Official Dirk is Great Thread - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

greensborohill · 03-17-2008, 03:46 PM

How do i post a pic, I got a cool one to share

Underdog · 03-17-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by greensborohill

How do i post a pic, I got a cool one to share

This thread should answer your question...

greensborohill · 03-17-2008, 03:58 PM

I didn't see any icon, but I got it to work.

Thnx

Underdog · 03-17-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by greensborohill

I didn't see any icon, but I got it to work.

Thnx

This was an excellent choice to post as your first pic - it embodies the thread title...

quiet riot act · 03-17-2008, 03:58 PM

dirk is so great ...he even made avery look good for a while

avery - dirk = nothing

DirkFTW · 03-17-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet riot act

dirk is so great ...he even made avery look good for a while

avery - dirk = nothing

avery - dirk + dirk = nothing + dirk
avery = dirk

left texas · 03-17-2008, 04:03 PM

Dirk is great!! This 14 seconds of his career defines what he is really all about. I know most of you have seen this, but I think we all felt the same way. Go Dirk!!!!!!

LINK

ty · 03-17-2008, 04:17 PM

His fade is so smooth...

endrity · 03-17-2008, 04:20 PM

Whoever doesn't think there is anti-Dirk bias just doesn't know the world out there. Look at the comments in youtube clips, go spend sometime in other team's boards (I do this a lot) and you'll see what a huge anti-Dirk bias is out there. Many people dislike him. That is a fact.

Why it happens, it's been widely discussed. I think it's also because he goes against every thing that people have been taught about the game. He is a 7footer who is a great shooter, who can score on the block but also anywhere else around the floor. As John Thompson put it very clearely in an interview he did with Dirk and Kidd: "He screwed up the game".

All over America coaches are telling their 7 footers to be push people around, score from two feet away, and barely teaching them how to move. And then here comes this kid from Europe and is so succesful by being totally opposite from what people want out of 7 footers. It's kind of mocking the game that people have been taught.

That plus that he is white, and a European, makes him ripe for criticism. As someone already said, when did you ever hear "soft black boyz" or "tough European" for anyone. NEVER!

Personally I believe this all goes away when/if he wins a title. They can say a lot of thing after that about him, but it can't be that he isn't a winner or that he is 'soft' or a 'choker'.

LSMF · 03-17-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by endrity

Whoever doesn't think there is anti-Dirk bias just doesn't know the world out there. Look at the comments in youtube clips, go spend sometime in other team's boards (I do this a lot) and you'll see what a huge anti-Dirk bias is out there. Many people dislike him. That is a fact.

Why it happens, it's been widely discussed. I think it's also because he goes against every thing that people have been taught about the game. He is a 7footer who is a great shooter, who can score on the block but also anywhere else around the floor. As John Thompson put it very clearely in an interview he did with Dirk and Kidd: "He screwed up the game".

All over America coaches are telling their 7 footers to be push people around, score from two feet away, and barely teaching them how to move. And then here comes this kid from Europe and is so succesful by being totally opposite from what people want out of 7 footers. It's kind of mocking the game that people have been taught.

That plus that he is white, and a European, makes him ripe for criticism. As someone already said, when did you ever hear "soft black boyz" or "tough European" for anyone. NEVER!

Personally I believe this all goes away when/if he wins a title. They can say a lot of thing after that about him, but it can't be that he isn't a winner or that he is 'soft' or a 'choker'.

You nailed it, that's the same exact thing I was trying to say and immediately I was given negative rep. I don't care though because it's the truth, people once used to call the mavs "soft white boyz". That right there should show how much people respect dirk. The fact imo is that Dirk is unstoppable but since he is white and a euro he will alway be called "soft". If Duncan was the one shooting 3's everyone would be praising him all the time but since it's dirk he is called soft. If you can't see that there is a bias against Dirk then I don't know what to tell you. Even Stack said it on a interview with Stephen A.Smith that the reason why the mavs are considered soft is because they have a jumpshooting euro player as their leader. And I will try to find the link of the interview just to prove it.

endrity · 03-17-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan

You nailed it, that's the same exact thing I was trying to say and immediately I was given negative rep. I don't care though because it's the truth, people once used to call the mavs "soft white boyz". That right there should show how much people respect dirk. The fact imo is that Dirk is unstoppable but since he is white and a euro he will alway be called "soft". If Duncan was the one shooting 3's everyone would be praising him all the time but since it's dirk he is called soft. If you can't see that there is a bias against Dirk then I don't know what to tell you. Even Stack said it on a interview with Stephen A.Smith that the reason why the mavs are considered soft is because they have a jumpshooting euro player as their leader. And I will try to find the link of the interview just to prove it.

