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Windmill360 · 07-29-2009, 11:05 PM

Toronto now the whitest team in the league?

Calderon
Rasho
Bargnani
Belinelli
Hedo

and Bosh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7IZP7u9FE

MavsFanFinley · 07-29-2009, 11:23 PM

It's a good trade for Toronto.

Belinelli showed a lot of promise but had some injury issues and fell out of the rotation. GS has a glut at his position so it made sense to trade him out of all the guys they have.

I have my doubts George is in there plans but we'll see.

Justin Credible · 07-30-2009, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

and Bosh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7IZP7u9FE

That really reminds me of this:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0gb9v4LI4o

Windmill360 · 07-30-2009, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin Credible

That really reminds me of this:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0gb9v4LI4o

really? cause it reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UICgA-P67Zw

sefant77 · 07-30-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Toronto now the whitest team in the league?

Calderon
Rasho
Bargnani
Belinelli
Hedo

and Bosh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7IZP7u9FE

The most important factor is that they still have to suck next season. Maximum #7 or #8 and an ass-whopping in round 1

Welcome Mr. Bosh

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-30-2009, 04:21 PM

Odom staying with Lakers...crap.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4367213

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-31-2009, 12:58 AM

Zach Randolph > Boozer?

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The hottest Carlos Boozer tale to blip onto the radar this week: Sources say Memphis had the option of trading for Boozer instead of Zach Randolph earlier this month. Yet the Grizz decided, apparently with considerable input from coach Lionel Hollins, that Boozer would have been less than thrilled to play out the final season of his contract in Graceland, thus convincing them that Randolph -- starting over for the third time -- would be more productive. ESPN.com

That F.O. is truly pathetic. They lack that much confidence in their own team that a star player would even want to join them! lol. It's sad to think what they are now compared to a few years ago when they were actually a solid playoff team. (with 1st round exits, but still)

mavs777 · 07-31-2009, 02:30 AM

I think both are severly overrated because of their attitudes/ defense, I would probably call it a wash in talent

Mavsfan4ever · 07-31-2009, 07:12 AM

I been reading around the net and it surprises me all the foolish people who think the Lakers/Spurs are locked into the WCF. Anyone else find this to a foolish assumption?

Underdog · 07-31-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

I been reading around the net and it surprises me all the foolish people who think the Lakers/Spurs are locked into the WCF. Anyone else find this to a foolish assumption?

It's not foolish to assume the Lakers might get there, but the Spurs were a first-round exit last season...

San Antonio might have gotten better this summer, but so did all the best teams in the West - they have as much to prove as anyone right now, so you definitely can't consider them a lock...

fluid.forty.one · 07-31-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Zach Randolph > Boozer?

That F.O. is truly pathetic. They lack that much confidence in their own team that a star player would even want to join them! lol. It's sad to think what they are now compared to a few years ago when they were actually a solid playoff team. (with 1st round exits, but still)

In their defense, Boozer is a prima donna bitch and they are absolutely right.

MavsFanFinley · 07-31-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

I been reading around the net and it surprises me all the foolish people who think the Lakers/Spurs are locked into the WCF. Anyone else find this to a foolish assumption?

It's hard to bet against the Lakers right now. They are the favorites and champions until another team proves otherwise.

I think it's anyone else's game after that.

MavsFanFinley · 07-31-2009, 04:07 PM

Looks like the Knicks picked up Jason Williams off waivers. Interesting move since they're also rumored to be after Sessions.

Windmill360 · 08-02-2009, 04:54 PM

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Geoff Calkins: Scouts' honor, Grizzlies' cutbacks revealing priority

The Grizzlies really should get rid of their ushers.

The seat numbers are right there on the tickets, aren't they? Can't people find their own seats?

Then they should cut back on dancers. So many dancers. Wouldn't one really good dancer be enough? Especially if it were Linea?

One ball boy should be plenty, too. Let the kid run back and forth between the two hoops.

And one combination radio/TV guy. Why should the Grizzlies pay for Pete Pranica and Eric Haseltine to call the same game?

I bring this up because the Grizzlies recently decided to let go of their scouts. Yes, all of their scouts.

"I prefer a smaller group," said Chris Wallace, the Grizzlies GM.

You have to love Wallace, don't you? He could have put a positive spin on the yellow fever epidemic.

"I prefer a smaller city," he'd have said.

Last season, the Grizzlies had five full-time amateur scouts. David Booth, Ryan West, Ed Manning, Ray Jones and Marin Sedlacek.

