Official Mavs 2020 Draft/Free Agency Thread - Page 30 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2020, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

PF is still looking shaky as heck. Really only DFS and Kleber although at 6’9” Doncic isn’t terrible at bodying up most PFs

And that makes Josh Green pick is even more questionable with the other moves we made. Bey could have played PF or we could have picked Achiuwa.

But I'll reserve judgement on Green until he gets a chance to prove me wrong.

quietsavant · 11-19-2020, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

People are going to love Richardson. Crazy good two-way player

I think Green will be a fan favorite

Terry is going to make us forget Curry while hopefully defending and staying healthy.

Bey? I doubt he gets PT

Getting Richardson and Doe on the same team is a steal. We NEEDED this. Needed some bark and some bite. One area that was evident during that clippers matchup. These two guys pride themselves on defense. If Richardson can consistently knock down that 3. Rick's gonna do wonders with him and dorian.

Green is a plus of course and his development will be great to watch.

Don't know much about tyrell but based on some opinions (johnston Tjarks etc..) we might've gotten an off the bench torch in development

tap2390 · 11-19-2020, 12:39 AM

Green is definitely growing on me. The Justin Anderson comparison doesn’t hold water because Green has much more functional athleticism. When we are winning championships in a few years we’ll be look back at the 2018 and 2020 drafts.

MFFL · 11-19-2020, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

PF is still looking shaky as heck. Really only DFS and Kleber although at 6’9” Doncic isn’t terrible at bodying up most PFs

We have the MLE so I expect that will be used on a PF

sefant77 · 11-19-2020, 12:48 AM

Lets dump Wright and his 21-22 salary. He has no place on this team with all the new guys. Some team is going to be desperate for some depth (Warriors, Portland etc)

Dtownsfinest · 11-19-2020, 12:50 AM

I really don't get why the Sixers even made that move.......I know Doc is his father in law but sheesh....

Thespiralgoeson · 11-19-2020, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I really don't get why the Sixers even made that move.......I know Doc is his father in law but sheesh....

They are absolutely DESPERATE for shooters. We were desperate for perimeter defense. Makes sense for both teams, but yeah I feel like we got the better deal.

Dallas41 · 11-19-2020, 01:05 AM

I'm just glad the Mavs finally got a pair of wing players that have size to defend in Richardson and Green.

Having said that I'm not going to act like Curry is easy to replace.

Dude was a elite shooter 49% from the fg and 45% from 3pt range if I'm not mistaken. I don't expect any of the new players to match those numbers.

I'm going to miss Seth but I'm glad he's going to a really good situation and fits great with Simmons and Embid.

Mavs sacrificed some of that #1 offense to get better defense and I think it'll make them much better in playoff matchups.

Dallas41 · 11-19-2020, 01:05 AM

I'm just glad the Mavs finally got a pair of wing players that have size to defend in Richardson and Green.

Having said that I'm not going to act like Curry is easy to replace.

Dude was a elite shooter 49% from the fg and 45% from 3pt range if I'm not mistaken. I don't expect any of the new players to match those numbers.

I'm going to miss Seth but I'm glad he's going to a really good situation and fits great with Simmons and Embid.

Mavs sacrificed some of that #1 offense to get better defense and I think it'll make them much better in playoff matchups.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2020, 01:13 AM

Nice.

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1329303847647535104

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2020, 01:14 AM

Nice.

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1329303847647535104

Dallas41 · 11-19-2020, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

We have some pieces for C. Wood.

https://youtu.be/4IFsE38cJto

Swap dFS with Wood starting and that's a lot for teams to handle.

I think you underrate DFS....

I personally don't think Wood would start over him because DFS is the more versatile defender and he gives RC more flexibility in using him defensively from 1-4.

I think you need both him and Richardson on the floor together defensively because it allows you to hide Luka.

You can't do that with Wood who most likely only defends a 4 or 5 man.

DFS is also a proven starter on a playoff team where as Wood put up good numbers but let's keep in mind it was for a bad Pistons team and he only did it for like 20-30 games not even a half a season.

But I feel like RC really likes DFS and unless your getting an All star he's going to start at the 4.

Dtownsfinest · 11-19-2020, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

I think you underrate DFS....

I personally don't think Wood would start over him because DFS is the more versatile defender and he gives RC more flexibility in using him defensively from 1-4.

I think you need both him and Richardson on the floor together defensively because it allows you to hide Luka.

You can't do that with Wood who most likely only defends a 4 or 5 man.

DFS is also a proven starter on a playoff team where as Wood put up good numbers but let's keep in mind it was for a bad Pistons team and he only did it for like 20-30 games not even a half a season.

But I feel like RC really likes DFS and unless your getting an All star he's going to start at the 4.

Is DFS a actual 4? Seems like he can play the 3.

rimrocker · 11-19-2020, 03:07 AM

Very good night for the Mavs.
Seth for Rich just made a ton of sense and getting the pick was a bonus.

