Jason Terry moves to the Two spot - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

nikeball · 09-20-2006, 02:16 AM

probably discussed about before...but i havent seen an official/semi-official announcement til now...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...wire&type=lgns
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Update: Coach Avery Johnson has plans to move Terry off the ball this season, according to the Dallas Morning News. Plans are to have Terry play permanently at the 2, with Devin Harris and Anthony Johnson sharing duties at the point guard spot.

Recommendation: A definite position could mean a huge year from Terry, who has had to sacrifice much of his offensive game in the name of point guard duties during his previous years with the Mavericks. Expect Terry's offensive numbers to climb at the 2.
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Think Devin is ready for the PG slot? or should we stick with Anthony Johnson for more experience? I do expect Terry to handle some PG duties still...a combo guard for sure...25% PG and 75% SG sounds about right. Terry's pick and rolls with Dirk work better than with Devin because he can obviously hit the outside shots better.

Purple&Gold · 09-20-2006, 04:31 AM

Not surprised, but i dunno man Devin Harris is better suited for the 1 so we'll see

Folterkammer · 09-20-2006, 04:55 AM

so we will have 4 sg`s? does anyone think that stack and buckner will be happy with 10 minutes a game? no way !

kriD · 09-20-2006, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Folterkammer

so we will have 4 sg`s? does anyone think that stack and buckner will be happy with 10 minutes a game? no way !

1. Ager doesn't count (yet)

2. Stack will see additional minutes at the 3

3. Buck WILL be happy with 10-12 mins a game

4. Unfortunately injuries will happen (special candiates: Stack, Howard)

kg_veteran · 09-20-2006, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kriD

1. Ager doesn't count (yet)

2. Stack will see additional minutes at the 3

3. Buck WILL be happy with 10-12 mins a game

4. Unfortunately injuries will happen (special candiates: Stack, Howard)

The other possibility is that, as some have suggested, a trade is coming to clear a bit of the logjam.

dalmations202 · 09-20-2006, 08:22 AM

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The other possibility is that, as some have suggested, a trade is coming to clear a bit of the logjam.

I can't see any trades that would do this.

Stack, I would think would have to be the one to go.

Who could you bring back that makes that mid-level money, or has cap space?
Maybe to Charlotte, if they have the cap space?

Stack packaged with Damp could bring a high dollar Big, only the only one that might be available is Chris Webber, and I don't see Nelson Sr, Jr, or III signing him even if he only had two years left on his contract.

I agree that it is a possibility, but trades at this point to clear space seem pretty hard to do. I just entered one in the trade forum, but I don't think it could happen either.

Underdog · 09-20-2006, 09:00 AM

TERRY at the 2? We finally don't have to debate this point any longer - back to the trade scenario fantasy?

sike · 09-20-2006, 09:01 AM

webber is laughable.

the closer the season gets the more vindicated I feel about my 1.Harris 2. JT prediction for 07.

if KG's reminder of other's suggestion (confusing) is correct, I'd be on the same "get Stack out" bandwagon that I've been on for the past 18 months or so...

fluid.forty.one · 09-20-2006, 09:04 AM

Awesome news

Tokey41 · 09-20-2006, 04:55 PM

No surprise... now if Johnson starts then I will be surprised, and a little sad.

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-20-2006, 06:42 PM

This is what I expected. Good to see Harris/Terry starting.

dirno2000 · 09-20-2006, 06:51 PM

I wouldn't consider this news. It sounds like Yahoo picked it up from the DMN article where David Moore was speculating on how the lineup might shake out.

seelenjaeger · 09-20-2006, 07:16 PM

Just don´t see how AJ can say he´s playing D ball AND moving Terry to the SG.

Underdog · 09-20-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by seelenjaeger

Just don´t see how AJ can say he´s playing D ball AND moving Terry to the SG.

"Rotation"

DLord · 09-20-2006, 08:00 PM

This is utter nonsense.

Jason Terry has NOT been moved to the SG position.

Avery Johnson did not make any such decision or announcement.
David Moore [Dallas Morning News] did not say any such thing either.

Some copy boy at yahoo sports misread an article in the DMN and took it to mean more than it actually said. And now you guys are being sucked in even farther.

It is true that JET may indeed spend more time playing off the ball this year than last. In fact the Mavs built their roster this off-season to allow that option. And I am on record as saying I think the opening day starter at the 2 is most likely to be JET.

[Note that I completely disagree with D Moore on who else will be the most likely competitors for the other starting guard spot alongside Terry. Here's the link if you want to read the details. http://www.dallasbasketball.com/more...?id=3632&NAV=1 ]

But because some of us are speculating that JET may play more off the ball this season, that doesnt mean he has been moved by Avery to SG as his "position." At this point, no decision has been made about who will start, who will play where, and so on. And the season is a long one, so I suspect even if I was accurate and JET is announced in the starting lineup alongside D Harris on opening day, there will be tons of minutes that he is playing as the PG on this team during this season.

