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SMC0007 · 01-10-2024, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

Not sure I saw that tbh curious why would you prefer a starting center instead of a starting PF? To me, the move is the latter with a backup C and/or defensive wing to boot. Not sure a wing will be available, so to the bigs it is. Hope Green and Williams figure it out and continue to rock DJJ across the board.

Its a joke really. But the pushback I got was it was crazy to suggest we didnt HAVE to have Capela when we needed a versatile PF more. I didn't want Capela because it would push Lively to bench and stifle somw of his growth.

Much like everyone else here, Ive had a few bad ideas over the years, but if I were GM, for a few weeks, we would have Bane and Drummond now and be contenders. Instead we have DP, Maxi and Green...and Grant.

EricaLubarsky · 01-10-2024, 01:39 PM

I mean, there were two periods of time, and some are getting folded together.

OFFSEASON (pre-draft) we were without a single decent center (even Powell was an FA). We all wanted Capela and insulted the FA for not getting him. Then it turned out that it would have cost us Lively, Green, OMax, and Holmes. That is a crazy package.

After the draft/This season, the discussion whipped back up. I still think Capela is the perfect backup to Lively, but it comes down to cost.

I guess my only question is if we can only get one guy, are we better with a:

A) a full-time Kuzma/Siakam/Grant starting at PF and praying Lively stays healthy/can be good that game
or
B) starting GWill/DJJ at PF and consistently having a good center on the floor with Lively/Capela (or other backup)

In a perfect world, we'd address both, but I am leaning toward A if we only get one (and I think based on our assets that is where we are). We just gotta pray for Lively to stay healthy either way. We could be dominant if he's good and we have more length/size in the frontcourt.

If he's injured, we're probably screwed either way, but maybe we could get a few min from Kleber/Powell/Holmes/Morris, or we can go small like the Jazz game.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-10-2024, 02:09 PM

I don't really care if it's a 4 or 5 as long as the player rebounds. I feel very strongly that if we fix that one thing that the sky is the limit.

Melonhead · 01-10-2024, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I mean, there were two periods of time, and some are getting folded together.

OFFSEASON (pre-draft) we were without a single decent center (even Powell was an FA). We all wanted Capela and insulted the FA for not getting him. Then it turned out that it would have cost us Lively, Green, OMax, and Holmes. That is a crazy package.

After the draft/This season, the discussion whipped back up. I still think Capela is the perfect backup to Lively, but it comes down to cost.

I guess my only question is if we can only get one guy, are we better with a:

A) a full-time Kuzma/Siakam/Grant starting at PF and praying Lively stays healthy/can be good that game
or
B) starting GWill/DJJ at PF and consistently having a good center on the floor with Lively/Capela (or other backup)

In a perfect world, we'd address both, but I am leaning toward A if we only get one (and I think based on our assets that is where we are). We just gotta pray for Lively to stay healthy either way. We could be dominant if he's good and we have more length/size in the frontcourt.

If he's injured, we're probably screwed either way, but maybe we could get a few min from Kleber/Powell/Holmes/Morris, or we can go small like the Jazz game.

I know we're scraping the barrel here for centers available right now, but Lively needs rest during these games even when he comes back.

If they get Siakam, sign a Taj Gibson to backup Lively. A small trade for Plumlee would be nice, but who knows how much it would take to get Siakam.

Or if Siakam can small ball 5 in Lively's place that works too.

saclare · 01-10-2024, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I don't really care if it's a 4 or 5 as long as the player rebounds. I feel very strongly that if we fix that one thing that the sky is the limit.

This. Rebounds are damn near a turnover in the sense. On defense, it limits the second+ chances for the opposing offense and ideally lead to more fast breaks and transition. On offense, duh...extra opportunities and to a much smaller degree, limiting the other team from initiating easy offense out of uncontested rebounds (not always, but it would have an effect)

Rebound = possession

saclare · 01-10-2024, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I know we're scraping the barrel here for centers available right now, but Lively needs rest during these games even when he comes back.

If they get Siakam, sign a Taj Gibson to backup Lively. A small trade for Plumlee would be nice, but who knows how much it would take to get Siakam.

Or if Siakam can small ball 5 in Lively's place that works too.

Even if he can play small ball, need a backup center.

SMC0007 · 01-10-2024, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

This. Rebounds are damn near a turnover in the sense. On defense, it limits the second+ chances for the opposing offense and ideally lead to more fast breaks and transition. On offense, duh...extra opportunities and to a much smaller degree, limiting the other team from initiating easy offense out of uncontested rebounds (not always, but it would have an effect)

Rebound = possession

It really is basically a turnover.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-10-2024, 05:39 PM

Biyombo was waived. Mavs should be all over that.

EricaLubarsky · 01-10-2024, 05:47 PM

Holmes posting all over that he is disrespected here.

