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Magnum_3_Ball · 01-25-2018, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

No way in hell Kawhi gets traded... any tension between him and team is solely due to his injury and perhaps him being more cautious than the team wanting to be.

He's been in the playoffs every years he been in the league. He's been to the conference finals 4 out of 6 seasons. He's been to the Finals twice and was Finals MVP.

His team is 31 - 18 largely without him, tied with the T-Wolves for the 3/4 seed. Short of getting traded to the Warriors I simply don't see why he would want out.

I can think of a couple reasons.

1) How much longer Poppovich is going to coach is something I've heard questioned several times.

2) Most of his better teammates are aging i.e. Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobili. Even Rudy Gay & Danny Green are entering the downhill side of their careers.

3) I heard it said recently (I think on this forum actually) that Kawhi Leonard is a lot like Dirk & isn't buddy buddy with a lot of NBA players. Meaning in this new AAU, recruit players to my team to make a super team NBA era, Kawhi isn't the type of personality to do that. He may see joining a super team as a necessity to competing during his prime years, so he may think he has a much better chance of leaving to join a super team rather than staying in SA & trying to recruit players to the Spurs.

Not to mention, we never hear about anything problematic with the Spurs. The mere fact this is out there, at the very least, suggests there could be a pretty serious rift between Leonard & the organization.

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-25-2018, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

No way in hell Kawhi gets traded...

First take is a horrendous source for serious sports journalism, but I saw this clip last night. Apparently, it's been known for awhile now in NBA circles that Kawhi wants out of San Antonio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaKWLFSRIA

EricaLubarsky · 01-22-2018, 07:41 PM

cheering for the Kings

sefant77 · 01-22-2018, 07:47 PM

Kidd....amazing PG, sucked ass as a coach. Bucks entire offense was a joke.

Underdog · 01-23-2018, 09:22 AM

@NickVanExit: Good Morning @NBA ICYMI:

Jason Kidd gets fired
Giannis comes to Kidd’s defense
Cavs Bad Player Meeting
Wiz Worse Player Meeting
Kawhi / Spurs Riff?
Boogie 43/23/10
Lillard meets with Paul Allen
MJ: ‘Hornets aren’t trading Kemba’
Carlisle tells Salah to ‘Get the f—- outta here”

EricaLubarsky · 01-23-2018, 10:22 AM

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@NickVanExit: Good Morning @NBA ICYMI:

Jason Kidd gets fired
Giannis comes to Kidd’s defense
Cavs Bad Player Meeting
Wiz Worse Player Meeting
Kawhi / Spurs Riff?
Boogie 43/23/10
Lillard meets with Paul Allen
MJ: ‘Hornets aren’t trading Kemba’
Carlisle tells Salah to ‘Get the f—- outta here”

Problem with super teams is there are 27-28 other teams that are falling apart and feeling the pressure.

Underdog · 01-23-2018, 04:30 PM

Let the rumors begin!

@wojespn: Sacramento and Cleveland continue to discuss a deal for guard George Hill, league sources tell ESPN. Iman Shumpert and Channing Frye are primary players in ongoing conversations.

@AlexKennedyNBA: NEW PODCAST! @Sam_Amick and I discuss rumors involving Kawhi Leonard, Kemba Walker, Damian Lillard, DeAndre Jordan, Lou Williams, Jordan Clarkson, Julius Randle, Rodney Hood, Tyreke Evans, Evan Fournier and George Hill. Oh, and what LeBron may do in July: http://hoopshype.com/2018/01/23/nba-...ture-and-more/

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-23-2018, 04:37 PM

Rumors involving Leonard? Huh?

saclare · 01-23-2018, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Rumors involving Leonard? Huh?

Most likely concerning the BSPN article I linked, claiming a rift in the Spurs organization rooted from Kawhi's injury/rehab. Hard eyeroll.

Underdog · 01-23-2018, 05:10 PM

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Rumors involving Leonard? Huh?

Apparently things are souring between Leonard and the Spurs FO. He wants out because they aren't putting any stars around him to get over the hump... But it sounds like they're having trouble luring stars because, like Dirk, he isn't buddy-buddy with a lot of guys around the league -- not to mention that the injuries are starting to pile up.

EricaLubarsky · 01-23-2018, 10:21 PM

What are the odds that Kawhi is traded? Rumors that he "wants out"

Aldridge also seems unhappy and may be part of the cause of Kawhi being unhappy

Underdog · 01-23-2018, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

What are the odds that Kawhi is traded? Rumors that he "wants out"

Dunno, but it went from "nothing" to a "dull rumble" rather quickly... Still not sure how much there is to the rumor though. Kinda getting the same vibes from this BSPN story as I did with the Kraft/Belichick/Brady nonsense that was quickly dispelled with another trip to the Super Bowl. I mean, maybe there's some animosity, but that doesn't mean these people aren't professionals who can't get their jobs done... Just not sure if Leonard is really on the market.

