Kidd now calling the shots for Mavericks on offense - Page 8 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Isn't it hypocritical to even a slight extent to say there we go with the name calling when I've seen you multiple time call people names and tell people to "shut the hell up?"

Again like I asked...wouldn't you want to just take the high road and be done with it?

Every time you see me with the name calling is because of an attack on me. I take the high road alot of times here, but it wont happy every time, and eventually it will turn into what we see today. The problem is that a select group will attack every post I make, until I go off on them. I also precede to report all these message board violations and nothing happens. I report posts after posts that violates the message board rules, but the moderator on duty just lets it go. Since they decide not to do nothing, then I do the same exact thing, since they are allowing the violations. It is simply double standards for the most part.

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

What is it you like to say? "Learn to read"?

And as I've just laid out, how was Carlisle calling 80% of the plays if there were no plays? Your buddy Jet says there were no plays; must be true.

I like how you decided to skip over the part that said fewer plays will be called.

Underdog · 02-02-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Every time you see me with the name calling is because of an attack on me.

iella · 02-02-2009, 07:25 PM

This entire thread makes me think of this:

SMC0007 · 02-02-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Every time you see me with the name calling is because of an attack on me. I take the high road alot of times here, but it wont happy every time, and eventually it will turn into what we see today. The problem is that a select group will attack every post I make, until I go off on them. I also precede to report all these message board violations and nothing happens. I report posts after posts that violates the message board rules, but the moderator on duty just lets it go. Since they decide not to do nothing, then I do the same exact thing, since they are allowing the violations. It is simply double standards for the most part.

It's comical that YOU call out MB violations.

Robillion · 02-02-2009, 08:35 PM

Can't we all just get along?... or better yet, Can't we all just put Silk on our ignore list?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-02-2009, 08:43 PM

If the Mavs hold on to win this game in Orlando I may just become a full believer that Kidd calling his own plays really made this team a contender.

Silk Smoov · 02-02-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

If the Mavs hold on to win this game in Orlando I may just become a full believer that Kidd calling his own plays really made this team a contender.

Looks like you may become a believer. Also it seems the best defense is an efficient offense. I wonder what this team would have looked like if we did this from the start of the season and stuck with it? Kidd leading the offense looked very efficient tonight against the 3rd best defense in the NBA.

kg_veteran · 02-02-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I am going to be really interested to track this development and its impact on the team's offensive efficiency (and overall record).

So far, so good!

dude1394 · 02-02-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Real simple. I was backing up my point about Carlisle known to call all the plays for his team. Which is what this thread is about.

I then went on to show how he says one thing to people, then changes things up later. I provided the link to show how this has happened in the past. If I did not post the link, then someone like yourself would have accused me of making up things.

Lastly, I remember someone pointing out that Avery threw his team under the bus along with attacking the leadership of the team. So, I went about posting a link where Carlisle did the same exact thing. Case in point, that I dont feel we got a coach that is Mr.Change. I think it was long overdue to hand the offense over to Kidd. Which again is what this thread is about.

Avery not only threw his team under the bus when he left...he threw his star players under the bus by NAME during Nellie's biyatch-slapping of him during the GSW series. When that happened (plus the fact that he was too silly to get someone in the post AND walked the ball up against them AND went small against them ) turned my opinion of him.

I wasn't crazy about his inability to control himself against Miami...he seemed to redeem himself in the 67 win season (but as we saw, he's a regular season coach) but then the GSW series was it, it was obvious he was overmatched. After that series the team knew he was incompetent and they played like it.

LonghornDub · 02-02-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Every time you see me with the name calling is because of an attack on me. I take the high road alot of times here, but it wont happy every time, and eventually it will turn into what we see today. The problem is that a select group will attack every post I make, until I go off on them. I also precede to report all these message board violations and nothing happens. I report posts after posts that violates the message board rules, but the moderator on duty just lets it go. Since they decide not to do nothing, then I do the same exact thing, since they are allowing the violations. It is simply double standards for the most part.

People that genuinely take the high road don't constantly point out that they've taken the high road. You don't have anyone here fooled, Silk.