Note also one other important point: I think there is (by design) a very fuzzy distinction between the guards in the Avery system. He likes to play "combo" guards. If he is playing two combo guards, who is the SG and who is the PG? Both. Neither. Who cares. So since JET is a combo guard, any label as a PG or a SG is likely to be somewhat inaccurate.

Drbio · 09-20-2006, 08:05 PM

Thanks DL.

Underdog · 09-20-2006, 08:14 PM

I don't think we'll see permanent starters at the 1, 2, or 5 this season... We know we're contenders, so we'll have to use heavy rotation to keep our role players healthy for the playoffs... Plus, I'm sure injuries & several players' ability to play more than one position will provide enough minutes for everyone (maybe even our rookies - or at least Ager...)

Sorry, but speculation is simply a by-product of the waiting game - we're all guilty of it...

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-21-2006, 01:16 AM

Thanks for pointing this out DLord.

Dang, I was hoping we'd have a final decision.

MavsX · 09-21-2006, 08:32 AM

jackpot

sike · 09-21-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DLord

But because some of us are speculating that JET may play more off the ball this season, that doesnt mean he has been moved by Avery to SG as his "position." At this point, no decision has been made about who will start, who will play where, and so on. And the season is a long one, so I suspect even if I was accurate and JET is announced in the starting lineup alongside D Harris on opening day, there will be tons of minutes that he is playing as the PG on this team during this season.

Note also one other important point: I think there is (by design) a very fuzzy distinction between the guards in the Avery system. He likes to play "combo" guards. If he is playing two combo guards, who is the SG and who is the PG? Both. Neither. Who cares. So since JET is a combo guard, any label as a PG or a SG is likely to be somewhat inaccurate.

if the playoffs are any indication at all, I'd say AJ's desire to move JT around is beyond speculation...and as far as the guard spots being "fuzzy", I don't care at all what they call it, as long as JT and DH are seeing floor time together I love the offensive potential. If it turns out to be a poor move I'll be the first to admit it...

remember, when they were on the court last season, Harris would guard whoever the better offensive opponant was...so many nights it might be something like Harris is 1 on O and 2 on D.

either way, where there's smoke...

WurzburgBorn · 09-21-2006, 12:26 PM

I have some concerns about Devin Harris and Jason Terry playing together in the backcourt.

I know Devin played well against the Spurs in the playoffs, but if you look at 82games.com's best 5-man lineups for the Mavs last year (http://www.82games.com/0506/0506DAL2.HTM) you see that our most effective lineups were with Terry at point and Griffin or Daniels at the 2.

Most effective lineups:
1. Terry-Griffin-Howard-Nowitzki-Diop
2. Terry-Daniels-Howard-Nowitzki-Dampier
3.Terry-Griffin-Howard-Nowitzki-Dampier
4. Terry-Stackhouse-Howard-Nowitzki-Diop
5. Terry-Daniels-Stackhouse-Nowitzki-Dampier

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first Harris, Terry lineup
12. Harris-Terry-Howard-Nowitzki-Dampier

What do these stats mean? Are they not useful in this context? I know stats don't explain everything, but it seems like these stats indicate that we need a better defender in the backcourt and that we have a serious defensive liability when Devin and Jason handle the backcourt together. Maybe Devin will improve enough to make up for this?

Drbio · 09-22-2006, 08:55 AM

We really need to bring back the moon.

Underdog · 09-22-2006, 09:03 AM

Looks like FOX Sports is biting on the rumor too:

FANTASY NEWS (Thu. Sep 21, 2006)

Devin Harris - #34 - Point Guard - 6'3" - 185lbs

News: Jason Terry will move to shooting guard for the Mavs this season, with Anthony Johnson and Devin Harris fighting it out for the starting point guard job.

Impact: Harris has been shooting about 600 jumpers a day trying to develop an outside shot. We think the two may end up splitting time this year, but as of now, Harris should be drafted before Johnson in fantasy leagues.

sike · 09-22-2006, 09:48 AM

whatever the outcome...JT's numbers should be higher

Underdog · 09-22-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

whatever the outcome...JT's numbers should be higher

Hopefully everyone's numbers will be higher...

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-23-2006, 11:15 AM

I don't think you have to define him as moving to the 2 spot. You just have to think that DH is starting, and they will just switch off. Who cares? Both are gonna get big minutes so players like Buckner, Stack, DG can deal with it.

Underdog · 09-23-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I don't think you have to define him as moving to the 2 spot. You just have to think that DH is starting, and they will just switch off. Who cares? Both are gonna get big minutes so players like Buckner, Stack, DG can deal with it.

Yeah, like I said - I think the 1 is going to be a lot like the 5... Diop starts, but Damp gets the most minutes, and hopefully DJ will be able to squeeze some gametime in as well...