EricaLubarsky · 01-23-2018, 10:39 PM

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Dunno, but it went from "nothing" to a "dull rumble" rather quickly... Still not sure how much there is to the rumor though. Kinda getting the same vibes from this BSPN story as I did with the Kraft/Belichick/Brady nonsense that was quickly dispelled with another trip to the Super Bowl. I mean, maybe there's some animosity, but that doesn't mean these people aren't professionals who can't get their jobs done... Just not sure if Leonard is really on the market.

Between Aldridge asking for a trade and a lot of rumblings, I think it's at least plausible that one of the two of them are traded, but you may be right.

Kidd Karma · 01-24-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

What are the odds that Kawhi is traded? Rumors that he "wants out"

Aldridge also seems unhappy and may be part of the cause of Kawhi being unhappy

Quite the opposite regarding Aldridge, seems he told Pop about wanting to be traded

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...io/1027851001/

EricaLubarsky · 01-24-2018, 02:16 PM

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Quite the opposite regarding Aldridge, seems he told Pop about wanting to be traded

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...io/1027851001/

How is that the opposite of him being unhappy?

Kidd Karma · 01-25-2018, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

How is that the opposite of him being unhappy?

You don't pick up your player option for next season 3 months after going to the boss and asking for a trade. In addition he received a 2 year 50 million dollar extension, both sides seemed pretty dang happy, 3 months after the demand. He could have played out this season and walked, forget the trade demand. All Star season, best numbers as a Spur, another 50 million in the bank.....pretty happy to me.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-23-2018, 11:16 PM

The real problem is whether Leonard becomes Chandler Parson with regards to being injured all the time. He has played 9 games this season. Asking for a trade or not is the least of his problems.

mac222b · 01-25-2018, 02:06 PM

So strange about Kawhi. Never would've seen that coming. The Ringer had a fun hypothetical trade scenario column. The dumbest one was Denver trading Jokic, Murray, Wilson Chandler, Lyles and a 1st round pick for him. Why would he be happy going to Denver with no one to play with?

Boston, once again, has the assets.

EricaLubarsky · 01-26-2018, 10:21 PM

Harden 12 of his 22 coming from FTs

Really hoping they lose

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-26-2018, 10:52 PM

Philly gave the Spurs a SPANKING tonight! (Gives me some remote hope the Kings could sneak a miracle W out vs SA on Sunday)

mac222b · 01-26-2018, 11:45 PM

Looks like Boogie has an Achilles tear. That sucks

Underdog · 01-27-2018, 12:01 AM

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Looks like Boogie has an Achilles tear. That sucks

Well, that eliminates a potential trade target for Cleveland... Getting Wes might be one of the better options they have if they want to compete this season.

BPo001 · 01-27-2018, 12:05 AM

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Well, that eliminates a potential trade target for Cleveland... Getting Wes might be one of the better options they have if they want to compete this season.

It probably also eliminates one team potentially trading for Wes. Skin was on the radio earlier saying the Pelicans could have been a potentially suitor for him.

Underdog · 01-27-2018, 12:09 AM

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It probably also eliminates one team potentially trading for Wes. Skin was on the radio earlier saying the Pelicans could have been a potentially suitor for him.

Why would the Mavs trade for Boogie's expiring without any guarantee that he'd re-sign? We're not in win-now mode, so basically we'd just be giving Matthews away... Was NO going to attach a pick or something? Seems like they could do better.

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-27-2018, 06:07 AM

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It probably also eliminates one team potentially trading for Wes. Skin was on the radio earlier saying the Pelicans could have been a potentially suitor for him.

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Why would the Mavs trade for Boogie's expiring without any guarantee that he'd re-sign? We're not in win-now mode, so basically we'd just be giving Matthews away... Was NO going to attach a pick or something? Seems like they could do better.

Where in BPo001's post does it mention the Pelicans offering Boogie to the Mavericks for Wes Matthews?

Pelicans starting 5 for last night's game

PG Rondo
SG Jrue Holiday
SF E'Twaun Moore
PF Anthony Davis
C Boogie

If you're the Pelicans, which position would you look to improve first? If it's me, I'd take a look & ask myself is Wes Matthews better than E'Twaun Moore? If I think he is, then I wanna find out what the Mavs will accept for Wes Matthews.

If I'm the Mavs, I wouldn't consider anything less than Frank Jackson & the Pelicans' first round pick this year.

What BPo001 was saying is now that Boogie is done for the year the Pelicans have no use for Matthews.

BPo001 · 01-27-2018, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Why would the Mavs trade for Boogie's expiring without any guarantee that he'd re-sign? We're not in win-now mode, so basically we'd just be giving Matthews away... Was NO going to attach a pick or something? Seems like they could do better.