Silk Smoov · 02-03-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Avery not only threw his team under the bus when he left...he threw his star players under the bus by NAME during Nellie's biyatch-slapping of him during the GSW series. When that happened (plus the fact that he was too silly to get someone in the post AND walked the ball up against them AND went small against them ) turned my opinion of him.

I wasn't crazy about his inability to control himself against Miami...he seemed to redeem himself in the 67 win season (but as we saw, he's a regular season coach) but then the GSW series was it, it was obvious he was overmatched. After that series the team knew he was incompetent and they played like it.

For some reason, I was under the impression the players played the game? My bad, I did not know about the biyatch-slapping by the coaches to decide the games. I also forgot that Avery was the owner and could decide who he wanted to trade for. Lastly, I forgot that Avery was so anti-SA system that the last thing Avery wanted was a low post scoring player to mess up his system of run and gun.

dude1394 · 02-03-2009, 09:19 AM

Sure the players play the game but the coache's coach the game and in that respect Avery was slapped-around like a bad puppy.

That was one of the big problems with avery, he wasn't creative enough to see that there are more ways to get the ball into the post than just trying to do it like timmah. He could have run dirk across the lane to get position, he could have perish the thought had him re-post after a pick and roll.

Again the worst decision made by him was to slow it down...and he never changed that philosphy.

Silk Smoov · 02-03-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Sure the players play the game but the coache's coach the game and in that respect Avery was slapped-around like a bad puppy.

That was one of the big problems with avery, he wasn't creative enough to see that there are more ways to get the ball into the post than just trying to do it like timmah. He could have run dirk across the lane to get position, he could have perish the thought had him re-post after a pick and roll.

Again the worst decision made by him was to slow it down...and he never changed that philosphy.

I agree he could have coached a better series and whatnots, but still I say Dirk played like a lil biyatch that whole series. He was bullied on both ends of the floor. They treated him like a step child. And I do feel that if your one superstar is playing like a biyatch, then not even Phil Jackson himself could have coached us to a win. And please if you dont think players know how to adjust during the game as well, you are giving the players too few credit for being a professional. If you go back and watch any classic games with MJ, Bird, and Magic, you will see in the huddle, they are the ones talking and communicating about what they see on the court and what to do to counter it. It is up to the team captains to do their part on the floor because in the end, it is what the players do on the court that will decide a series. I do feel a coach for the most part can have a big hand in a game, but a series comes down to the heart of the player first and foremost. IMO.

Silk Smoov · 02-03-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Sure the players play the game but the coache's coach the game and in that respect Avery was slapped-around like a bad puppy.

That was one of the big problems with avery, he wasn't creative enough to see that there are more ways to get the ball into the post than just trying to do it like timmah. He could have run dirk across the lane to get position, he could have perish the thought had him re-post after a pick and roll.

Again the worst decision made by him was to slow it down...and he never changed that philosphy.

Take a look at your PM, I have something to share with you about Winshares stats.

darkwitzki · 02-03-2009, 10:12 AM

Errr.. So Kidd calling the shots is a good thing???

SMC0007 · 02-03-2009, 10:40 AM

I think it's a good thing, but i'm taking the high road. Also, it doesn't take a brain seargent to know why this team struggles. I rest my case.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 02-03-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Errr.. So Kidd calling the shots is a good thing???

3-0 since it started, including wins over Heat, Warriors (our two most heartbreaking playoff loses occured against these two teams) and the Magic IN Orlando. Yes, Kidd calling the shots appears to be a great thing.

darkwitzki · 02-03-2009, 11:21 AM

Hmm i've been thinking Kidd would be a great coach someday, is there such a scenario here in the NBA, where a player is the team'a coach as well? sort of a playing coach. We have that scenario once here in the Philippines Basketball Association..

fluid.forty.one · 02-03-2009, 01:42 PM

I got this from a post on db.com

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http://basketballvalue.co...0&sortorder=DESC&team=DAL

"Adjusted plus/minus has Kidd leading the team comfortably. and 11th in the league overall (among those above the league median in minutes)."

