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sixeightmkw · 04-17-2006, 10:30 AM

How you can win 60, 61 games in your first full season as head coach, do it with ease, and do it with allthe injuries suffered along the way, and not get the COY award is beyong me.

AxdemxO · 04-17-2006, 10:32 AM

Hay i just thought i would put this out there. I was readin the paper the other day. A New York paper. They say that their vote goes to Dirk....idk if anyone there gets to vot or whtever but i m just sayin that the article says that Diek should b the MVP. Nash 2nd and Billups 3rd. They say Kobe and Lebron are out of runnin because they have not lead their teams to 50 wins which is expected in this era out of every team that has an MVP player on it. They give a bunch of reasons why Dirk should win...like not having another all star on his side...and so on....but i cant list them. SO THATS A POSITIVE I GUESS.

NXperience · 04-17-2006, 10:33 AM

Maybe because it's all the work of the MVP?

AxdemxO · 04-17-2006, 10:35 AM

Please tell me ur joking bout Phil Jackson being the best coach in the history of NBA. I hope u were being sarcastic.

sixeightmkw · 04-17-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

Please tell me ur joking bout Phil Jackson being the best coach in the history of NBA. I hope u were being sarcastic.

I wouldn't discredit that saying that he is the best. If not he is in the top 2. him and Red are the two top right now. I wouldn't vote him COY this year, but with all the championships he has, the different teams he has won with.

madape · 04-17-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sixeightmkw

How you can win 60, 61 games in your first full season as head coach, do it with ease, and do it with allthe injuries suffered along the way, and not get the COY award is beyong me.

just to be devil's advocate - Flip Saunders won more games in his first season as head coach of the Pistons.

NewMexiMav · 04-17-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by orangedays

First

Barbara Barker*
David Dupree
Mark Followill
Art Garcia
Frank Isola
Mike Monroe
Stan McNeal
David Moore
Bob Ortegal

I heard Followill explain on a recent telecast that the Mavs broadcast crew shares one ballot, so I don't think you can list both Mark and Bob.

NewMexiMav · 04-17-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by madape

just to be devil's advocate - Flip Saunders won more games in his first season as head coach of the Pistons.

After how many years in Minnesota? This is AJ's first full year as a head coach anywhere. And besides madape, I would think any coach that could win 60 games with Damp on the roster would be Coach of the Century in your eyes.

AxdemxO · 04-17-2006, 10:54 AM

IMO PJ is over rated.....look at the teams that he has had. This year is his only year with a bad team...but i guess u cant even say tht because you know they say as long as you have Kobe its all good. They barely made the palyoff.....so IMO he is overrated.

orangedays · 04-17-2006, 10:55 AM

Damn thread hijackers...peddle your wares elsewhere!

First

Steve Aschburn
Barbara Barker* (don't forget to vote on her website poll! - Link) - [Dirk is currently 2nd behind Kobe at 28.6% with 205 votes]
Sean Deveney
David Dupree
Mark Followill
Art Garcia
Bill Ingram
Frank Isola
Mike Monroe
Stan McNeal
David Moore
Van Wade

120 pts.

Second

Percy Allen*
Pete May

14 pts.

Third

Marty Burns
Jonathan Feigen
Israel Gutierrez

15 pts.

Fourth

Paul Coro*
Mark Montieth*
Jason Quick
Doug Smith
Sam Smith*

15 pts.

Fifth

N/A

* - Unconfirmed, slotting based on articles.

EDIT:

While you're at it, the Chicago Tribune has a poll up. Dirk's 5th behind Bryant, Nash, James, Billups at 9% with 224 votes. Show Dirk some love!

sixeightmkw · 04-17-2006, 11:02 AM

just one more note on the coach thing. Flip also had 4 all stars on his team. Dirk had one. Flip has already been to the WCF with Minnesota.

madape · 04-17-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NewMexiMav

After how many years in Minnesota? This is AJ's first full year as a head coach anywhere. And besides madape, I would think any coach that could win 60 games with Damp on the roster would be Coach of the Century in your eyes.

I'm just being devil's advocate. Avery should win, but it shouldn't be becasue he won 60 games in his first year as coach. As impressive as that is, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's the best coach in the NBA. Remember, this isn't rookie coach of the year, it's coach of the year. Using a similar argument, Chris Paul would be this year's MVP.

Avery will win because what he did was harder to do than what Flip did. Avery took over a team that was in pretty bad shape. There was little leadership, no dependable point guard, and no center. In one of his first big coaching moves, he demoted a worthless, overpaid, unmotivated bum to the bench.. a move that miraculously resulted in a couple of months of inspired play and maybe saved the season.

Without Avery, this team doesn't sniff 60 wins. Therefore, he's easily my Coach of the Year.

sixeightmkw · 04-17-2006, 11:22 AM

yes, that was why I was mentioning the injurie situation. Flip has had the same 5 starters all year for every game, except the one about a week back when Rasheed got suspended, not to mention the 4 all stars on the team.
Avery has had to use combinations of players unfathomable to the mind, to keep his team winning and benching players, and just tons of other stuff along the way, every time he has found a way to win.