In fact Sheed shoots jumpers, spend little time on the block, is prone to many mental mistakes that cost his team (Game 5, 2005 Finals) yet all you hear about him is praise. KG isn't really a dominating force on the block either, does his damage from 10-15 feet mostly, kind of like the new Dirk. He has barely achieved any success with his teams, but he yells and screams. So he is tough. It's all about the rep that people wanna give you, and Euros in basketball will always be 'soft' cause they can't dunk like black American players.

Here's a great example I just though of. A couple of weeks ago there was a podcast on ESPN. It was a lengthy interview, discussion, between Bill Simmons and Rich Bucher (I realize people will say Rich has always hated Dirk and the Mavs but he is in the national media that spreads the rep around). They are talking about the West race, and then the conversation turns to Gasol and the Lakers. Who is their worst matchup, and Simmons says it's gotta be the Spurs. Bucher says it's true on theory, but he spend some time talking to Memphis coaches and they said that Gasol does well against Duncan. However he gets shredded by Amare and.... Dirk. Bill Simmons says that is true, he has seen it in both cases. And when Simmons admits that about Dirk, Bucher says "Yeah, go figure that one out right". I was like what the f......???? Where have you been you f.... moron. Have you seen the 06 playoffs, cause I know you could care less about international ball. And what the hell is that supposed to mean. Dirk is a top2 player at his position, and you say it's tough to understand how he owns other players that play there????

It was a huge sign of disprespect, and one that BS didn't even try to argue. That is what the media is telling people about Dirk this year. How come I never even hear his name in MVP dicussions after what he has done the last month. The Mavs are right there in the West, Dirk is playing amazing, but somehow Paul, McGrady, Bryant all get mentioned and Dirk doesn't even warrant a top 10 place??? But Dwight Howard does???

LSMF · 03-17-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by endrity

In fact Sheed shoots jumpers, spend little time on the block, is prone to many mental mistakes that cost his team (Game 5, 2005 Finals) yet all you hear about him is praise. KG isn't really a dominating force on the block either, does his damage from 10-15 feet mostly, kind of like the new Dirk. He has barely achieved any success with his teams, but he yells and screams. So he is tough. It's all about the rep that people wanna give you, and Euros in basketball will always be 'soft' cause they can't dunk like black American players.

Here's a great example I just though of. A couple of weeks ago there was a podcast on ESPN. It was a lengthy interview, discussion, between Bill Simmons and Rich Bucher (I realize people will say Rich has always hated Dirk and the Mavs but he is in the national media that spreads the rep around). They are talking about the West race, and then the conversation turns to Gasol and the Lakers. Who is their worst matchup, and Simmons says it's gotta be the Spurs. Bucher says it's true on theory, but he spend some time talking to Memphis coaches and they said that Gasol does well against Duncan. However he gets shredded by Amare and.... Dirk. Bill Simmons says that is true, he has seen it in both cases. And when Simmons admits that about Dirk, Bucher says "Yeah, go figure that one out right". I was like what the f......???? Where have you been you f.... moron. Have you seen the 06 playoffs, cause I know you could care less about international ball. And what the hell is that supposed to mean. Dirk is a top2 player at his position, and you say it's tough to understand how he owns other players that play there????

It was a huge sign of disprespect, and one that BS didn't even try to argue. That is what the media is telling people about Dirk this year. How come I never even hear his name in MVP dicussions after what he has done the last month. The Mavs are right there in the West, Dirk is playing amazing, but somehow Paul, McGrady, Bryant all get mentioned and Dirk doesn't even warrant a top 10 place??? But Dwight Howard does???

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to endrity again.

You are a freakin genius Endrity, great points you made right there.
I hope other people take the time to read this post, an example of this is Tracy Mcgrady, Kevin Garnett and Carmelo. All of those dudes have not achieved much for their teams but because each possess a certain characteristic that the media likes they are allowed to slide. Both Mcgrady and Melo have not won a playoff series ever but because they are flashy you barely hear anything about them. And also they can never be considered "soft" because they are black(no racism intended).

Garnett is freakin annoyin imo, he's a great player and i love his intensity but most of the time he acts like a freakin wwf wrestler during games. He's banging water bottles on his head, talkin $hitt to himself and other opponents Acting wild and crazy during games. He's been in the league for freakin 13 years and hasn't won jack$hitt and all you will hear is that he is a "warrior" from the media and fans.

