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sefant77 · 04-27-2012, 05:20 PM

This thread for all the discussions around our own pick.

We were tied for the 16th pick with the Knicks and Jazz. Lost the tiebreaker to the Knicks, won over Utah.

Mavs will pick #17 in a overall considered good draft.

Since its hard to grab at #17 player with immediatly impact i think we will trade this pick. Either with Odom/Jones to erase their salary or for a proven role player.

Draft order:
1. Bobcats - (25%)
2. Wizards - (19.9%)
3. Cleveland - (13.8%)
4. Hornets - (13.7%)
5. Sacramento - (7.6%)
6. Portland(via Nets top 3 protected) - (7.5%)
7. Warriors(Utah'z pick, top 7 protected) - (3.6%)
8. Raptors - (3.5%)
9. Detroit - (1.7%)
10. Hornets(via Minnesota) - (1.1%)
11. Portland - (0.8%)
12. Bucks - (0.7%)
13. Suns - (0.6%)
14. Houston - (0.5%)

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15. Sixers
16. Houston(via Knicks)
17. Dallas
18. Minnesota(via Utah)
19. Orlando
20. Denver
21. Boston
22. Boston(via Clippers)
23. Atlanta
24. Cleveland(via Lakers)
25. Memphis
26. Indiana
27. Miami
28. Oklahoma City
29. Chicago
30. Golden State(via Spurs)

chumdawg · 04-27-2012, 09:55 PM

Ever since Mo Ager, I haven't been too excited about the Mavs draft.

jthig32 · 04-28-2012, 01:31 AM

I think it's very, very unlikely that the Mavs start the season with a player drafted with this pick.

CaseyJones · 04-28-2012, 02:52 AM

Theres a couple players that they could possibly get that may be worth keeping

nowhereman · 04-30-2012, 12:08 AM

I really wish the team would consider / held the assets to move up into the top 10. The Mavs haven't drafted a reliable rotation player since Devin Harris. With the new CBA, Cuban has to realize the value of impact rookie-wage players, right?

That said, I don't think the Mavs have a first round pick this year.

jthig32 · 04-30-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

That said, I don't think the Mavs have a first round pick this year.

Yes they do.

nowhereman · 04-30-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Yes they do.

Right now they do. I don't think they'll hold on to the pick.

He15man · 04-30-2012, 01:14 AM

If Brad Beal, shooting guard out of Florida falls down to 17th he would be a great pick up for Dallas.

He's been projected top 5, some say top 10. You never know with all the Kentucky guys going pro, add in a few Europeans.

I would love to see Bradley Beal fall to the Mavs but i doubt it happens.

Budapest Maverick · 05-13-2012, 03:11 AM

I'm really intrigued about 2 prospects in our range, Meyers Leonard, and Terrence Ross. Leonard is a C, elite athlete, with elite size (7'0), and a good defender, with an improving all-around game, he can get selected as high as 8-10 though. Ross is a 6'6 shooting guard, he's very athletic himself, and a natural shooter, he has a pretty grood stroke from deep, he shot 37% from 3, but he had lots of dribble, and pull up 3 judging by his mix, with us he'd get clean looks, and i think he should be able to shoot it around 40%. He's a good defender as well, he could get selected in the lottery as well, but most pegs him down around 15-17, so in our range.

Leonard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LWNpaPEw6o

Ross: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CYeHHeI4fg

They does not look like the next Podkolzin, or Mo Ager. We better keep this year's pick. This is said to be one of the deepest first round in NBA history. Not a lot of potential hall of fame prospect, but lots of potential starter, and rotation prospect.

Quetzalcoatl · 05-13-2012, 04:22 AM

I think they are interesting players, but I doubt if Leonard will be available for the 17th pick.

Ross meanwhile could be a good adquisition. Is he more a 2 or a 3?

Budapest Maverick · 05-13-2012, 04:32 AM

From what i've gathered, it looks like he's a prototypical shooting guard, with a very good stroke. And they also say, he has very good court vision, though his assist averages does not really reflect that. But court vision not always has a direct correlation with assist numbers, especially in college ball. Yeah, unfortunately there is a good chance Leonard gets selected in the lottery, maybe as high as 7 or 8. Somebody in that range will gamble on a talented big man. Still, Ross would be awesome, of course you can't be sure, but he would be our most interesting prospect with Roddy in the last 8 years. It would be time that we find a gem just like the Spurs seemingly does almost every year.

mavs777 · 05-13-2012, 11:29 PM

Not a fan of Leonard while he is skilled and can play from the high post he needs to get his upper stronger and plays soft and passive. Meanwhile Ross is a guy who can contribute right away, he has everything but handles, he can knock down threes well off the catch and shoot and is a very good defender.

EricaLubarsky · 05-14-2012, 12:47 AM

Kevin Murphy could be a steal for this team and he's really flying under the radar. He's decent defensively and an absolute beast from outside.