Five-ofan · 04-17-2006, 11:34 AM

If it can only be avery for coty or dirk for mvp imo dirk is pretty clearly more deserving of mvp than avery for coty. There have been several games that we lost because of avery. Overall i think he has been great(and i think he should win the award) but i wouldnt be overly saddened by one of the other candidates winning. As for pj as the greatest coach ever, those lakers teams never won until he coached them nor did the bulls. Plus, the lakers had more talent last year yet they win more games with jackson as the only positive change from last year. And the overwhelming last argument 9 rings man. 9 rings. His rings are more impressive than Reds because he won them with 2 different teams and he won them in a deeper league. While red won his in a 8 team league with pretty much the same teams.(mainly russell was on all of them) I dont really see anyone else that has an argument. Pop? Maybe but i dont see it. Nellie? If he had rings i could make a very convincing argument but sadly he never got one. Daly? Not around long enough. Riley? If he had actually won a ring with the knicks maybe but if your gonna use talent against someone, kareem magic and worthy is a hell of alot of talent. Seriously do you have any other candidate?

vjz · 04-17-2006, 02:23 PM

The interesting question is: if Flip was coaching the Mavs and Avery the Pistons, would the team records be the same as it is now?

I would say Flip would've done better, just because he has a lot more experience than Avery... And Avery would easily win 65 with the Pistons.

Arne · 04-17-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vjz

The interesting question is: if Flip was coaching the Mavs and Avery the Pistons, would the team records be the same as it is now?

I would say Flip would've done better, just because he has a lot more experience than Avery... And Avery would easily win 65 with the Pistons.

I'd say Flip would have done a worse job than Avery and the other way around.

With Flip the Mavs wouldn't have become such a defensive minded team, with Avery, the Pistons wouldn't have become such a good offensive team.

orangedays · 04-17-2006, 03:18 PM

David Aldridge is giving Dirk fifth.

Dave D'Alessandro is giving him third.

Steve Aschburner of the Minneapolis-St. Paul Star Tribune gives Dirk a first. Hell yeah.

It seems as though Ira Winderman is giving Dirk his #2.

Sekou Smith seems to be giving Dirk his #4.

And the latest from Sefko

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April 17, 2006
Dirk wins, Dirk wins, Dirk wins

After many tireless hours of in-depth analysis, research and phone tag, I can bring you without any doubt the winner of the NBA's MVP trophy.

I polled four -- yes, count 'em, four -- people from all over the country who have MVP votes. You can't get this kind of blanket coverage just anywhere. You have to be connected...or at least sitting on your back porch with a juiced-up cell phone.

Anyway, Dirk Nowitzki will win the MVP. Two of the respondents placed him first. The other two split their votes between Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash. Dirk was no lower than third on any ballot.

So there you have it. Dirk wins the MVP.

Just remember there's a 94-percent margin of error on this survey.

dirno2000 · 04-17-2006, 03:39 PM

Orange you're doing all the heavy lifting...is Dude paying you for this

orangedays · 04-17-2006, 03:44 PM

First

Steve Aschburner
Barbara Barker* (don't forget to vote on her website poll! - Link) - [We've brought Dirk from 28.6% to 30.2%, keep it up guys.]
Sean Deveney
David Dupree
Mark Followill
Art Garcia
Bill Ingram
Frank Isola
Mike Monroe
Stan McNeal
David Moore
Van Wade

120 pts.

Second

Percy Allen*
Pete May
Ira Winderman*

21 pts.

Third

Marty Burns
Dave D'Alessandro
Jonathan Feigen
Israel Gutierrez

20 pts.

Fourth

Paul Coro*
Mark Montieth*
Jason Quick
Doug Smith
Sam Smith*
Sekou Smith*

18 pts.

Fifth

David Aldridge

1 pt.

* - Unconfirmed, slotting based on articles.

Don't forget the Chicago Tribune poll.

orangedays · 04-17-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

Orange you're doing all the heavy lifting...is Dude paying you for this

Dirk's paying me

mavsman · 04-17-2006, 03:55 PM

Mike Kahn has Dirk as his #5 because of all the wrong reasons.

sixeightmkw · 04-17-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsman

Mike Kahn has Dirk as his #5 because of all the wrong reasons.

here is a quote from Kahn. no supposing by next level he means the playoffs then why the hell would he write this?