Dirk singlehandedly carried his team into the finals in 2006 and if not for that bastard D-fake and bastard refs Dirk would have a ring. Yet he is criticized for being the reason why the mavs lost, how can Dirk be getting pounded by Haslem with no call and wade shooting Ft at every touch be a fair series? I still can't understand how wade shot 97 freethrows! Well I guess we will have to live with Dirk being called soft for a long time, even when Dirk wins his ring I bet you some fools will say it's a fluke and that he is still soft.

endrity · 03-17-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to endrity again.

You are a freakin genius Endrity, great points you made right there.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to longsuferringmavsfan again.

Thank you sir, you are very kind.

sike · 03-17-2008, 04:29 PM

that shot he hit to break Ro's record was a perfect example of a "NoooooooooooooooYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!" generic Dirk shot.

Dirk is great.

chumdawg · 03-17-2008, 06:11 PM

Dirk

nowhereman · 03-17-2008, 06:15 PM

what do Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, and Tracy McGrady have in common? they are all below Nowitzki in PER this year. And Dirk is statistically having a down year.

Dirk has thrown down some absolutely sick dunks this year. His lefty slam against the Lakers in the first quarter a couple of weeks back is a notable one. His shot is falling right now too. You can't stop this guy, no matter how you play him, and he's been stellar on the defensive end this season. In terms of pure ability, he is light years ahead of where he was even 2 years ago, which was statistically one of his 2 best years to date.

Nowitzki is already locked into the top 7 PF of all time (i'd have him at #5 myself, personally) and is only halfway through his career. I have no doubt in my mind he's going to be locked into the top 4 ever behind Duncan and Malone by the time he's done. I think the 4 (and counting) titles basically lock it up for Duncan, but if Dirk wins a ring, he has a real shot to be #2 on most people's ballots.

Basically, Dirk is amazing. He is already measured by standards reserved for the all time greats, and his face will be on the Mt. Rushmore of power forwards by the time it's all said and done.

Five-ofan · 03-18-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

what do Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, and Tracy McGrady have in common? they are all below Nowitzki in PER this year. And Dirk is statistically having a down year.

Dirk has thrown down some absolutely sick dunks this year. His lefty slam against the Lakers in the first quarter a couple of weeks back is a notable one. His shot is falling right now too. You can't stop this guy, no matter how you play him, and he's been stellar on the defensive end this season. In terms of pure ability, he is light years ahead of where he was even 2 years ago, which was statistically one of his 2 best years to date.

Nowitzki is already locked into the top 7 PF of all time (i'd have him at #5 myself, personally) and is only halfway through his career. I have no doubt in my mind he's going to be locked into the top 4 ever behind Duncan and Malone by the time he's done. I think the 4 (and counting) titles basically lock it up for Duncan, but if Dirk wins a ring, he has a real shot to be #2 on most people's ballots.

Basically, Dirk is amazing. He is already measured by standards reserved for the all time greats, and his face will be on the Mt. Rushmore of power forwards by the time it's all said and done.

great post. honestly this year dirk should be the second team all defensive pf behind kg.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 03-17-2008, 06:16 PM

Dirk is all the things listed above from various posts (white, European, untraditional 7 footer) and on top of that plays for in my opinion the most disrespected team in the league, the Mavs. I swear media and non-Mavs fans treat the Mavericks like it's still the early 90's where they win 20 games a season. It doesn't help a bit that we flamed out the last two years in the most dramatic fashion possible.

It's not going to ever change until the Dallas Mavericks are NBA Champions....EVER.

mavsjunkie · 03-17-2008, 08:43 PM

Let's not go crazy here, remember we're all feeling a little warm and fuzzy inside because we've played a bunch of trash the last couple of weeks, and Dirks been doing it against junk, and I do love me some Dirk, and he's great, but we're Maverick Fans, and asking us if Dirk is great doesn't measure his greatness.

Ask the rest of the league, and if they conquer, then he is great. Like I can safely say that Kobe is great, and i'm not a fan of his or his team.

So don't ask our own fans, ask the nation.

endrity · 03-17-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mavsjunkie

Let's not go crazy here, remember we're all feeling a little warm and fuzzy inside because we've played a bunch of trash the last couple of weeks, and Dirks been doing it against junk, and I do love me some Dirk, and he's great, but we're Maverick Fans, and asking us if Dirk is great doesn't measure his greatness.

Ask the rest of the league, and if they conquer, then he is great. Like I can safely say that Kobe is great, and i'm not a fan of his or his team.

So don't ask our own fans, ask the nation.

