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craggmac · 02-02-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

I dont blame Avery for that, because that guy does not even work in the NBA, so there is no reason give him special treatment, when he says things like that in the press that separates you from your star player. That was uncalled for and very damaging to a coach ego, and especially a guy like Avery

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That same coach gave Dirk that advice, when Dirk quit the team the summer after Avery took over and the Mavs did not know Dirk was coming back til about two weeks before training camp. Do you remember that?

Really? I can't recall.

BGMaverick9 · 02-02-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

I dont blame Avery for that, because that guy does not even work in the NBA, so there is no reason give him special treatment, when he says things like that in the press that separates you from your star player. That was uncalled for and very damaging to a coach ego, and especially a guy like Avery

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That same coach gave Dirk that advice, when Dirk quit the team the summer after Avery took over and the Mavs did not know Dirk was coming back til about two weeks before training camp. Do you remember that?

He can't take the high road? Is this a battle that he REALLY thought was necessary to fight? Why would you put your best player in a spot like that where you take a comfort zone away from him?

If you're a coach, who cares what a guy who doesn't even work in the NBA says about you?

Flacolaco · 02-02-2009, 12:43 AM

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when Dirk quit the team the summer after Avery took over and the Mavs did not know Dirk was coming back til about two weeks before training camp.

Any link referencing this incident would be greeted with many clicks.

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Any link referencing this incident would be greeted with many clicks.

Ask D.Lord about it, and see what he says? Or Marc Stein! Dirk was not going to play for Avery at all.

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

He can't take the high road? Is this a battle that he REALLY thought was necessary to fight? Why would you put your best player in a spot like that where you take a comfort zone away from him?

If you're a coach, who cares what a guy who doesn't even work in the NBA says about you?

The high road was to not even respond and just make sure this guy does not affect your relation any farther with your star player. Why have him around during the season? Dirk goes back to Germany about the same day the season ends. The guy was making a point that he controls Dirk and knows whats best for Dirk no matter what Avery did, and that is just not right. Let that same guy talk bad about Cuban like that, and lets see if the guy stays close to Dirk during the season.

craggmac · 02-02-2009, 12:48 AM

Must have been the Mavs #1 of all times greatest cover up! j/k

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by craggmac

Must have been the Mavs #1 of all times greatest cover up! j/k

It is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously.

BGMaverick9 · 02-02-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

It is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously.

And what makes you the insider on this situation?

Why ask DLord or Stein...we're asking you.

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

And what makes you the insider on this situation?

Why ask DLord or Stein...we're asking you.

Ask your infallible sources? Clearly, you feel I am not. All I can say is to ask them to see what they say?

Flacolaco · 02-02-2009, 01:03 AM

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Flaco's 57th law states:

If you can't link to it, it did not happen

The first 56 are really boring, btw.

BGMaverick9 · 02-02-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Ask your infallible sources? Clearly, you feel I am not. All I can say is to ask them to see what they say?

Or I can just ask you and you're going to give me the run around like you are now....

SMC0007 · 02-02-2009, 01:19 AM

If it doesn't fit, you must aquit!

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Or I can just ask you and you're going to give me the run around like you are now....

Yeah thats it. The run around. Good try!

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

If it doesn't fit, you must aquit!

Silly wannabe writer guy. Shut the hell up! Now go write on that.

grndmstr_c · 02-02-2009, 01:24 AM

It's interesting to me that the change in the play-calling ratio was accompanied by the handing over of a CD containing data on the efficiency of the various sets and plays. It's interesting because I tend to think Carlisle's a smart and intellectually curious guy, and if a smart and intellectually curious guy really wanted to get to know his players' strengths and weaknesses, wanted to get to know how his players complement one another, wanted to discover what the parameters for their greatest possible success were, and knew that he had an entire season ahead of him, I'd expect him to be fairly deliberate and systematic in his play calling for a time as a way of probing the possibilities and gathering informative data on the results.

And then, if he were also a good coach, as I tend to think Carlisle is, and if he had Jason Kidd as his starting point guard, as Carlisle does, I'd expect some of that to eventually give way. I'd expect him to turn more of the in-game management responsibility over to his hall-of-fame point guard, and I'd expect him to try to empower his hall-of-fame point guard by making available to him the data that had been gathered, and the conclusions drawn, during the early months of the season.

And in the long run, I'd expect the team to be better for the patience that had been shown.

BGMaverick9 · 02-02-2009, 01:31 AM

edit.

nothing to see here!

SMC0007 · 02-02-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Silly wannabe writer guy. Shut the hell up! Now go write on that.

Sorry. I wanted to get into photography instead of writting.

