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Melonhead · 07-01-2016, 11:58 PM

Agreed ^^^

I have never been in favor of dirk leaving. Never. Until today. I can't stomach watching him sacrifice his body to play with whatever scrubs Cuban pulls together. Outside of Spurs/Mavs a couple of seasons ago, I really thought we would build on this previous season. Cuban has thrown it all away again on stubbornness and arrogance.

Murphy3 · 07-02-2016, 08:04 AM

Personally, I'd like to see Dirk be selfish if he stays in Dallas. Shoot the ball 20+ times a game. Average 25+.

j0Shi · 07-02-2016, 09:19 AM

Now that it's evident we can't field a playoff team or at best a borderline 8th seed, I'd like to see Dirk getting a max. He won't leave, we know that. So he should be compensated for all the paycuts he took over the years.

I don't see how we should throw major money on any available targets before Dirk.

ActionJackson · 07-02-2016, 10:01 AM

I can't see Dirk staying after this. I mean what's the point? He doesn't need the cash and he doesn't want to play for a bad team and only put up big useless numbers.

He wants to win and he has already done enough for this franchise. It's time to let it go.

j0Shi · 07-02-2016, 10:43 AM

I think he might be too loyal. And I'd like to see Dallas not further exploit that mentality.

Underdog · 07-02-2016, 10:49 AM

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I think he might be too loyal. And I'd like to see Dallas not further exploit that mentality.

That's the problem. I feel like there's no way in hell Dirk leaves unless Cuban asks him to... And Cuban isn't going to do that.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

I think he might be too loyal. And I'd like to see Dallas not further exploit that mentality.

I think this is a FO problem and not just a Dirk one. I'd like to see what another "GM" other than Donnie could do, but loyalty gets in the way.

mac222b · 07-02-2016, 11:26 AM

I think it's time for Dirk to leave. As much as I'd hate to see that. Easily my favorite athlete ever. Absolutely love the guy. It's selfish to keep him here. That's why we should let him go to GS. He deserves to compete for rings his last two seasons in the league.

Budapest Maverick · 07-02-2016, 12:00 PM

We love Dirk and if he wants to stay, that's absolutely his right, but then please, stay in a mentor role. Don't force the FO to go out and sign mediocre players again, for the sixth straight year, so we can once again win 35-40 games, and once he retires in two years, we'll still have those crappy contracts for another two or three years. Take on short bad contracts for assets, and start the young guys. Any other realistic signings will just hurt the franchise in the long run.

DoYouEvenLift · 07-02-2016, 01:09 PM

It appears Dirk is staying

From Eddie Sefko, Dallas Morning News:
A source said that Dirk Nowitzki remains as committed as ever to the team in spite of free agent shortfalls thus far.

Also, from ESPN's Dallas beat writer, usually a reliable source:
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Tim MacMahon ✔ @espn_macmahon
Memo to the #FreeDirk lobbyists: He is free. It's his decision to stay in Dallas. Not like Mark Cuban has kidnapped him.
10:02 AM - 2 Jul 2016
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Nicholas Taylor @ShadyNT
@espn_macmahon @mcuban #FreeDirk means we want @swish41 to go ahead and sign elsewhere bc he doesn't deserve another trash team in Dallas
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Tim MacMahon ✔ @espn_macmahon
@ShadyNT I get it ... But the dude has made the decision that staying in Dallas his whole career is want he wants.
10:09 AM - 2 Jul 2016
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bunkmoreland · 07-03-2016, 07:12 AM

We're not worthy.

tap2390 · 07-03-2016, 09:07 AM

Dirk, take $31 million and sit out half the year Kobe-style in the Bahamas. You've earned it.

j0Shi · 07-04-2016, 12:49 PM

With the Durant news another +1 for Dirk, who didn't choose the easy way out.