Probably would have rather seen them take S. Bey instead of Green but Green has more upside and gives us incredible and much needed athleticism.

DFS, Green, Bey and Richardson give us some serious defense at the wings and the best part is just how damn young we are.

rimrocker · 11-19-2020, 03:22 AM

Luka/Brunson/Terry
THJ/Burke/Wright
Richardson/Green/Jackson
DFS/Maxi/Bey
KP/Powell/WCS/Boban

Nice young team to build on.

Wright and Jackson need to be moved and I'd still like to see us re-sign Burke.

rimrocker · 11-19-2020, 03:22 AM

Luka/Brunson/Terry
THJ/Burke/Wright
Richardson/Green/Jackson
DFS/Maxi/Bey
KP/Powell/WCS/Boban

Nice young team to build on.

Wright and Jackson need to be moved and I'd still like to see us re-sign Burke.

mac222b · 11-19-2020, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Selling high on Seth was the right move. Wish we could have done it for Thybulle but getting Richardson + another stab at a wing prospect in Bey is absolutely a win.

Exactly this. Sell high on Seth. I love the guy and He’s one of the best shooters on the planet, but he’s always dinged up. And he’s not getting any younger. Richardson is durable and a better defender and younger. Hopefully his shooting ticks up here playing with Luka and better spacing. It should.

mac222b · 11-19-2020, 03:36 AM

Man we just got so much longer, younger and more athletic overnight. Feels good. Now just get a 4/5 in FA and we set.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-19-2020, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Man we just got so much longer, younger and more athletic overnight. Feels good. Now just get a 4/5 in FA and we set.

It really is a shame that WCS is/was in Carlisle's doghouse. Seems like we could really use him this year.

FreshJive · 11-19-2020, 05:46 AM

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It really is a shame that WCS is/was in Carlisle's doghouse. Seems like we could really use him this year.

He wasn't in anybody's dog house.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-19-2020, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

He wasn't in anybody's dog house.

Had me fooled considering we almost never saw him.

dirt_dobber · 11-19-2020, 06:41 AM

Bobby Karalla@bobbykaralla
@The_BBall_Index
Josh Richardson spent 32 percent of his possessions last season defending point guards. That's going to be an important addition to the Mavs, who at times struggled to match up with 1s, and obviously is important when Luka is your 1 on offense.

Another 38 percent of his possessions were spent against 2s. Defensive versatility on the perimeter was the most important area to address. Richardson and Finney-Smith are two plus perimeter defenders in the starting lineup, if nothing else changes.

dirt_dobber · 11-19-2020, 06:41 AM

Bobby Karalla@bobbykaralla
@The_BBall_Index
Josh Richardson spent 32 percent of his possessions last season defending point guards. That's going to be an important addition to the Mavs, who at times struggled to match up with 1s, and obviously is important when Luka is your 1 on offense.

Another 38 percent of his possessions were spent against 2s. Defensive versatility on the perimeter was the most important area to address. Richardson and Finney-Smith are two plus perimeter defenders in the starting lineup, if nothing else changes.

Murphy3 · 11-19-2020, 07:23 AM

The Mavs desperately need more shooting now. If you’re going to have someone that can break down a defense like Doncic, it makes all the sense in the world to have an elite shooter somewhere on the team.

Murphy3 · 11-19-2020, 07:24 AM

Double post.

Murphy3 · 11-19-2020, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

They are absolutely DESPERATE for shooters. We were desperate for perimeter defense. Makes sense for both teams, but yeah I feel like we got the better deal.

The Mavs kinda need shooters now.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-19-2020, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

The Mavs kinda need shooters now.

Do they? I don't think that was ever something they lacked last season, and supposedly Tyrell Terry is the best shooter in this draft.

SMC0007 · 11-19-2020, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

I think you underrate DFS....

I personally don't think Wood would start over him because DFS is the more versatile defender and he gives RC more flexibility in using him defensively from 1-4.

I think you need both him and Richardson on the floor together defensively because it allows you to hide Luka.

You can't do that with Wood who most likely only defends a 4 or 5 man.

DFS is also a proven starter on a playoff team where as Wood put up good numbers but let's keep in mind it was for a bad Pistons team and he only did it for like 20-30 games not even a half a season.

But I feel like RC really likes DFS and unless your getting an All star he's going to start at the 4.

Well let's not assume KP is on the floor all the time. 2 highly mobile 7 ft shot blockers is nothing to sneeze at.

I don't under value DFS as a whole. He is good. But he isn't giving you ANY of what KP does, and he isn't holding his own vs big PF or centers either.

Dallas41 · 11-19-2020, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Is DFS a actual 4? Seems like he can play the 3.

I think his natural position is 3.

But we all know RC is going to play small as much as possible and KP is no longer viewed as a 4 in Dallas.

The best part about this draft is that Dallas for once locked in on wings with size.

