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dirno2000 · 09-11-2005, 01:10 AM

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Please, do not compare VY to 'Brett Farve'.

Vince is just as good of a college as Bret was once a pro quarterback. Not saying that it will translate to the next level but at they're respective levels they're comparable.

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And no one is taking away his ability to improvise...no one mentioned that at all. However, there is a difference between improvising and stupidity. The first INT was a stupid mistake.

We're not going to agree on this one. You have a point because if any other QB did that I'd call it a stupid mistake but Vince can make that play, I've seen him do it and I'll live with it. In this case he just over threw Charles.

Although, if you didn't criticize him when he did it against Arkansas and hit Benson for a touchdown it doesn't seem right to criticize him now.

Murphy3 · 09-11-2005, 09:25 AM

They are completely different types of QB's..... You shouldn't make that comparison. Favre was a guy that could run but was known for his ability to throw. It's vice versa for VY. You don't have a leg to stand on.

alby · 09-11-2005, 11:18 AM

vince young is probably the best player in the country but that sidearm thing he has going on is uglier than shawn marion's jumpshot..

go horns

road to the natl championship still going strong haters

dirno2000 · 09-11-2005, 11:20 AM

You're missing the comparison...of course they're two different quarterbacks in style.

The thing is, they both have the ability to make plays that nobody else in the game can make and they know it. That overwhelming confidence sometimes leads them to attempt to make a play when nothing is there. It's just something that you have to put up with becasue in the end they're going to make more good plays than bad.

Hell, Farve threw an int last season when he wasn't even facing the line of scrimmage, why is that comparison so hard to see?

alby · 09-11-2005, 11:23 AM

and it also makes the coaches overuse the same schemes in playcalling...........

Five-ofan · 09-11-2005, 11:45 AM

yeah, i know what you mean, yes vince is great however you also have a whole lot of other talent. Charles took the starting job last night btw. about Vince, generally in that scenario you want your qb to just go down and protect the ball. Live to play another day. However, if vince always just went down when most qbs should then what is special about him would go away. I agree with dirno, if you didnt gripe when he scored a td with it you cant gripe now(or actually you can but it still sounded good) Vince's strength vs other running qbs is his strength. Most running qbs are elusive. He is every bit as elusive as anyone but he is a hoss power wise too. Ut will have a couple of scares and i think that we will play them pretty tough(within 14) but i see them going undefeated. BTW tech's loss to ut will be their only loss this year going into the bowls

Murphy3 · 09-11-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by: Five-ofan
yeah, i know what you mean, yes vince is great however you also have a whole lot of other talent. Charles took the starting job last night btw. about Vince, generally in that scenario you want your qb to just go down and protect the ball. Live to play another day. However, if vince always just went down when most qbs should then what is special about him would go away. I agree with dirno, if you didnt gripe when he scored a td with it you cant gripe now(or actually you can but it still sounded good) Vince's strength vs other running qbs is his strength. Most running qbs are elusive. He is every bit as elusive as anyone but he is a hoss power wise too. Ut will have a couple of scares and i think that we will play them pretty tough(within 14) but i see them going undefeated. BTW tech's loss to ut will be their only loss this year going into the bowls

Give me a f'ing break. Get your collective head out of your asses. The play in question is a no brainer. The ball shouldn't have been thrown by any QB...Not by Favre...Not by Vick...Not by Young.

No one is attempting to reel VY in.. No one wants him to be less aggressive or anything like that. I completely understand that sometimes things will happen because he's attempting to stretch a play into a few extra yards...sometimes he might make a brilliant move and then get the ball stripped from behind. You have to take the good with the bad in those types of situations. However, his first interception does NOT fall into that category.

I realize that you have to take the good with the bad with this kid..because the good does far outweigh the bad...I also realize that some of the bad will always go along with the good with a QB such as this...sometimes the athleticism will result in putting yourself in a bad situation. But, it you cannot give him or anyone else a free pass on the first pick that he threw. That was just a stupid play by VY....end of story.

Drbio · 09-11-2005, 01:48 PM

Congrats to the t-sippers. Way to represent the Big 12. [img]i/expressions/thumbsup.gif[/img]

alby · 09-11-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by: Five-ofan
yeah, i know what you mean, yes vince is great however you also have a whole lot of other talent. Charles took the starting job last night btw. about Vince, generally in that scenario you want your qb to just go down and protect the ball. Live to play another day. However, if vince always just went down when most qbs should then what is special about him would go away. I agree with dirno, if you didnt gripe when he scored a td with it you cant gripe now(or actually you can but it still sounded good) Vince's strength vs other running qbs is his strength. Most running qbs are elusive. He is every bit as elusive as anyone but he is a hoss power wise too. Ut will have a couple of scares and i think that we will play them pretty tough(within 14) but i see them going undefeated. BTW tech's loss to ut will be their only loss this year going into the bowls

Give me a f'ing break. Get your collective head out of your asses. The play in question is a no brainer. The ball shouldn't have been thrown by any QB...Not by Favre...Not by Vick...Not by Young.