MFFL · 07-04-2016, 04:27 PM

According to Fish Dirk is resigning for the remainder of the money available. $9M to $12M

Skywalker · 07-04-2016, 07:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daDOJvkB0Zk

EricaLubarsky · 07-05-2016, 08:59 AM

No one talking about Dirks new 2/40 contract?

Can't say I completely agree, but it's basically exactly what 90% of the board has been requesting. I even hear year two is completely guaranteed so if Dirk retires, he'll still being in significant money.

Underdog · 07-05-2016, 09:06 AM

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No one talking about Dirks new 2/40 contract?

Can't say I completely agree, but it's basically exactly what 90% of the board has been requesting. I even hear year two is completely guaranteed so if Dirk retires, he'll still being in significant money.

Fine, good. Dirk left a record $72m on the table last contract and the FO did squat with it... They owe him.

Sure, giving $20m a year to a a 38-year-old is a crap move, salary-wise, but cap space doesn't mean much when you're not a contender anyway.

It is what it is.

Skywalker · 07-05-2016, 09:08 AM

2nd year is likely to be a player option, per Stein

So how exactly was this deal possible?

EricaLubarsky · 07-05-2016, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

2nd year is likely to be a player option, per Stein

So how exactly was this deal possible?

Bird

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In essence, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary.

Underdog · 07-05-2016, 09:14 AM

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2nd year is likely to be a player option, per Stein

So how exactly was this deal possible?

What do you mean? The option, or going over the cap? Because you can go over the cap to re-sign your own players... We used to do it all the time before Cuban started this whole Plan Powder nonsense after the new CBA came out.

Skywalker · 07-05-2016, 09:21 AM

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Bird

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What do you mean? The option, or going over the cap? Because you can go over the cap to re-sign your own players... We used to do it all the time before Cuban started this whole Plan Powder nonsense after the new CBA came out.

So if I got this right basically they fit everybody within the cap, including Dirk's cap hold of 12M or whatever, and then just went over the cap to re-sign him. That's it?

EricaLubarsky · 07-05-2016, 09:26 AM

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So if I got this right basically they fit everybody within the cap, including Dirk's cap hold of 12M or whatever, and then just went over the cap to re-sign him. That's it?

Yup. Exactly. Could hypothetically have gone up to 30 a year, too.

But now we have zero cap room. If we want more roster adjustments it will be minimum contracts or trade. We're at 14, so unlikely to do anything but sign a summer league guy to send down to the d-league.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-05-2016, 09:37 AM

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So if I got this right basically they fit everybody within the cap, including Dirk's cap hold of 12M or whatever, and then just went over the cap to re-sign him. That's it?

Yep. It's weird, last we heard yesterday Dirk's deal was likely going to be done before the Barnes deal because it was being reported as "9-12m" or "whatever was left". Then I get up today and see he's getting 20 so they somehow got everyone under the cap with his hold allowing them to go over the cap to resign. I guess that means we for sure cut McGee and his non guaranteed contract? I can't think of anything else off hand unless the renounced free agents yesterday did not include Lee or CV3 in the original plan and now they do? Only other thing I can see was misinformation/bad reporting. Or maybe just a bad assumption of the term "whatever is left".

Underdog · 07-05-2016, 09:45 AM

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Yep. It's weird, last we heard yesterday Dirk's deal was likely going to be done before the Barnes deal because it was being reported as "9-12m" or "whatever was left". Then I get up today and see he's getting 20 so they somehow got everyone under the cap with his hold allowing them to go over the cap to resign. I guess that means we for sure cut McGee and his non guaranteed contract? I can't think of anything else off hand unless the renounced free agents yesterday did not include Lee or CV3 in the original plan and now they do? Only other thing I can see was misinformation/bad reporting. Or maybe just a bad assumption of the term "whatever is left".

Dirk did get whatever was left -- and then some.

sefant77 · 07-05-2016, 09:50 AM

38y old Dirk is still underpaid with 20m, lol. Just look who got all 16-22 million this offseason.

rimrocker · 07-05-2016, 10:02 AM

This has turned out to be a decent off-season. Everyone seems to win here. Are we a legit title contender? No but we have a decent roster with some promising youth and Dirk gets paid. Plus the few vets that we do have are very tradeable.