Now when they play small they at least can do it with legit 6'6 or 6'7 guys at the wing instead of having lineups that force THJ and Seth Curry both out their with Luka trying to defend guys like Leonard and George.

In the playoffs we got exposed for being undersized defensively and honestly this is a breath of fresh air to have a roster that now has more balance in the way it's constructed.

That was my biggest complaint for years.

SMC0007 · 11-19-2020, 09:30 AM

[QUOTE=Dallas41;1482060]I think his natural position is 3.

But we all know RC is going to play small as much as possible and KP is no longer viewed as a 4 in Dallas.

The best part about this draft is that Dallas for once locked in on wings with size.

Now when they play small they at least can do it with legit 6'6 or 6'7 guys at the wing instead of having lineups that force THJ and Seth Curry both out their with Luka trying to defend guys like Leonard and George.

In the playoffs we got exposed for being undersized defensively and honestly this is a breath of fresh air to have a roster that now has more balance in the way it's constructed.

That was my biggest complaint for years.[/QUOTE]

No doubt

Dallas41 · 11-19-2020, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

The Mavs kinda need shooters now.

They honestly only lost Seth.

Which is a huge deal no doubt. But I'd love to see them bring back Burke to alleviate some of that loss.

Maybe they make a play for Bogdanovic...

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 09:36 AM

Mavs contracts
1) KP
2) Richardson
3) Powell
4) Wright
5) Kleber
6) Doncic
7) DFS
8) Boban
9) Justin
10) Brunson
11) Green (guaranteed 1st rounder)
12)
13)
---inactive---
14)
15)
---two-way players-----
16) Nate Hinton
17) Freddie Gillespie

other
THJ - Player option to be decided today by 4pm
Terry - second-round pick. Contract is optional
Bey - second-round pick. Contract is optional
We will either have significant cap space if THJ opts out or we'll have the 9.8mill MLE

Murphy3 · 11-19-2020, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

They honestly only lost Seth.

Which is a huge deal no doubt. But I'd love to see them bring back Burke to alleviate some of that loss.

Maybe they make a play for Bogdanovic...

Yeah... but he was the only elite shooter they had. I know a couple of players flashed last year such as Burke and Hardaway, but it is not indicative of what they’ve done throughout their careers. So now you have an elite level playmaker that’s going to be passing it out to largely average 3pt shooters. I don’t know that this will get it done in today’s NBA. Obviously, they are not done... but they need a guy just like the one they traded away.

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 09:49 AM

If THJ opts-in and we sign both second-rounders, we have one more roster spot. There were rumors we'd re-sign JJB (as a player?). That would be the roster for next year.

However, Donnie had a quote last night:

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"We're not done yet," Nelson said, alluding to Friday's start of free agency. "We still want to get this team better on both sides of the ball."

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 09:49 AM

If THJ opts-in and we sign both second-rounders, we have one more roster spot. There were rumors we'd re-sign JJB (as a player?). That would be the roster for next year.

However, Donnie had a quote last night:

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"We're not done yet," Nelson said, alluding to Friday's start of free agency. "We still want to get this team better on both sides of the ball."

Murphy3 · 11-19-2020, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Do they? I don't think that was ever something they lacked last season, and supposedly Tyrell Terry is the best shooter in this draft.

Yeah, they could use an elite shooter. And they have to hope that Hardaway’s shooting is something that can be replicated....Clearly the Mavs aren’t done. We will see how it pans out.

MFFL · 11-19-2020, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yeah, they could use an elite shooter. And they have to hope that Hardaway’s shooting is something that can be replicated....Clearly the Mavs aren’t done. We will see how it pans out.

Saad Yousuf
@SaadYousuf126

Playing with Luka last year resulted in career-best 3-point shooting percentages for:
Seth Curry
Maxi Kleber
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Dorian Finney-Smith.

The Luka effect is very real. Mavs are betting on it.

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

Saad Yousuf
@SaadYousuf126

Playing with Luka last year resulted in career-best 3-point shooting percentages for:
Seth Curry
Maxi Kleber
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Dorian Finney-Smith.

The Luka effect is very real. Mavs are betting on it.

REp!

Dtownsfinest · 11-19-2020, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Do they? I don't think that was ever something they lacked last season, and supposedly Tyrell Terry is the best shooter in this draft.

Steph Curry is arguably the best shooter in the league. You lose him. If Terry can come right in and contribute like that then I’d say they don’t lack shooting but I don’t think he’s a solution for next season.

Dtownsfinest · 11-19-2020, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

They honestly only lost Seth.

Which is a huge deal no doubt. But I'd love to see them bring back Burke to alleviate some of that loss.

Maybe they make a play for Bogdanovic...

I think the fear I have is that in the bubble you basically had THjr who’s usually streaky but I don’t think you’d call him a pure shooter. Then those minutes of Steph will go to Richardson who’s even more streaky. If I can find a Gallinari type I think that can be the missing link to making the playoffs next year.