This season, the Grizzlies will have no full-time college scouts. Booth, West, Manning, Jones and Selacek are all gone.

A couple of them fled the building; a few more were let go. The Grizzlies will use a part-time scout to help them keep on eye on players in Europe. They do not plan to make any hires.

"We had a restructuring," said Wallace, and I guess you could call it that.

The Grizzlies restructured their scouting department the way the city restructured the old Baptist Hospital. With well-placed dynamite.

To be sure, it's highly possible that a vacant scouting department could do just as well as the former scouting department. Wonder where Troy Bell is today?

Wallace makes the point -- a fair one -- that scouting in the NBA is not like scouting in the NFL. A team makes a couple of picks a year. Any moron can identify the top few players. Wallace, Tony Barone, Tony Barone Jr. and Kenny Williamson -- all still with the franchise -- can get out there and see those players themselves.

But it's hard not to look at this move as additional evidence that the Grizzlies care less about basketball than the bottom line. No scouts? For a team that has said it is committed to building through the draft?

Of course, who needs basketball people around when the owner doesn't pay attention to what they say? If he did, Hakim Warrick would still be on the team. Nobody on the basketball side endorsed Heisley's decision to let Warrick walk.

Heading into the offseason, Wallace described Warrick as "one of the most potent bench scorers in the league." At the press conference introducing Hasheem Thabeet, head coach Lionel Hollins said he'd be mixing up the names "Hasheem" and "Hakim" all year long.

Or, not, as it turns out. The Grizzlies pulled their offer to Warrick because they didn't want to give him $3 million a year, or exactly as much as the Milwaukee Bucks then agreed to pay the guy.

Never mind that the Grizzlies said they needed more scoring off the bench. Never mind that they said they needed more veteran leadership.

The Grizzlies' second unit now consists of three rookies (Thabeet, Sam Young and DeMarre Carroll), one second-year player (Darrell Arthur) and one free agent (Marcus Williams, though the signing isn't official yet) who wasn't able to stick with the Nets or the Warriors.

So how do you put a positive spin on that? If you're not Wallace, I mean?

How do you resist the conclusion that Heisley has settled on a strategy that values dollars over wins?

He can't sell the franchise so he'll run it as cheaply as possible. He'll use the Grizzlies' cap space to facilitate trades for other teams. The Grizzlies will be rewarded with "cash considerations." They'll be the Memphis Grizzlies & Money Launderers.

If Rudy Gay and O.J. Mayo develop into stars and the fans come back, great. If not, Heisley can hang on, keeping his losses down, and sell the team to an out-of-town owner when the penalty for breaking the lease is less prohibitive.

It's not a bad strategy for running a business, actually. Just a demoralizing way to build a basketball team.

No scouts. No Warrick. No scorers off the bench.

Someone better call Linea.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...ling-priority/

MavsFanFinley · 08-04-2009, 12:10 AM

The Celtics sign Sheldon Williams. Nice move to help the bench.

I'd rather have Powe but they might not have the luxury of waiting on him to return.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 08-04-2009, 01:45 AM

Since the Grizzles FO doesn't even apparently care about basketball at all anymore, maybe they would actually be dumb enough to take back the buckshot that they gave us for Marc Gasol lol.

darkwitzki · 08-04-2009, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Since the Grizzles FO doesn't even apparently care about basketball at all anymore, maybe they would actually be dumb enough to take back the buckshot that they gave us for Marc Gasol lol.

Seriously? They are not aware of the "Buck shot"?

Windmill360 · 08-04-2009, 02:08 PM

Nah there's a rule that doesn't allow a player to be traded to the same team again in one season.

Windmill360 · 08-04-2009, 08:09 PM

Source: Knicks Will Get Sessions

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Alan Hahn reports on the latest information he is hearing about the Knicks' pursuit of Ramon Sessions as the team's next point guard.

"What I have been told is the Knicks want Sessions and they will eventually get him," Hahn writes. "The price remains TBD."

Hahn earlier reported that the Knicks were offering slightly less than the team's mid-level exception, which starts at around $5.8 million in the first season.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar..._get_sessions/
shame. a waste of talent. The Knicks are a black hole. We won't see him for a while.

Underdog · 08-04-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Source: Knicks Will Get Sessions
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar..._get_sessions/
shame. a waste of talent. The Knicks are a black hole. We won't see him for a while.

fluid.forty.one · 08-05-2009, 10:06 AM

per ESPN:

NBA's CBA talks get underway

NEW YORK -- The countdown to the next NBA lockout began in a way Tuesday, with commissioner David Stern and a group of 10 team owners making it abundantly clear that they will not extend the current labor deal into the 2011-12 season.