EastTxMFFL · 07-05-2016, 10:19 AM

I'm completely fine with legacy contracts like this. Hell...Dirk deserves even more.

NeedlesKane · 07-05-2016, 10:40 AM

I have a strong feeling that he will not play beyond 40. For some reason athletes, whether healthy or not, stop playing at that age. So these will likely be his final two seasons, and I look forward to how the organization honors him. Maybe they will let him shoot every shot in his final game just to mock Kobe's last effort.

Know what though? He won't. He's cares more about winning.

Wang Zhi Zhi · 07-05-2016, 10:55 AM

So this probably doesn't affect us much at all this year since we were going to be at or over the cap anyway. But this will eat into our cap space pretty significantly next off season, wont it?

Not saying he doesn't deserve some "back pay", or that it might help with some general goodwill around the league by showing how MC will do right by his players. But purely by the numbers that is a pretty big cap hit for a to-be-40-yr-old next year, isn't it?

EricaLubarsky · 07-05-2016, 10:59 AM

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So this probably doesn't affect us much at all this year since we were going to be at or over the cap anyway. But this will eat into our cap space pretty significantly next off season, wont it?

Not saying he doesn't deserve some "back pay", or that it might help with some general goodwill around the league by showing how MC will do right by his players. But purely by the numbers that is a pretty big cap hit for a to-be-40-yr-old next year, isn't it?

Those were my thoughts, but second year is player option. I could really see Dirk opting out to retire or opting out to see if there is anything the cap can get and if that fails, signing a new one-year 20mill contract. A lot of flexibility. That, and we saw what cap space got us-- a serviceable center, a second round pick, and an overpaid (but potentially skilled) second-tier free agent. Space certainly isn't everything.

Melonhead · 07-05-2016, 11:12 AM

Thank you Cuban. I was appreciative of dirk taking a discount, but it was too much. If theres a perception that you devalue yourself, people will also think that of you. He rightfully deserves this contract and more, and people around the league will know that.

Drove me nuts hearing people on here say Dirk at 5m to help with FA. Its not worth it and doesnt always work out (now we know).

NeedlesKane · 07-05-2016, 11:09 AM

It seems that Dirk will be the 2nd 20-year 1 team player, the other being Kobe Bryant. I think that is really cool. I wonder if there will ever be a player drafted by a team who does the same. Kobe was drafted by Charlotte, and Dirk was drafted by Milwaukee. Of course L.A. traded Vlade Divac for Kobe, and Dallas traded Robert Traylor for Dirk. Those are two of the craziest trades in NBA history when looking at things in hindsight.

Underdog · 07-05-2016, 12:00 PM

@JoshEberley: Dirk Nowitzki got a way harder path to superstardom than Tim Duncan, or Kobe Bryant. There's no comparison, fought for every inch.

@JoshEberley: Dirk Nowitzki's best teammate ever was one of:

Nash before his prime.
Past his prime Kidd.
Chandler for the ring run
Finley.

@JoshEberley: Kobe started his career with a top 10 player ever, won three rings before age 25, still requested a trade. Dirk's loyalty is unmatched.

@JoshEberley: Tim Duncan won a ring his sophomore season, always had talent around him. People forget how big that 06 series was for Dirk and the Mavs.

@JoshEberley: Think about what Dirk witnessed and never bailed.

Nash leaves, back-to-back MVP's.
Finley leaves wins a ring.
06 Finals loss.
07 collapse.

@JoshEberley: LeBron left a team that failed to support him with star talent, Durant left a team that was just up 3-1 on the defending champs.

@JoshEberley: Even after Nowitzki and the Mavericks win in 2011, when the management failed over and over he dug in. That's loyalty.

@JoshEberley: People are rightfully upset that the Mavs haven't built a contender around Dirk the last few years. . But, truth is he always overachieved.