"but he still has to prove he is the reason they can move to the next level as much as the other guys"

So please tell me what has Lebron done to prove in the playoffs that he is the MVP. Thesemedia people make absolutely no sense. they just contradict themselves over and over again and it is really ridiculous that these guys get to vote.

sixeightmkw · 04-17-2006, 04:08 PM

and also, I am sorry that Detroit and Dallas have good GM's, smart enough to put together an elite team that is deep and can win games. Let us now penalize Dirk and Chauncey for being on good teams. dumbasses these media people are.

sixeightmkw · 04-17-2006, 04:10 PM

one last thing. Every year, the Mavs roster makes drastic changes and first to go was Nash.
the team got better,
then went Finley.
Hell the team has now just tied a single season record for wins and about to break that.
So what has been the one constant thing on these dominate Mavs teams?
DIRK.

AxdemxO · 04-17-2006, 04:11 PM

Lebron has not even been in the playoffs yet...but anyway that Jim guy "Jim Rome is Burning" just said Dirk does not deserve the MVP because all he is ...is an impossible matchup...and he says that doesnt make him the MVP. But Dirk is so much more than that and guys like him are idiots.....:

sixeightmkw · 04-17-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AxdemxO

lEbron has not even been in the playoffs yet...but anyway that Jim guy "Jim Rome is Burning" just said Dirk does not deserve the MVP because all he is ...is an impossible matchup...and he says that doesnt make him the MVP. But Dirk is so much more than that and guys like him are idiots.....:

so now media, let us penalize Dirk for being th emost talented 7 footer in the league. Let us penalize Dirk for being one of the best shooters in theleague and for people not being able to stop him. Let us penalize Dirk for being able to take bigger defenders to rack, and shooting over smaller defenders. what a bunch of bull Fin sSh**t. I hate the media more and more everyday that I watch.

sixeightmkw · 04-17-2006, 04:21 PM

here is the record before Dirk
19-31
After Dirk
40-42
53-29
57-25
60-22
52-30
58-24
and now
60+ wins
That is what I call an MVP. someone who makes an immediate and long lasting impact on an organization while domiating the league.

bernardos70 · 04-17-2006, 04:37 PM

What about Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith, don't they get votes? Weren't they voting for Dirk?

dude1394 · 04-17-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sixeightmkw

here is the record before Dirk
19-31
After Dirk
40-42
53-29
57-25
60-22
52-30
58-24
and now
60+ wins
That is what I call an MVP. someone who makes an immediate and long lasting impact on an organization while domiating the league.

What a wonderful post, more numbers than words. They speak volumes don't they!

dude1394 · 04-17-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

Orange you're doing all the heavy lifting...is Dude paying you for this

He is earning the respect and admiration of his peers! What more pay can someone want?

Great stuff orange.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 04-17-2006, 06:07 PM

So does anyone want to take a guess on how man votes it will take for Dirk to win the award?

For the last 20 years the winner has ranged from 636 votes to 1219.

Thespiralgoeson · 04-17-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

What about Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith, don't they get votes? Weren't they voting for Dirk?

No, they don't get votes.

chumdawg · 04-17-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Locked_Up_Tonight

So does anyone want to take a guess on how man votes it will take for Dirk to win the award?

For the last 20 years the winner has ranged from 636 votes to 1219.

700

Murphy3 · 04-17-2006, 06:42 PM

...One of the writers from the FWST was on Galloway today..He said that he had polled a little over a third of the voters on the subject of MVP... Dirk is running a close second to Nash at this point...

sike · 04-17-2006, 07:12 PM

"Charles and Kenny from TNT too, but they don't get a vote"

when did they says this?

Thespiralgoeson · 04-17-2006, 07:12 PM

I'm sorry, but if Nash wins the award again, it will be tainted forever in my eyes.

Thespiralgoeson · 04-17-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

"Charles and Kenny from TNT too, but they don't get a vote"

when did they says this?

Thursday when we played Phoenix. They both picked Dirk for MVP. But unfortunately, they don't get to vote.

mavsman · 04-17-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I'm sorry, but if Nash wins the award again, it will be tainted forever in my eyes.

If Nash wins again, never mind those sounds you'll be hearing. That's only John Stockton digging a grave so he has a place to rotate in.

Thespiralgoeson · 04-17-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsman

If Nash wins again, never mind those sounds you'll be hearing. That's only John Stockton digging a grave so he has a place to rotate in.

Stockton among many, many others.

V2M · 04-17-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

...One of the writers from the FWST was on Galloway today..He said that he had polled a little over a third of the voters on the subject of MVP... Dirk is running a close second to Nash at this point...

It was Dwain Price. He said he polled about 48 voters out of 127, and Nash had 14 first place votes while Dirk had 13. He also said that Billups & Lebron would be 3rd & 4th while Kobe would be a distant 5th. He thinks the east coast media could get divided between Billups & Lebron while most of Nash's votes were in the West.

He also polled about 44 voters on the COTY and nearly two-thirds had AJ as their #1 choice. He believes AJ winning is almost a done deal!

In general, he said that every NBA City gets 3 votes making for a total of 90 votes, and an additional 37 votes were distributed at large. DFW has a total of 5 votes, according to him.

It was a fun session overall with GAC, Coop & Price.

Dirk-V-P!!!