Sorry but I disagree. Most fans will agree with what the media tells them. If the media tells them that Billups and Arenas are clutch, that's what they'll think. They won't know that in the last two seasons those guys have missed the most clutch shots out of anybody in the league.

To me the respect comes from players and coaches. And Dirk is constantly an All Star, voted in always by the coaches, not the fans. And he is always being double teamed, and the focus of defenses. That's respect.

Read my post above to see what kind of disrespect the media has for him.

endrity · 03-17-2008, 10:06 PM

Rajon Rondo just grabed a rebond in between Duncan and Parker, to decide the game pretty much, just like he did against the Mavs. I don't think we'll see anyone call out Duncan like they did against Dirk.

LSMF · 03-17-2008, 10:09 PM

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Rajon Rondo just grabed a rebond in between Duncan and Parker, to decide the game pretty much, just like he did against the Mavs. I don't think we'll see anyone call out Duncan like they did against Dirk.

You probably won't hear a word about it, but when it happened to Dirk everyone was bashing Dirk as usual

Locked_Up_Tonight · 03-17-2008, 10:57 PM

Okay, someone clue me in on the game in which he did that?

monty55555 · 03-17-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Locked_Up_Tonight

Okay, someone clue me in on the game in which he did that?

Isn't it when Kidd stole the ball at half court and tapped it to Dirk for the looooong 3? Kings @ Mavs?

I'm not sure though.

bernardos70 · 03-17-2008, 10:59 PM

If it wasn't for Dirk, I would never have gotten into watching the NBA.

craggmac · 11-20-2008, 09:43 PM

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If it wasn't for Dirk, I would never have gotten into watching the NBA.

If it weren't for Dirk, I would have never gotten BACK into watching the NBA. I drove the freakin' Bulls Bandwagon back in the day.

kingmalaki · 03-17-2008, 11:31 PM

Dirk is great and one of the top players in the league today. As far as All-Time PF's, my rankings as of today would be:

Duncan - for obvious reasons
Barkley/Malone - pick one
McHale - don't be fooled because he deferred to Bird to win...and he was a very good defender as well
Pettit - I didn't get to see him play though
Hayes - dominant on both sides of the ball
KG - I pick him over Dirk because he plays defense and is better at getting others involved....his two seasons with actual help make me think he would have been just as successful in Dallas surrounded by all the good teammates Dirk got to play with

pepe · 03-17-2008, 11:33 PM

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Isn't it when Kidd stole the ball at half court and tapped it to Dirk for the looooong 3? Kings @ Mavs?

Yeeeess indeed, I will never forget that play.

PS In the photo, Dirk looks like a male pornstar picking up chicks in a bar.

purplefrog · 03-17-2008, 11:36 PM

Was Elgin Baylor considered a PF or SF? I know he was only around 6'5" or so, but back in the 60s that could have been a PF.

kingmalaki · 03-17-2008, 11:41 PM

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Was Elgin Baylor considered a PF or SF? I know he was only around 6'5" or so, but back in the 60s that could have been a PF.

He was a PF/C...listed at 6-9. I'm not sure if he was actually 6-9, but he matched up with Alcindor in college....

ShaggyDirk · 03-17-2008, 11:43 PM

I love me some Dirk

roadrunner · 03-17-2008, 11:47 PM

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I love me some Dirk

That was hilarious...if you could have only seen me chasing that damn window around trying to close it as my ears started bleeding!

LSMF · 03-17-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaggyDirk

I love me some Dirk

You will pay for this...

Dirkgreatness · 03-18-2008, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ShaggyDirk

I love me some Dirk

I hate you....

SkullLeader · 03-18-2008, 01:57 AM

And here I thought that this will be one of those “Dirk can beat Chuck Norris in a fist fight” kind of threads like the one Kidd had the other month.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 03-18-2008, 10:45 PM

And watch the Dirk hate come on about him being called a choker after missing the shot against the Lakers.

nashtymavsfan13 · 03-18-2008, 10:51 PM

35 points, 11 boards, 3 threes, 5 blocks. Effing beast.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 03-18-2008, 10:59 PM

Won't matter. Go read a "national board." He will get labeled a choker for not hiiting the shot. Want proof? Go read insidehoops.com for starters.

Like others said in this thread... there is a lot of hate directed towards Dirk.

monty55555 · 03-18-2008, 11:11 PM

Those who don't see the greatness of Dirk are those fans who only value "high-flying dunks and athletic moves." They judge a player's value by those highlight reels they see.

Dirk has always been one of my favorite players. Now that I have watched the Mavs move closely, I have realized that he truly is a special guy.

chumdawg · 03-19-2008, 01:04 AM

Dirk