SMC0007 · 02-02-2009, 01:34 AM

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

It's interesting to me that the change in the play-calling ratio was accompanied by the handing over of a CD containing data on the efficiency of the various sets and plays. It's interesting because I tend to think Carlisle's a smart and intellectually curious guy, and if a smart and intellectually curious guy really wanted to get to know his players' strengths and weaknesses, wanted to get to know how his players complement one another, wanted to discover what the parameters for their greatest possible success were, and knew that he had an entire season ahead of him, I'd expect him to be fairly deliberate and systematic in his play calling for a time as a way of probing the possibilities and gathering informative data on the results.

And then, if he were also a good coach, as I tend to think Carlisle is, and if he had Jason Kidd as his starting point guard, as Carlisle does, I'd expect some of that to eventually give way. I'd expect him to turn more of the in-game management responsibility over to his hall-of-fame point guard, and I'd expect him to try to empower his hall-of-fame point guard by making available to him the data that had been gathered, and the conclusions drawn, during the early months of the season.

And in the long run, I'd expect the team to be better for the patience that had been shown.

Be serious, that little CD comes from Synergy Sports Technology. No need to give RC credit for that as well.

tcat075 · 02-02-2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

It's interesting to me that the change in the play-calling ratio was accompanied by the handing over of a CD containing data on the efficiency of the various sets and plays. It's interesting because I tend to think Carlisle's a smart and intellectually curious guy, and if a smart and intellectually curious guy really wanted to get to know his players' strengths and weaknesses, wanted to get to know how his players complement one another, wanted to discover what the parameters for their greatest possible success were, and knew that he had an entire season ahead of him, I'd expect him to be fairly deliberate and systematic in his play calling for a time as a way of probing the possibilities and gathering informative data on the results.

And then, if he were also a good coach, as I tend to think Carlisle is, and if he had Jason Kidd as his starting point guard, as Carlisle does, I'd expect some of that to eventually give way. I'd expect him to turn more of the in-game management responsibility over to his hall-of-fame point guard, and I'd expect him to try to empower his hall-of-fame point guard by making available to him the data that had been gathered, and the conclusions drawn, during the early months of the season.

And in the long run, I'd expect the team to be better for the patience that had been shown.

That's an interesting insight, but very true. Carlisle does seem like a guy who is great at analysing data. And if anyone can interprete that data into meaningful use for games, etc, then its Kidd.

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Sorry. I wanted to get into photography instead of writting.

So, I guess in your 1,200 messages in about 6 months you forgot you mentioned that you are a writer?

nowhereman · 02-02-2009, 01:44 AM

Did you guys know that if you take the first word of every sentence in Jason Terry's postgame interviews over the past 4 years and play them backwards, it tells us that Dirk is actually dead and was replaced by a cyborg?

Seriously, just ask Marc Stein.

LonghornDub · 02-02-2009, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Yeah thats it. The run around. Good try!

Actually, that's exactly what you're doing.

Tokey41 · 02-02-2009, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

The league IMO is much more difficult now than it was in 06-07. Great players are no longer dispersed amongst mediocre rosters as much as was the case back then. Dwight Howard Lebron James Chris Paul and Brandon Roy have emerged, Garnett/Pierce/Allen are no longer on bad teams but are the makeup of an elite team, Kobe Bryant finally has a roster, the Spurs are the same, the Suns/Pistons have regressed.... but overall, I think the talent level of the NBA has picked up in the past few years, our roster hasn't experienced DRASTIC change, the NBA seems to have caught up with us. One more thing, as great as Dirk is this year, he is no longer in his "absolute prime". 2005-2006 and 2006-2007 were Dirk's best years IMO.

I think the 05-06 and 06-07 Mavs team would not be as good as today's Cavs, today's Celtics, and today's Lakers.

I don't know man, Shaq was still dominant in 05'-06'... Dirk was, as you pointed out, still in his prime, Duncan was better, Nash had more in the engine, Lebron was still a beast, etc. I don't think the league is more talented now, I think a few teams built themselves up to our level (not surpassed) and we simply had more competition.

I don't think you change a 67 win team no matter how defeated they seemed to look around January... you fire the coach who is draining the confidence from your players in the first place. I know it wasn't so clear cut back then but in hindsight it really drives a Mavs fan crazy to think of what the team would have been like under a better coach in both the finals and GSW series.

fluid.forty.one · 02-02-2009, 02:44 AM

silkXpert can't help but brag about his "inside info". isn't he the guy who said he played pro ball but wouldn't say where or when?

fluid.forty.one · 02-02-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

Did you guys know that if you take the first word of every sentence in Jason Terry's postgame interviews over the past 4 years and play them backwards, it tells us that Dirk is actually dead and was replaced by a cyborg?