The owners met with players' union representatives for nearly 3½ hours at a Manhattan hotel in the first formal round of collective bargaining talks toward the next NBA labor agreement.

The current deal will run for two more seasons, and the owners must notify the players on Dec. 15, 2010, whether they intend to extend the deal for an additional season.

But the message from the owners Tuesday was this: They're opting out.

And so began the countdown to June 30, 2011, when the current labor agreement -- the one that raised the age limit and made permanent the luxury tax -- will expire.

"We knew that coming into today, and that's why we agreed to meet today -- to get this process started. We don't plan on waiting until 2011 to have the talks we need to have to keep this relationship a strong one," players union president Derek Fisher said.

Fisher, elected in June to a four-year term as union president, was joined by union director Billy Hunter, staff attorneys and union negotiating council members Theo Ratliff, Roger Mason Jr., Etan Thomas, Keyon Dooling and Maurice Evans. Chris Paul, Adonal Foyle and James Jones were unable to attend.

The owners were represented by Peter Holt of the San Antonio Spurs, the head of their labor negotiating committee, James Dolan of the New York Knicks, Jeannie Buss of the Los Angeles Lakers, Dan Gilbert of the Cleveland Cavaliers, Wyc Grousbeck of the Boston Celtics, Clay Bennett of the Oklahoma City Thunder, Robert Sarver of the Phoenix Suns, Glen Taylor of the Minnesota Timberwolves, George Shinn of the New Orleans Hornets and Portland Trail Blazers president Larry Miller.

Fisher said the owners laid out their argument that under current economic conditions, too many franchises are losing too much money to continue operating under the present system.

Neither side made any proposals, with the meeting described as more introductory than substantive. No owners or league executives commented, although the league office and the players union issued a joint statement calling the talks "cordial and productive."

"They continued to point that overall our game is in good shape in terms of our fans, our television ratings, and even though our attendance was down in some areas, it still was the third-highest attendance in league history, so there are a lot of foundation bellweather numbers that are strong with our game," Fisher said.

Stern has said about half of the league's 30 teams are unprofitable, and several owners have lost enormous amounts of wealth in the global financial meltdown of the past nine months.

Still, many of the strongest teams (Lakers, Boston, Cleveland, San Antonio, Orlando, Utah) have shown a willingness to spend themselves into luxury tax territory this summer in pursuit of a championship, while struggling franchises in Memphis, Sacramento and New Jersey have been shedding staff and cutting costs, and the Charlotte Bobcats are one of several teams with a For Sale sign posted.

"There are still obviously some teams that have some issues," Fisher said. "We didn't get into specific teams and their specific issues today, but it was a big picture look at where the league has been the last four years since this collective bargaining agreement began, and then where we think the league will be next year after some of the economic data comes in."

The sides said they planned to set up another bargaining meeting before training camps begin in late September.

dirno2000 · 08-05-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Source: Knicks Will Get Sessions

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar..._get_sessions/
shame. a waste of talent. The Knicks are a black hole. We won't see him for a while.

He's been in Milwaukee.

MavsFanFinley · 08-05-2009, 02:30 PM

Stackhouse will work out for the Knicks.

dirno2000 · 08-05-2009, 02:52 PM

One potential trade/FA target may be going off the board. Apparently the Hawks and Joe Johnson are talking extension this week.

Kidd Karma · 08-06-2009, 03:09 PM

Free agent threats, Azubuike may leave because of the CJ Watson situation, maybe we can get in there with something in trade. Agents have a way of raising hell.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...zubuikes_fate/

Windmill360 · 08-06-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Free agent threats, Azubuike may leave because of the CJ Watson situation, maybe we can get in there with something in trade. Agents have a way of raising hell.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...zubuikes_fate/

may their franchise be damned forever.

Windmill360 · 08-06-2009, 03:39 PM

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Rashard Lewis of the Orlando Magic has been suspended without pay for ten games for violating the terms of the NBA/NBPA Anti-Drug Program by testing positive for an elevated testosterone level, it was announced today by the NBA.

Lewis’ suspension will begin with the first game of the 2009-10 NBA regular season for which he is eligible and physically able to play.

RealGM Note: One source told the Orlando Sentinel said he believed Lewis’s positive test was "an honest mistake."

"There are more than 100 banned substances on the league’s list and athletes have to watch everything they take from common cold medications to vitamins to supplements," the source said.