I know that +/- isn't a foolproof stat but it's pretty legit when taken over the course of a season.

rabbitproof · 02-03-2009, 01:46 PM

these are some hilariously pathetic tags.

catsil · 02-03-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Hmm i've been thinking Kidd would be a great coach someday, is there such a scenario here in the NBA, where a player is the team'a coach as well? sort of a playing coach. We have that scenario once here in the Philippines Basketball Association..

Bill Russell and Lenny Wilkens were once player-coach.

Flacolaco · 02-03-2009, 02:10 PM

Who wrote the "break the bank" tag?

That was particularly genius.

monty55555 · 02-03-2009, 10:26 PM

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By constantly tinkering, Dallas Mavericks' Carlisle may have found something that works

Given the latest turn in the Mavs' fortunes, let's consider the possible explanations:

A) The Mavs averaged 111 points over their three-game winning streak because Rick Carlisle gave Jason Kidd the keys to the offense.

B) An embarrassing loss to the Celtics shamed the Mavs into at least trying to play consistent defense.

C) Darrell Armstrong, 3-0 since his return as an assistant, has Riley-esque potential.

D) This streak, too, shall pass.

E) All of the above.

If you answered, E, this season has taught you not to get carried away.

Still, if this latest success is no guarantee of what's to come, starting tonight against Portland in American Airlines Center, at least we appear to be learning something about the Mavs and their coach.

Since taking over for Avery Johnson, a man who liked to impose his will, Carlisle has earned a different reputation. Practices are easier, which hasn't pleased Dirk Nowitzki, a notorious gym rat. But this isn't a young team, either. The last thing Kidd needs is to be pounding his soon-to-be-35-year-old dogs up and down a practice floor.

Carlisle also proved to be a tinkerer. Until the last couple of weeks, he'd trotted out more lineups than you'd see in a week's worth of Law & Order episodes.

A pro sports culture primer: Athletes don't like to be surprised. They want to know if they're going to play and how much, and they want their boss to be straight up about it. Otherwise, they pout.

I should add that players pout no matter what you do, but the condition is aggravated by long skids into nowhere.

And when Boston blew out the Mavs in the Garden last week, the future looked really, really bleak.

Carlisle says he knew his team would bounce back against Golden State because that's what it's done after bad losses all season.

And, just in case, he asked Mark Cuban on the flight home from Boston if he could hire Armstrong.

"I wouldn't say the Boston loss was the reason it happened," said Carlisle, who coached Armstrong in Indiana, "but it contributed to everyone being willing to do it."

Armstrong brings the same qualities as a coach that he showed as a player: upbeat, energetic, a teacher and leader.

Carlisle wouldn't necessarily concede that Armstrong might reach a corner of the locker room that he can't. But he said he first solicited the opinions of Nowitzki, Kidd, Jason Terry and Josh Howard, who gave four enthusiastic thumbs up.

Carlisle wasn't finished retooling just yet, either. He'd already settled into a basic rotation with the improvement of a healthy Antoine Wright. But it didn't fix much. Despite all the complaints about defense, the offense was no prize, either. Under Johnson, Kidd had basically been relegated to a spot-up shooter, a role that carried over under Carlisle.

Then from the Florida road trip came reports that Carlisle was letting Kidd run the offense. Instead of the coach calling, say, 75 percent of the plays, the numbers would now be reversed in the point guard's favor.

"It's been happening gradually to a certain degree," Carlisle said. "I've gained a real comfort level with his feel of the pulse of the team. It also allows things to happen out of the flow of the game, without losing any momentum.

"Hey, you've got a Hall of Fame point guard, use him to the best of his abilities."

Well, yeah.

If the point guard is happy on offense, it stands to reason that he'd be more energetic on defense, too. From the looks of it, it's catching.

Question: Can success last? Hard to say. The Mavs remain a flawed bunch, but so are many teams, including the Lakers with Andrew Bynum out three months.

Give the Mavs a month to see if the changes take. But whatever else happens, give Carlisle credit. When he's willing to make changes on the fly, and none serve his ego, it's an indication that at least you might have the right coach.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...n.325e086.html