexiMav · 10-21-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Why the hell would the players ever let KG do something like this? The guy is a basket case.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...s_union_101711

When I see these idiot players want to be involved in the labor negotations I just cringe. No matter whose side you are on in this debate, you cannot think this is a good idea. These guys don't negotiate their own contracts for God sakes. They hire agents. So why do they all of the sudden think they have the wherewithal to negotiate an entire collective bargaining agreement?

fluid.forty.one · 10-27-2011, 01:18 AM

Bill Simmons is getting my hopes up...

"82-game NBA reg season + full playoffs still in play. Need done deal by weekend. Lots of optimism now. I'd be surprised if this fell apart."

Zaknaf3in · 10-27-2011, 06:05 AM

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When I see these idiot players want to be involved in the labor negotations I just cringe. No matter whose side you are on in this debate, you cannot think this is a good idea. These guys don't negotiate their own contracts for God sakes. They hire agents. So why do they all of the sudden think they have the wherewithal to negotiate an entire collective bargaining agreement?

Got your answer right there, I guess.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-27-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Bill Simmons is getting my hopes up...

"82-game NBA reg season + full playoffs still in play. Need done deal by weekend. Lots of optimism now. I'd be surprised if this fell apart."

By the weekend seems overly optimistic, but lots of articles say there is actual progress. I see having a whole season starting December 1st. November will be crrraaazzzyyy if a deal is done soon.

Can't wait to go to the banner raising game!

Rick41 · 10-27-2011, 11:23 AM

I see a full 82 game schedule highly unlikely, but getting a deal done soon would be fantastic.

The Rangers are nearly done and I could care less for the Cowboys, I'm going to need something to watch real soon (insert Stars games for the meantime here).

sefant77 · 10-27-2011, 12:15 PM

If we have a season then the FA period will be short and crazy. I think in 98-99 it was like 2 weeks...

Wondering if that is good or bad for us signing back our guys.

jthig32 · 10-27-2011, 03:20 PM

Stein was on with Ben and Skin today and didn't sound very optimistic about the Mavs bringing back Tyson.

Dirkadirkastan · 10-27-2011, 03:38 PM

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Stein was on with Ben and Skin today and didn't sound very optimistic about the Mavs bringing back Tyson.

What was his reasoning?

LonghornDub · 10-27-2011, 03:46 PM

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I see a full 82 game schedule highly unlikely, but getting a deal done soon would be fantastic.

The Rangers are nearly done and I could care less for the Cowboys, I'm going to need something to watch real soon (insert Stars games for the meantime here).

I think 82 games is likely if they get it done soon. The season will just extend a bit longer than it would have, and the games will be a bit more compressed. No reason to lower the number of games if the season is starting by ~early December at the latest.

fluid.forty.one · 10-27-2011, 03:48 PM

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Stein was on with Ben and Skin today and didn't sound very optimistic about the Mavs bringing back Tyson.

Well.. There goes any chance of me having a good day.

fluid.forty.one · 10-27-2011, 03:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqCXgUXy1n8

sefant77 · 10-27-2011, 04:13 PM

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Stein was on with Ben and Skin today and didn't sound very optimistic about the Mavs bringing back Tyson.

Well, i wrote it allready:
Just check the list of teams that will have significant cap space. They are terrible (Sac etc) or have center/center projects (Pacers, Clippers, Wiz, Grizz, Hornets) or they are waiting for the Dwight sweepstakes (Nets).

So does he really want to play on a crappy team like the Kings just for some more money?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

jthig32 · 10-27-2011, 04:25 PM

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What was his reasoning?

Stein's reasoning:

Tyson is going to be a top three free agent (along with Nene and David West).

Teams are going to have the amnesty clause, allowing a lot of teams to open up salary slots.

Some team, and maybe more than one, is going to give Tyson a huge, long offer.

Tyson is approaching 30 and has a bad injury history.

The Mavs are very old, and at some point they're going to have to get a second star that can support Dirk and then take on top dog status. Signing Tyson to a large contract would cripple the Mavs chance acquiring that level of star.

It's not cut and dried, because not signing Tyson in order to go after, say, Deron Williams would essentially mean punting on this season. Which seems like a hard pill to swallow.