The Sentinel reports that Lewis was taking a supplement that included DHEA.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...osterone_test/

So is this a common thing now? Florida teams cheating?

EricaLubarsky · 08-06-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Free agent threats, Azubuike may leave because of the CJ Watson situation, maybe we can get in there with something in trade. Agents have a way of raising hell.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...zubuikes_fate/

Azubuike would be a heck of a pickup for the Mavs. 6'5", young, good defensive effort and a nice jumper from 15-30 feet.

He mostly played SF because of the roster in golden state, but the guy can easily be a starting SG in the league.

Underdog · 08-06-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Azubuike would be a heck of a pickup for the Mavs. 6'5", young, good defensive effort and a nice jumper from 15-30 feet.

He mostly played SF because of the roster in golden state, but the guy can easily be a starting SG in the league.

He would definitely make Josh Howard expendable...

(he shot 45% from beyond the arc last season!)

Windmill360 · 08-06-2009, 04:51 PM

we're talking about next off-season, right? I don't see Golden State trading anything to us.

MavsFanFinley · 08-06-2009, 05:37 PM

I don't see GS trading with Dallas. Not as long as Nelson is with GS and Cuban is with Dallas.

Azubuike is a hell of a player and I'd hate to see GS lose him.

GS gave CJ Watson a chance and he excelled with them and now how GS treats him could affect Azubuike's situation? Seems dumb to me. I'd worry about it next summer instead of knee jerking to threats right now.

EricaLubarsky · 08-06-2009, 06:44 PM

yeah I know its a pipe dream, but a three way trade may work. The warriors really like Watson and want him to develop but are caught in a catch 22.

If they give Watson a big contract and big playtime it will cut into Azubuike's playtime and Azubuike will want to take off to find more minutes elsewhere and he can next season (player option). If they neglect Watson, their shared agent will be filling Azubuike's ear with shady talk and he may walk anyway.

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"Next season, Kelenna Azubuike is a free agent and is represented by the same agent as C.J. Watson. If the Warriors screw over Watson, I guarantee that Azubuike will leave. No question, they'll return the favor," a source close to the situation tells RealGM's Alex Kennedy.

MavsFanFinley · 08-08-2009, 10:54 PM

What team would you rather coach: Kings or Timberwolves?

I might be a little bias when I pick the Kings but apparently Rambis would rather coach the Timberwolves.

dirno2000 · 08-09-2009, 01:38 AM

From a purely basketball standpoint Minn. is a better job because of Al Johnson and Kevin Love. That's a nice foundation at the 4 and 5.

badfish22 · 08-09-2009, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

From a purely basketball standpoint Minn. is a better job because of Al Johnson and Kevin Love. That's a nice foundation at the 4 and 5.

Its Al Jefferson, but ya combine them with Flynn, and later Rubio and thats a good team for the future.

dirno2000 · 08-09-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by badfish22

Its Al Jefferson, but ya combine them with Flynn, and later Rubio and thats a good team for the future.

Must have been thinking about the washed up former Cowboys center

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Usually Lurkin · 08-09-2009, 08:15 AM

What's up with Memphis? They just picked up Steven Hunter, which gives them 4 7 footers. That's 9 guys listed as F/C, and 3 guys listed for the 2 guard spots.

Nowitzki4President · 08-09-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

What's up with Memphis? They just picked up Steven Hunter, which gives them 4 7 footers. That's 9 guys listed as F/C, and 3 guys listed for the 2 guard spots.

I'd think they'd be considering Gasol trades at this point...

badfish22 · 08-09-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

What's up with Memphis? They just picked up Steven Hunter, which gives them 4 7 footers. That's 9 guys listed as F/C, and 3 guys listed for the 2 guard spots.

Its Memphis no one ever knows what the hell they're doing.
I think they just do stuff for shock value.

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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

I'd think they'd be considering Gasol trades at this point...

Terry for Gasol+Jaric= My fantasy
Then get Bell for buckner

Bayliss · 08-10-2009, 10:30 AM

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Aug 10, 2009 11:07 AM EST

Linas Kleiza has agreed to a two-year, $12.2 million with an opt-out next year with Olympiakos, a source told Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports.

RealGM Note: Kleiza emerged as a potent scoring option off the bench for the Nuggets, but the free agent found a depressed economy for his services.

Looks like Denver got weaker. Kleiza didn't play much in the playoffs against the Mavs but he was a huge reason why they had a good record. He was a nice bench player for them who could fill in for them in spots.