Jeffery Taylor could be a very good pickup and he won't take much to transition. Doesnt have a jumper but he gets his hands on a lot of balls and he could catch a lot of oops if we land Deron.

I like the idea of Ross because its always great to have a shooter and we certainly need to surround Dirk with a big down low, a PG and some shooters. Not everyone needs to be a playmaker if we get Deron.

Austin Rivers is a must if he drops. He's a Kev-Mart starter kit with a great all around game and an underrated feel for the game.

Not at all impressed with any of the prospects at center. Lots of SFs and undersized PFs again. Lots of talent but just a glut at 6'7"

sefant77 · 05-15-2012, 02:45 PM

We gonna pack our pick anyway...for a veteran player or to dumo salary.

aexchange · 05-15-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

We gonna pack our pick anyway...for a veteran player or to dumo salary.

I don't think we can since technically next season our pick could fall outside of the top 20 and would need to be conferred to the Lakers. Someone who has read up on the CBA, help me out on this one.

EricaLubarsky · 05-15-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

I don't think we can since technically next season our pick could fall outside of the top 20 and would need to be conferred to the Lakers. Someone who has read up on the CBA, help me out on this one.

If I understand what Sefant was saying, there isnt a reason we can't.

We can trade either the 17th pick or the rights to whoever we pick at #17 to anyone and its all free and clear. All we owe is the next draft pick we have that is below 19.

The problem is for other teams primarily in that it ties up future draft picks, so if we trade our 2013 first rounder and next year we also end up 1-19, then whoever got our 2013 pick would have to wait until the Lakers (or whoever currently held the rights to that pick) got theirs. It mostly impacts the other team but teams may be less likely to trade with us if they know that they will be second in line for a pick.

Say, if we trade this year's 17 for a 2013 first rounder from Milwaukee-- we'd still have Milwaukee's pick regardless of where Milwaukee drafted, even if they drafted 20-30. Lakers get the first original MAVS pick that falls below 19, unless we never draft that low for the next 5 years. So if we did that Milwaukee trade and ended up in the same spot again next year and got a 16th pick overall, we'd have our 16th (which we wouldnt have to give up) AND Milwaukee's.

jthig32 · 05-16-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aexchange

I don't think we can since technically next season our pick could fall outside of the top 20 and would need to be conferred to the Lakers. Someone who has read up on the CBA, help me out on this one.

They can just draft for someone and then trade the pick. The rule against trading consecutive first rounders only applies to future picks.

mavs777 · 05-16-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

We gonna pack our pick anyway...for a veteran player or to dumo salary.

maybe for a veteran player but i highly doubt we use the pick to dump salary. Given Carlisle's comments that I believe BG posted on his twitter page they are about to start getting serious about evaluating draft prospects.

clutch#41 · 05-18-2012, 03:50 PM

been to a few draft sites and they have the mavs picking terrence ross!! not bad if you ask me. the mavs need to hit on this draft pick this year!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92pQIYhLo-k

BGMaverick9 · 05-18-2012, 06:58 PM

Thought this had some good tidbits
http://www.nba.com/news/features/dav...rds/index.html

They always have the option of trading up: 17 and something like Roddy could possibly get you higher in the draft.

b_o_r · 05-31-2012, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Thought this had some good tidbits
http://www.nba.com/news/features/dav...rds/index.html

They always have the option of trading up: 17 and something like Roddy could possibly get you higher in the draft.

Just about to post that.
Roddy/17th pick/55th to New Orleans for the 10th pick. NO will be looking to get a point guard with their 2nd pick.

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NO will probably package the 10th pick to get rid of Jarrett Jack's and or Ariza's contract.

Mocks have the Suns picking Ross and the 76ers picking Moultrie. If those are the guys they are looking at the Mavs will need to move up.

Not big on ball dominant 2's, so no to Austin Rivers.

mac222b · 05-31-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

Just about to post that.
Roddy/17th pick/55th to New Orleans for the 10th pick. NO will be looking to get a point guard with their 2nd pick.

edit....
NO will probably package the 10th pick to get rid of Jarrett Jack's and or Ariza's contract.

Mocks have the Suns picking Ross and the 76ers picking Moultrie. If those are the guys they are looking at the Mavs will need to move up.

Not big on ball dominant 2's, so no to Austin Rivers.

Thats ALOT to give up for the 10th pick. I wouldnt give Roddy straight up for the 10th pick.

mavs777 · 05-31-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Thats ALOT to give up for the 10th pick. I wouldnt give Roddy straight up for the 10th pick.

Well I wouldn't worry about getting Roddy for a lottery pick, those have a lot more value than him.

mac222b · 05-31-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Well I wouldn't worry about getting Roddy for a lottery pick, those have a lot more value than him.