Seriously, just ask Marc Stein.

My sources told me the real reason for Howard's decrease in production was that he was romantically involved with Harris and Kidd just "wasn't his type".

Seriously! If you don't believe me, ask Cuban! Go ahead.. ask him!

ty · 02-02-2009, 03:01 AM

Wait, there are seriously still people here that miss Avery?

Even idiots understood how big of a lamer he was after Dirk finally gave his point of view.

Rick41 · 02-02-2009, 03:05 AM

This thread is a warzone.

Avery blows, nuff said.

dude1394 · 02-02-2009, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

I dont blame Avery for that, because that guy does not even work in the NBA, so there is no reason give him special treatment, when he says things like that in the press that separates you from your star player. That was uncalled for and very damaging to a coach ego, and especially a guy like Avery

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That same coach gave Dirk that advice, when Dirk quit the team the summer after Avery took over and the Mavs did not know Dirk was coming back til about two weeks before training camp. Do you remember that?

Dude..you don't blame avery for anything, not even playoff losses. Dirk "quit" the team after avery took over, what do you mean by that?

You want to alienate your players..you bow up and ban their long-time mentors, sit jkiddo down on national tv for the first game that mattered, toss westphal, del harris aside and be a complete idiot against GSWs. Avery should have been fired after that series as he was outcoached so bad it was ridiculous.

dude1394 · 02-02-2009, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Ask D.Lord about it, and see what he says? Or Marc Stein! Dirk was not going to play for Avery at all.

Good for dirk...since cubes/donnie weren't getting the job done, I'm glad Dirk and the rest of the team told cubes...he goes or trade us. He was fired 82+ games too late and in retrospect, he should have never been hired.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-02-2009, 05:25 AM

Who cares about whether Dirk was going to play for Avery anymore or not?

He sure as hell is playing for Carlisle.

Silk, this is a players league. If Dirk wants a coach gone, they are gone. Wanna know why? Because you can much easier replace a Johnson/Carlisle than you can a Dirk.

jthig32 · 02-02-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Ask D.Lord about it, and see what he says? Or Marc Stein! Dirk was not going to play for Avery at all.

So Dirk was just going to retire from basketball huh?

I still sometimes wonder if you're not someone doing a bit, and we've all been sucked in.

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Dude..you don't blame avery for anything, not even playoff losses. Dirk "quit" the team after avery took over, what do you mean by that?

You want to alienate your players..you bow up and ban their long-time mentors, sit jkiddo down on national tv for the first game that mattered, toss westphal, del harris aside and be a complete idiot against GSWs. Avery should have been fired after that series as he was outcoached so bad it was ridiculous.

Dude, I blame Avery for alot, but we have all these idiots who claim Carlisle is a better coach than Avery. And you know damn well that is a lie. There is no proof or backing to support Carlisle being a better coach. So what we have left is dumb idiots twisting this tread into a personal attack. I dont give a rats as* what happened at the end for Avery, but calling Carlisle a better coach is just plain silly and dumb.

Nobody is debating if Avery should have been fired, the problem is defacing Avery to being a sorry coach who did nothing for the Mavs. To me, it ranks right up there with idiots bashing Finley for all he has done for this franchise, and just want to harp on the last year or so Finley was with the Mavs.

Lastly, last time I checked, when Avery was so called outcoached he had all the fan favorite coaches on his coaching staff, and none of them were able to make adjustments to win the title. Dont want to hear that Avery would not listen to them, so they lost. That is a bold faced lie, the team and coaching staff lost as a organization. Just like they did against GS. Everyone wants to make Avery out to being a scrapegoat, but the facts remain that the players had a big hand in all of this mess that went on at the end, include Dirk in it as well.

Dirk may be GOD to most of the homers here, but I call it like it is. Dirk has been the best thing for this franchise as well as been the one who just cant get us over the top to win a title, due to all of his fatal flaws. It still stands, that I think we should have traded Dirk for KG or traded Dirk for Kobe. It is as simple as that, since so many feel Dirk walks on water.

Lastly, Carlisle could not hold a jock strap to Avery, and for every fault you find in Avery, the about the same flaw applies to Carlisle and more, due to his many failures in the regular season and playoffs, as well as being the coach of the team that was apart of the biggest brawl in the history of the NBA. Carlisle was ran out of two towns, and each time he lost the time and the GM moved forward. Avery ran himself out of town, due to being a control freak.