No one is attempting to reel VY in.. No one wants him to be less aggressive or anything like that. I completely understand that sometimes things will happen because he's attempting to stretch a play into a few extra yards...sometimes he might make a brilliant move and then get the ball stripped from behind. You have to take the good with the bad in those types of situations. However, his first interception does NOT fall into that category.

I realize that you have to take the good with the bad with this kid..because the good does far outweigh the bad...I also realize that some of the bad will always go along with the good with a QB such as this...sometimes the athleticism will result in putting yourself in a bad situation. But, it you cannot give him or anyone else a free pass on the first pick that he threw. That was just a stupid play by VY....end of story.

it was definitely a stupid play and decision on youngs part, theres no question about it.. i dont kno how anyone can defend that play

dirno2000 · 09-11-2005, 02:49 PM

You guys are ignoring the fact that he had a man open on the play and just overthrew him. I'm going to call that a physical error as opposed to a mental one because he's shown that he can make that throw with defenders hanging off of him...just didn't work out that time.

alby · 09-11-2005, 03:07 PM

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You guys are ignoring the fact that he had a man open on the play and just overthrew him. I'm going to call that a physical error as opposed to a mental one because he's shown that he can make that throw with defenders hanging off of him...just didn't work out that time.

he threw it right to the osu linebacker. i mean the guy didnt even have to take a step...

bgantz · 09-11-2005, 05:23 PM

it was a forced mistake, as talented as young is, you can't give him the benefit of the doubt on any play like that, no matter if it's worked ok for him in the past. 9 times out of 10, forcing a pass when you should take the sack will result in a bad play.

bgantz · 09-11-2005, 05:25 PM

double post

alby · 09-17-2005, 07:27 PM

ou loses again [img]i/expressions/anim_laugh.gif[/img]

sike · 09-18-2005, 08:26 AM

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ou loses again [img]i/expressions/anim_laugh.gif[/img]

wow...the mighty have so seriously fallen

alby · 10-03-2005, 12:09 AM

Texas - Oklahomo Week.

Five-ofan · 10-03-2005, 12:54 AM

I dont think there is any way that texas can underestimate OU because it is OU, but if Im Mack I make dang sure they know that OU needs to be paid back for the recent destructions of texas. If its close you play to win and dont worry about what the score is. If you get up by more than 14 early, you run it up as high as you can. If you can get 70 you do. Ou has earned it running the score up on Texas. However, if you are coaching or a player you cant think about that. You have to prepare as if you are playing a team the caliber of OU the last few years. This is the game that defines Vince's Heisman hopes. This game and Tech are really the only loseable games they have left if they show up at all. If vince puts up over 350 yards of total O, he will finish in the top 3 in the heisman voting. We cant stop Vince. Our defense is to unathletic and I believe that is one of the games that our best defensive player has to spend in Jail. The player I speak of is Vincent Meeks.

ocelot_ark · 10-03-2005, 03:33 AM

I'm actually thinking this game will be close...UT wins, but it won't be a blowout.

alby · 10-04-2005, 01:00 PM

it is all going to depend on the health of adrian peterson..

alby · 10-08-2005, 03:41 PM

there goes the oklahoma monkies off our backs =)

capitalcity · 10-08-2005, 09:34 PM

Mark your calendars...

TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT: Raiders @ Horns for the Big XII south title.

capitalcity · 10-08-2005, 10:35 PM

Don't make those Pasadena hotel reservations just yet horn fans - Ohio State just lost to Penn State.

Texas needs to obliterate the competition from here out or they're gonna get screwed in the polls. I know it's bullshit, but a 12-0 Texas team will need HELP to get into the National Championship game.

alby · 10-09-2005, 01:18 AM

I think for drama reasons the media will put doubt into people stating that a 12-0 Longhorn team won't be getting into the Rose Bowl when lets say USC and VT are also undefeated as well, but for some reason, I really can't believe that Texas will be left out if they finish 12-0 this season. I really don't.

capitalcity · 10-09-2005, 12:22 PM

Sounds like you need to have a talk with Endtro.

Five-ofan · 10-09-2005, 02:54 PM

Texas will definitely be in the NC if they win out. I say again the VT schedule isnt much more difficult and they still have to jump UT. Only way VT has a chance is if FSU gets to the title game unbeaten and then VT beats them because that would be seen as a playoff system of sorts. The thing is the UT game is the matchup everyone wants to see. Did anyone see the Tech game? Thank God the Nebraska player didnt go down after the pick. BTW Dan fouts is a moron. "I dont know that isnt much interference" ???? what? He shoulder chucked the guy when the ball was in the air plus he was way more than 5 yards down field. I am referring to the pick that was nullyfied do to interference. Nebraska is pretty solid. As much as I want to pick us to beat UT it aint happening. Our best defensive player will be in jail that week. (he can only go to home games because he is on some sort of a release program but he cant leave the jurisdiction so on away game weeks he goes to jail for the weekend.) We just dont have the defensive athletes to play with vince. On the other hand we always have a punchers chance.