Skywalker · 07-05-2016, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@JoshEberley: Dirk Nowitzki got a way harder path to superstardom than Tim Duncan, or Kobe Bryant. There's no comparison, fought for every inch.

@JoshEberley: Dirk Nowitzki's best teammate ever was one of:

Nash before his prime.
Past his prime Kidd.
Chandler for the ring run
Finley.

@JoshEberley: Kobe started his career with a top 10 player ever, won three rings before age 25, still requested a trade. Dirk's loyalty is unmatched.

@JoshEberley: Tim Duncan won a ring his sophomore season, always had talent around him. People forget how big that 06 series was for Dirk and the Mavs.

@JoshEberley: Think about what Dirk witnessed and never bailed.

Nash leaves, back-to-back MVP's.
Finley leaves wins a ring.
06 Finals loss.
07 collapse.

@JoshEberley: LeBron left a team that failed to support him with star talent, Durant left a team that was just up 3-1 on the defending champs.

@JoshEberley: Even after Nowitzki and the Mavericks win in 2011, when the management failed over and over he dug in. That's loyalty.

@JoshEberley: People are rightfully upset that the Mavs haven't built a contender around Dirk the last few years. . But, truth is he always overachieved.

Some of those Spurs teams from the early 00's were kind of shitty outside of Duncan and Robinson honestly. Other than that this is spot on.

Melonhead · 07-05-2016, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@JoshEberley: Dirk Nowitzki got a way harder path to superstardom than Tim Duncan, or Kobe Bryant. There's no comparison, fought for every inch.

@JoshEberley: Dirk Nowitzki's best teammate ever was one of:

Nash before his prime.
Past his prime Kidd.
Chandler for the ring run
Finley.

@JoshEberley: Kobe started his career with a top 10 player ever, won three rings before age 25, still requested a trade. Dirk's loyalty is unmatched.

@JoshEberley: Tim Duncan won a ring his sophomore season, always had talent around him. People forget how big that 06 series was for Dirk and the Mavs.

@JoshEberley: Think about what Dirk witnessed and never bailed.

Nash leaves, back-to-back MVP's.
Finley leaves wins a ring.
06 Finals loss.
07 collapse.

@JoshEberley: LeBron left a team that failed to support him with star talent, Durant left a team that was just up 3-1 on the defending champs.

@JoshEberley: Even after Nowitzki and the Mavericks win in 2011, when the management failed over and over he dug in. That's loyalty.

@JoshEberley: People are rightfully upset that the Mavs haven't built a contender around Dirk the last few years. . But, truth is he always overachieved.

So nice to see people still setting the narrative straight on twitter. Legacy lives on.

Underdog · 07-05-2016, 12:02 PM

Two year contract:

Skywalker · 07-05-2016, 12:24 PM

Also I'm stoked to see Dirk get into the 30K point club. That's something that can never be taken away from him unlike say a top 5 rank or whatever

sefant77 · 07-05-2016, 02:23 PM

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Also I'm stoked to see Dirk get into the 30K point club. That's something that can never be taken away from him unlike say a top 5 rank or whatever

Healthy he is catching Wilt in this two years for sure but probably few hundred points short to catch the GOAT

EastTxMFFL · 07-05-2016, 03:35 PM

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Healthy he is catching Wilt in this two years for sure but probably few hundred points short to catch the GOAT

While the convo is currently about the alltime points club, I'd like to bring up Kareem's ridiculously disrespectful shot at Dirk from last year. I've always thought it broke the "code" that the hall of famers seemingly have. It just seemed so classless of him.

sefant77 · 07-05-2016, 05:24 PM

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While the convo is currently about the alltime points club, I'd like to bring up Kareem's ridiculously disrespectful shot at Dirk from last year. I've always thought it broke the "code" that the hall of famers seemingly have. It just seemed so classless of him.

Ask Lakers fans about KAJ...he is a living sack of butthurt.