Underdog · 02-02-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Dude, I blame Avery for alot, but we have all these idiots who claim Carlisle is a better coach than Avery. And you know damn well that is a lie. There is no proof or backing to support Carlisle being a better coach. So what we have left is dumb idiots twisting this tread into a personal attack. I dont give a rats as* what happened at the end for Avery, but calling Carlisle a better coach is just plain silly and dumb.

Nobody is debating if Avery should have been fired, the problem is defacing Avery to being a sorry coach who did nothing for the Mavs. To me, it ranks right up there with idiots bashing Finley for all he has done for this franchise, and just want to harp on the last year or so Finley was with the Mavs.

Lastly, last time I checked, when Avery was so called outcoached he had all the fan favorite coaches on his coaching staff, and none of them were able to make adjustments to win the title. Dont want to hear that Avery would not listen to them, so they lost. That is a bold faced lie, the team and coaching staff lost as a organization. Just like they did against GS. Everyone wants to make Avery out to being a scrapegoat, but the facts remain that the players had a big hand in all of this mess that went on at the end, include Dirk in it as well.

Dirk may be GOD to most of the homers here, but I call it like it is. Dirk has been the best thing for this franchise as well as been the one who just cant get us over the top to win a title, due to all of his fatal flaws. It still stands, that I think we should have traded Dirk for KG or traded Dirk for Kobe. It is as simple as that, since so many feel Dirk walks on water.

Lastly, Carlisle could not hold a jock strap to Avery, and for every fault you find in Avery, the about the same flaw applies to Carlisle and more, due to his many failures in the regular season and playoffs, as well as being the coach of the team that was apart of the biggest brawl in the history of the NBA. Carlisle was ran out of two towns, and each time he lost the time and the GM moved forward. Avery ran himself out of town, due to being a control freak.

All because Silk says so...

(damn the facts!)

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Who cares about whether Dirk was going to play for Avery anymore or not?

He sure as hell is playing for Carlisle.

Silk, this is a players league. If Dirk wants a coach gone, they are gone. Wanna know why? Because you can much easier replace a Johnson/Carlisle than you can a Dirk.

So, what is your point in this conversation? All you just did was state something that most people about about any professional sports. It has nothing to do with what I was saying. There was no point to be made in your post about this conversation.

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

silkXpert can't help but brag about his "inside info". isn't he the guy who said he played pro ball but wouldn't say where or when?

Fluid you that same dude with over 10K posts about nothing in little over 2 years. With your 10k posts in that short time, tells us everything we need to know about you. Go jump off a bridge and kill yourself right now.

Underdog · 02-02-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Fluid you that same dude with over 10K posts about nothing in little over 2 years. With your 10k posts in that short time, tells us everything we need to know about you. Go jump off a bridge and kill yourself right now.

Stop being an a$$hole - you're just talking to "hear your own voice" at this point...

Nobody agrees with your skewed version of reality, so get over it...

(also - why are you a Mavs fan anymore? You don't seem to like anything about this team...)

Sportstudi · 02-02-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Dude..you don't blame avery for anything, not even playoff losses. Dirk "quit" the team after avery took over, what do you mean by that?

You want to alienate your players..you bow up and ban their long-time mentors, sit jkiddo down on national tv for the first game that mattered, toss westphal, del harris aside and be a complete idiot against GSWs. Avery should have been fired after that series as he was outcoached so bad it was ridiculous.

+rep

rmacomic · 02-02-2009, 09:01 AM

my friend jumped off a bridge and killed himself, he got hurt

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Stop being an a$$hole - you're just talking to "hear your own voice" at this point...

Nobody agrees with your skewed version of reality, so get over it...

(also - why are you a Mavs fan anymore? You don't seem to like anything about this team...)

Coming from the biggest as*hole of them all!!!!! Go figure. I dont give a shi* what you or others think. I am going to speak my mind, no matter if this board is full of tech guys who think they know everything about anything. Yes, there are plenty of people here who agree, and it is the same reason I have as many green boxes as yourself. All you little message board bullies dont scare me at all. Gang up all you want, but in the end I am going to post what I want and feel. You and the rest of your Computer Bandits can call me an idiot, dumb, creditXpert, silkexpert, silkexpertguy or whatever and it just will roll off me like my signature.

The fact remains that once a few of you cant counter a post, then name calling is where you will go next. It is a endless cycle and the main reason many posters dont post anymore or just post ever blue moon. This board is overrun by the computer bully group, that gets beat up every weekend after getting drunk and talking too much smack about sports. Shi* I bet that same bunch posts under several different id's as well talking to themselves as they try to bully the board. Lastly, I am not going to look over this post for errors as well, so add that to the list of name-calling.