A) he?s right. Kidd does this to everyone like Wood
Or
B) Kidd is right? he?s small for a center and doesn?t have the skill to be a forward
C) it doesn?t matter. Dude gave up money to come here in a hugely generous move and Mavs treated him like garbage which will be a bat signal to the rest of the league that we?re an embarrassment

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-10-2024, 06:19 PM

Luka out vs the Knicks.

SMC0007 · 01-10-2024, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Holmes posting all over that he is disrespected here.

A) he?s right. Kidd does this to everyone like Wood
Or
B) Kidd is right? he?s small for a center and doesn?t have the skill to be a forward
C) it doesn?t matter. Dude gave up money to come here in a hugely generous move and Mavs treated him like garbage which will be a bat signal to the rest of the league that we?re an embarrassment

Never know what goes on behind closed doors but we know Jkidd roster mgmt/ rotations are fvcked. From outside looking in, Kidd has a habit of fvcking over any chance of getting the most out of certain players.

EricaLubarsky · 01-10-2024, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Luka out vs the Knicks.

half full: Lively back. Kleber closer to return.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-10-2024, 07:36 PM

Half full is that Josh Green will score 15 points.

Melonhead · 01-10-2024, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

half full: Lively back. Kleber closer to return.

Lively is doubtful

SMC0007 · 01-10-2024, 08:51 PM

Kleber being back means fvck all

BPo001 · 01-10-2024, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

What about Biyombo?

Cheap contract. Expiring. Grizz are NOT going anywhere this season and he may leave this summer.

Probably can?t play PF because of spacing but can be a backup C who can defend and rebound.

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Grizzlies are waiving center Bismack Biyombo, sources tell ESPN. He made a good impact with franchise and could be brought back again. Memphis is expected to add another big on a newly available two-way contract. ? via Twitter wojespn

Dallas41 · 01-14-2024, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Biyombo was waived. Mavs should be all over that.

They have Holmes and he doesn't even play.

I doubt Biyombo plays ahead of Powell because Kidd won't trust him either.

I think it's time we all accept the facts that Powell is our backup/starting center.

The mavs every year will tell us they are looking to upgrade but that doesn't mean Powell won't stay in the rotations.

They will give other bigs a short leash in order to keep Powell involved

SMC0007 · 01-15-2024, 02:06 PM

We couldn't get in on Bagely?

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-15-2024, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

We could get in on Bagely?

?

SMC0007 · 01-15-2024, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

?

Typo

EricaLubarsky · 01-15-2024, 02:54 PM

Mavs shooting 18% and 0%

Pels shooting 22% and 0%

Compelling!

EricaLubarsky · 01-15-2024, 02:54 PM

Lively is such a gamechanger

4pts, 4reb in his time out there. Mavs are leading the rebound race.

EricaLubarsky · 01-16-2024, 03:26 PM

23 days left

EricaLubarsky · 01-16-2024, 04:48 PM

Siakam will not commit to returning to any team. Wants to test UFA.Per multiple sources.

Melonhead · 01-16-2024, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Siakam will not commit to returning to any team. Wants to test UFA.Per multiple sources.

He can only get supermax with Toronto(if he gets all nba). Imo thats what this is about, hoping he doesnt get traded, and resigning with Toronto

Then do a Bradley Beal and get traded the following year.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-16-2024, 05:31 PM

This is Indiana's offer. Nobody is going to offer a lot for a rental. He won't get traded.

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...83030166020574

Once you hear the offers, then those teams are likely out.

Just bid in the offseason.

Melonhead · 01-16-2024, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is Indiana's offer. Nobody is going to offer a lot for a rental. He won't get traded.

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...83030166020574

Once you hear the offers, then those teams are likely out.

Just bid in the offseason.

Its better to get him in the building before FA, gives you a better chance of resigning.

Lets be honest Mavs arent winning a free agent in july.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-16-2024, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Its better to get him in the building before FA, gives you a better chance of resigning.

Lets be honest Mavs arent winning a free agent in july.

But no team is willing to do it, so why would the Mavs? There has to be something more to this.

I'm all for getting him and risking it for a reasonable package, but Musai won't take any of these offers.

Melonhead · 01-16-2024, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

But no team is willing to do it, so why would the Mavs? There has to be something more to this.

I'm all for getting him and risking it for a reasonable package, but Musai won't take any of these offers.

Because they naturally have a better chance to resign him if he's been playing with Luka and Kyrie for 30 games + playoffs.

I wouldnt even bother with him in the summer if hes not already finishing the season with dallas. plenty of teams will be courting him.

Melonhead · 01-16-2024, 09:09 PM

Pacers giving up 3 first round picks for Siakam.

?In active talks? according to shams

twistaeffect2004 · 01-16-2024, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Pacers giving up 3 first round picks for Siakam.