They were saying NO might trade for Wes. Not Wes for Boogie. Pelicans were looking like they were going to finally make the playoffs and having someone like Wes could have helped them advance to the second round. That would be huge for. Franchise that hasn't been relivant for the last decade.

mac222b · 01-26-2018, 11:46 PM

Maybe we can sign him- pair him with Wes and trade for Conley. All- Achilles- Stars

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-27-2018, 01:35 AM

Isn't that the Wes Matthews injury? If so, Boogie likely will never be the same player. Tough luck.

tap2390 · 01-27-2018, 10:22 AM

Man I feel for Boogie — we probably won’t see him until 2019. Not to mention as a traditional center coming back from an Achilles I don’t see him having the stamina and speed to keep up with a contending team. Hell, Wes just now started hitting threes again.

Going to be interesting to see what the Pelicans do. If I’m them I see if I can sign and trade Boogie to the Lakers for Deng, Kuzma, and a 1st round pick.

EricaLubarsky · 01-27-2018, 10:53 AM

Probably an insane counterfactual/hypothetical, but...

If NO calls and asks for out first rounder this year for Davis, do you do it?

mac222b · 01-27-2018, 11:13 AM

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Probably an insane counterfactual/hypothetical, but...

If NO calls and asks for out first rounder this year for Davis, do you do it?

For Davis? They can call the Celtics and get two lottery picks, Jaylen Brown or Tatum and other assets for him

BPo001 · 01-27-2018, 03:50 PM

Grizz going full tank.

Michael Wallace: Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace announces in email moments ago to MVP season-ticket holders that Mike Conley will require season-ending surgery “to smooth a small bone protrusion” in his left heel. Conley is expected to make a full recovery ahead of training camp. – via Twitter MyMikeCheck

sefant77 · 01-27-2018, 03:52 PM

Yeah 10-15 Games before The end of the end of the season Gasol is going to have some fake season ending injury

Scoobay · 01-27-2018, 08:15 PM

Roberson just went down for OKC. Patellar tendon rupture? Hate to see that but
I’ve said it before... I think Wes would be a huge upgrade for them.
Much more reliable on offense and still very good defender.
Not sure what they have to offer though...

sefant77 · 01-27-2018, 08:26 PM

Thunder allready traded their 18 and 20 1st....

Underdog · 01-27-2018, 08:45 PM

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Thunder allready traded their 18 and 20 1st....

Yep, Timberwolves have OKC's pick this year.

Kidd Karma · 01-29-2018, 07:02 PM

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Yep, Timberwolves have OKC's pick this year.

With Roberson lost, that pick might get a little better.....but probably not bad enough to get in the lottery without a tank job....which allows the Wolves to keep it in 2018.

mac222b · 01-27-2018, 09:54 PM

Terrence Ferguson, all day. He’s better than a first round pick. Not sure how we’d make salaried match. Also not sure they’d even do it

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-28-2018, 12:21 AM

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Terrence Ferguson, all day. He’s better than a first round pick. Not sure how we’d make salaried match. Also not sure they’d even do it

I like this idea, but the salaries don't really work. Matthews is making $17.8 mil this year. I'm not sure how a mid-season trade impacts the salary cap, is the current year's salary prorated?

Thunder only have a couple guys they could deal that would make sense. Kyle Singler, but he's only making $4.6 mil this year. Alex Abrines too, but he's only making $5.7 mil & if the Thunder trade him & Ferguson, then they don't have anyone to back up Wes at SG. Patrick Patterson is making $5.1 mil this yr, but he's their starting PF, and they only have old man Nick Collison to back up Patterson. Doesn't really help them to upgrade their SG spot at the expense of their PF spot.

Unfortunately, the Thunder don't really have any bad contracts they need to dump.

mac222b · 01-28-2018, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnum_3_Ball

I like this idea, but the salaries don't really work. Matthews is making $17.8 mil this year. I'm not sure how a mid-season trade impacts the salary cap, is the current year's salary prorated?

Thunder only have a couple guys they could deal that would make sense. Kyle Singler, but he's only making $4.6 mil this year. Alex Abrines too, but he's only making $5.7 mil & if the Thunder trade him & Ferguson, then they don't have anyone to back up Wes at SG. Patrick Patterson is making $5.1 mil this yr, but he's their starting PF, and they only have old man Nick Collison to back up Patterson. Doesn't really help them to upgrade their SG spot at the expense of their PF spot.

Unfortunately, the Thunder don't really have any bad contracts they need to dump.

Yeah it would take a third team or something but they don’t even have any other assets really. I think it’s moot because I think they hold on to Ferguson unless someone calls and offers a real difference maker. Kid looks for real