Notice i said "I" wouldnt. Its situational. Some teams would and some wouldnt.
But its funny seeing people throwing around the idea of trading Roddy when he may be able to finally pay off on some of that potential, for a guy(pick #10)who's likely 2-3 yrs. away from contributing. Its backwards. Unless the Mavs think theyve scoped the next james harden at #10 or something. Even then he took a couple years to develop.

OneLove22 · 05-31-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Thats ALOT to give up for the 10th pick. I wouldnt give Roddy straight up for the 10th pick.

I would in this years draft.

b_o_r · 06-01-2012, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Thats ALOT to give up for the 10th pick. I wouldnt give Roddy straight up for the 10th pick.

Ross is going to be off the board before the 17th pick. If you do get Deron, it would be nice to give a the PG a true SG. You probably resign West and Kidd. That leaves no room for Roddy once again. Giving up a player you only use when the major players are injured isn't giving up a lot.

mac222b · 06-01-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

Ross is going to be off the board before the 17th pick. If you do get Deron, it would be nice to give a the PG a true SG. You probably resign West and Kidd. That leaves no room for Roddy once again. Giving up a player you only use when the major players are injured isn't giving up a lot.

I understand the reasoning. But how is Ross any further along then Roddy? 2-3 yrs minimum before he's ready. And i really like Ross btw.

I just wonder if Roddy wouldnt have Brandon Jennings or Kyle Lowry trade value if he were given 36+ minutes. i think he would. I also think its rare that
a young vet is traded for a low lottery pick and it works out for both teams. George Hill for Kawhi Leonard this past happened to work out really well for both teams.

So yeah, if the Mavs sign Deron and re-sign Kidd and West we would have a glut of combo guards. And if the Mavs see a cant-miss Kawhi Leonard type at around
pick 9 or 10 and have a willing trade partner that has a need and loves Roddy, then yes i could see the Mavs pulling the trigger on a deal like that. Alot of things have to happen for that trade to come off though.

clutch#41 · 06-12-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Thats ALOT to give up for the 10th pick. I wouldnt give Roddy straight up for the 10th pick.

roddy for the 10th pick? i would do it in a heartbeat. i was one of roddybs biggest supporters at one point. but i think we've seen his peak, the inconsistent play, the foot injuries. is he a pg or sg?how many mins did he play in the playoffs like 8 mins? free roddy b and i hope its elsewhere. 2 picks in the top 17 of a deep draft. i can dig it!

mavs777 · 05-19-2012, 12:42 AM

aldridge having ross as a borderline first rounder and behind the likes of waiters (who can't shoot and is undersized) and jenkins (who can only shoot) is pretty funny imo.

mac222b · 05-24-2012, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

aldridge having ross as a borderline first rounder and behind the likes of waiters (who can't shoot and is undersized) and jenkins (who can only shoot) is pretty funny imo.

Waiters can shoot and actually has NBA range. I'd be thrilled if
we got him at 17.

Underdog · 05-19-2012, 09:15 AM

Pacers reminding me just how good the #17 pick can be - both Granger and Hibbert were drafted 17th overall...

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2012, 01:02 PM

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Pacers reminding me just how good the #17 pick can be - both Granger and Hibbert were drafted 17th overall...

And Shumpert last draft has turned out to be a pretty decent player. Definitely shouldn't waste it unless they want to trade up.

BGMaverick9 · 05-23-2012, 03:14 PM

Arnett Moultrie was in town this week for a workout

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...Moultrie-5754/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/arnett-moultrie
http://www.nba.com/news/features/dav...rds/index.html

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-23-2012, 03:37 PM

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Arnett Moultrie was in town this week for a workout

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...Moultrie-5754/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/arnett-moultrie
http://www.nba.com/news/features/dav...rds/index.html

That's kinda exciting. He'd be a good pick. I hope they also work out Leonard and Ross.

sike · 05-24-2012, 09:21 AM

WWSAD?

Bayliss · 05-24-2012, 05:36 PM

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WWSAD?

Tank a year and grab the first pick and draft the best PF ever? While still having a Top 10-Top 15 center on their roster as well?

spreedom · 05-25-2012, 06:57 PM

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Tank a year and grab the first pick and draft the best PF ever? While still having a Top 10-Top 15 center on their roster as well?

Keep in mind that Duncan is also the only player on the roster that they drafted higher than #15 overall.

The Spurs' on-court personnel might be a pack of douchey crybabies, but every organization could learn a thing or two from the Spurs' front office.

clutch#41 · 05-24-2012, 09:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQR4UJK7Hn8

he reminds me of KG.

mavs777 · 05-25-2012, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch#41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQR4UJK7Hn8

he reminds me of KG.

His demeanor and effort is the exact opposite of KG.

OneLove22 · 05-31-2012, 03:39 AM

Right now I'm reading Mocks that have us taking Dion Waiters at #17.

Wouldn't that be real nice.