?In active talks? according to shams

Yea mavs cant compete with that.

Really
Hope we make a play for Capela. Thats the guys I want.

SMC0007 · 01-16-2024, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004

Yea mavs cant compete with that.

Really
Hope we make a play for Capela. Thats the guys I want.

Capela off the bench...im sure hes dying to do that

BPo001 · 01-16-2024, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

This is Indiana's offer. Nobody is going to offer a lot for a rental. He won't get traded.

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...83030166020574

Once you hear the offers, then those teams are likely out.

Just bid in the offseason.

This escalated quickly. Now Indiana is offering Brown and 3 1sts? For a guy who won?t commit to an extension? There has to be a handshake deal that he will sign an extension.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-17-2024, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

This escalated quickly. Now Indiana is offering Brown and 3 1sts? For a guy who won?t commit to an extension? There has to be a handshake deal that he will sign an extension.

And yet...no deal. Be hilarious if Toronto turned it down for wanting more.

Remember, if you're hearing about the trade details before the trade happens, then it's like dying or going to be dead.

Trade deadline is still a bit away. Fish for more Toronto!

EricaLubarsky · 01-17-2024, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Capela off the bench...im sure hes dying to do that

He's said as much (well not dying to, but willing).

He's the perfect fit honestly as long as the price has dropped from the Green, Lively, OMax, Holmes that he would have cost this summer.

+3rd in the league in offensive rebounds
+4th overall in rebound percentage
+Got his fat mid-career paycheck and would love to get paid big bucks to be a backup that starts for a few games when Lively is injured
+Has been mentoring Okongwu and can mentor Lively

EricaLubarsky · 01-17-2024, 12:50 PM

Rebounding% leaders who may be available (and averaging 15mpg or more) compared to our current roster

1st - Drummond
4th - Capela
10th - Love
14th - Ayton
20th - Claxton
21st - Simmons
23rd - Poeltl (at 28 is he in the Raptor's timeline?)
34th - Lively
52nd - Carter Jr.
55th - Bagley III
65th - Powell
71st - Stewart
73rd - Kleber

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-17-2024, 12:55 PM

Drummonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddd. There is no player in the league who fits this team better. Follow closely by Capela, but I think he gets moved with Murray.

EricaLubarsky · 01-17-2024, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Drummonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddd. There is no player in the league who fits this team better. Follow closely by Capela, but I think he gets moved with Murray.

Assuming eFG% stayed the same for both teams, I read that we'd have five more wins if we were even 15th in rebounding vs. 29th.

That is the difference between 1st and 5th (where we are).

Of course, league-wide second/third chance opportunities tend to be MUCH more efficient so if our rebounding was better and we denied the other team those easy put-backs, we'd have a higher eFG and a better DEFRTG too.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-17-2024, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Assuming eFG% stayed the same for both teams, I read that we'd have five more wins if we were even 15th in rebounding vs. 29th.

That is the difference between 1st and 5th (where we are).

Of course, league-wide second/third chance opportunities tend to be MUCH more efficient so if our rebounding was better and we denied the other team those easy put-backs, we'd have a higher eFG and a better DEFRTG too.

And yet, all I see are rumors of getting a 4 that is a meh rebounder. We have one single glaring need. We've kinda fixed our defense, but the rebounding is still a huge issue.

I sometimes feel like Kidd would rather jump into Mount Doom than get a center.

EricaLubarsky · 01-17-2024, 02:13 PM

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The Dallas Mavericks have been linked to Pascal Siakam, Andrew Wiggins, P.J. Washington, and Dorian Finney-Smith, per
@JakeLFischer

SIZE AND REBOUND RATE WITH MAVS PF OPTIONS INCLUDED
Kleber - 6'10" - 11.2% rebounding%
Washington - 6'7" - 9.1% rebounding%
Siakam - 6'8" - 9.0% rebounding%
DFS - 6'7" - 7.9% rebounding %
Wiggins - 6'7" - 7.6% rebounding
Jones Jr - 6'6" - 7.0% rebounding
Williams - 6'6" - 6.6% rebounding

I mean, all of those players rebound better than DJJ/GWill and are better than all our forwards not named Kleber (who may be limited).

Washington - a little undersized for PF. Defensively underwhelming. Lot a lot of length. 31% shooter from three

DFS - Good defense, good rebounding. Strong 3pt shooting (40%). Great chemistry.

Siakam - Great defense. good size. Slight rebounding improvement on GWill and DJJ. Phenomenal passer if Kidd could actually use him as part of our plays. subpar shooter at 32%. Wants 47million dollars this offseason.

Wiggins - Really underwhelming rebounder. Under 30% 3pt shooting on open shots in GSW. Defense is attrocious. I have no idea why we'd even want him.