Dooby · 10-10-2005, 08:27 AM

Who cares? Anybody see the last play of the SMU game?

capitalcity · 10-10-2005, 11:49 AM

Unbeaten teams could cause perfect BCS storm
Insider
By Brad Edwards
Special to espn.com

With only nine teams still unbeaten at the unofficial halfway point of college football's regular season, statistical logic says the odds to end with more than two perfect teams are extremely slim.

In addition to the fact that it's difficult to win five or six more games in a row against opposition that mostly ranks among the upper half of Division I-A, there is also the "cannibalization process" by which these undefeated teams eliminate each other. Penn State, for example, is the only unbeaten that can finish its pre-bowl schedule without the possibility of meeting another team that currently has a perfect record.

It sounds like a natural selection case study. The pretenders will be weeded out, and the contenders will be left to play in the BCS title game.

Can somebody help with the rest of this article...

AnMan21 · 10-10-2005, 02:34 PM

i read this article....it'd be pretty nuts if all these teams were undefeated going into the last week of the season. however i just don't see it happening. too many teams have tough roads to get there...

capitalcity · 10-11-2005, 01:09 AM

This forum error stuff is really pissing me off.

#1MavsFan · 10-16-2005, 10:37 AM

Also no int's for VY and 5TD's while setting a school record for the highest completion percentage (breaking his own record from last years comeback win vs. OSU).

Murphy3 · 10-16-2005, 11:28 AM

For one of the few times in his career, VY looked like a guy that could play QB at the next level. He was the best player in college football yesterday. If Mack Brown would have chosen to keep the pedal to the metal, VY could have had 500+ yards with 4 passing TD's to go along with 4-5 rushing TD's.

Drbio · 10-16-2005, 02:23 PM

That was a Heisman day period. Vicne Young served national notice yesterday. Wow. I'm not looking forward to them playing us. Ugh.

alby · 10-17-2005, 10:37 AM

first bcs rankings come out today, i havent checked if they are out yet.. but tech is projected to be 6th, WOW!

Five-ofan · 10-17-2005, 11:15 AM

Apparently Meeks does get to play in this game. He is supposedly the fastest player in Tech history. Supposedly runs a 4-2. Thought I doubt it, I think there are maybe 10 people in the nfl and ncaa combined that run a legit 4.2. UT has one of them. We are supposed to be ranked 6th? Wohoooooooooooooo. I really dont see us pulling it out though. I do see the winner going undefeated, I just see the winner being UT. Anyone know about Charles health status? Should be a great game to watch though. VY has a higher rating than Leinart. That is crazy. I would put VY in the lead for the heisman right now but I think in most voters minds, he is second. His best hope is that the USC players split it up. IF VY and Leinhart end with similar ratings and td to int rations (both at 12-5 right now) you gotta give the heisman to VY.

Edited to add that the heisman assumes both teams go undefeated. If one team loses I think the undefeated one gets it.

Drbio · 10-17-2005, 04:22 PM

UT always has problems with Tech...for whatever reason. I doubt it is a blowout. I'm impressed with Tech, but I do pick Texas to win.

Five-ofan · 10-17-2005, 04:37 PM

Except last year. I have seen every tech game and every UT game but 2. We have a punchers chance and we are always dangerous to any team. The CU game gave me hope because they had some people open that their qb just missed. IF Cu can get people open then Tech definitely will. I just dont see us stopping them. For us to win it needs to be like the game 2 years ago and the score be like 49-45. Its possible but I dont see them giving up 40 something points. We need VY to have one of his turnover games. I really dont want them to play Taylor at tailback because he scares me. He is just so fast. He is the fastest guy on UT and if he gets in the open field he is gone. As a UT fan I would be nervous about this game because its the last game they could lose even if they show up for it. As a Tech fan I am hoping for a win, expecting a loss, but thinking that we can keep it close.

Phil Helmuth · 10-17-2005, 11:51 PM

I go to UT and this season has been awesome. I was in Omaha this summer to see us win the college world series and am loving this football season. College gameday is going to be here to watch us roll by 21+.

alby · 10-18-2005, 10:00 AM

its not really that far-fetched for a baseball, football, basketball sweep this year [img]i/expressions/anim_shocked.gif[/img]

Five-ofan · 10-18-2005, 12:09 PM

Has that ever been done? Wouldnt technically count because school year wise baseball was last year. They would have to repeat but then again that is possible too.

Five-ofan · 10-19-2005, 01:53 AM

BTW, was just reading about ND vs USC being the greatest game ever or the last 35 years. Am I the only one that thought last years Rose Bowl was better? Just for entertainment that was an incredible game. Anyone else think so? I would just like to hear yalls opinions.