OFFICIAL GDT - COWBOYS vs GIANTS!!!

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by dirno2000

We'll have to disagree there. Milking the clock in the 4th, by all means get the first down. As far as I'm concerned that was an acceptable risk in the 3rd quarter of a 7-3 game around mid field. It wasn't even 3rd down.

The upside is that you break a big one and take control of the game. If it doesn't work you're looking at a 3rd and short in good punting position.

Totally agree.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by dirno2000

The upside is that you break a big one and take control of the game. If it doesn't work you're looking at a 3rd and short in good punting position.

And the downside is exactly what happened. Instead of a first down and being able to extend the drive, you end up punting, giving the other team all sorts of momentum when you could have easily held onto the ball for a lot longer. Good NFL teams only still only convert about 65-70% or so of their 3rd downs on 3rd and short, so it's not like punting is some rare occurrence in that situation.

When you compare that percentage with the chance that he breaks a big play -- maybe 5%, given that he had 3 defenders within 3 yards of him, including one in front of him, and he didn't have any forward momentum, I think the rational choice is clearly to get the first down.

This is all a moot point from my perspective, since it definitely look to me like he was avoiding contact, but I'm just operating under the assumption that you're correct and that wasn't what he was doing.

[Murphy3]

It wasn't the right move by TO. Yes, he was trying to break the play, but he should have made sure that he got the first down. I understand what he was doing.. but, that doesn't mean that it's the right move.

[dirno2000]

but I'm just operating under the assumption that you're correct and that wasn't what he was doing.

That's always a good assumption to operate under

[alexamenos]

just rummaging through some stats....the boys have 52 odd sacks on the season--it took 9 games to get to 26, with 26 more coming in the last 5 games.

maybe it's the competition they've played, but it looks to me like this unit is getting even better.

[mavspwnage]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Christmas wish: I want Tony Romo to connect with Roy Williams for at least ONE touchdown before the regular season ends (anyone notice that he tends to toss it out of bounds or over-throw Roy by about 10 yards every time he's wide open???)

well Romo does have one TD pass to RW this season.

[alexamenos]

brad johnson has one td pass to the good roy williams, romo has none.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

just rummaging through some stats....the boys have 52 odd sacks on the season--it took 9 games to get to 26, with 26 more coming in the last 5 games.

maybe it's the competition they've played, but it looks to me like this unit is getting even better.

I chalk it up to: 1) Newman's return, which immensely improves our coverage and makes the QB hesitant, and 2) Wade taking over playcalling.

[horse900703]

We won!!!

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by horse900703

We won!!!

I approve this message...

[mavspwnage]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

brad johnson has one td pass to the good roy williams, romo has none.

oh crap, I forgot it was BJ that threw it to him. Thanks for the correction!

[LonghornDub]

We need to unleash the freak that is Roy Williams. The guy is an absolute beast when he's given the right opportunities.

[alby]

Roy has great hands.

[DirkFTW]

[ty]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I chalk it up to: 1) Newman's return, which immensely improves our coverage and makes the QB hesitant, and 2) Wade taking over playcalling.

Speaking of Newman and returns...

I wish he'd return punts now that Pac is out.

I know, I know...Crayton is solid in both catching the ball and picking up 5-10 yards, but I'm all about the BIG PLAY.

[92bDad]

Originally Posted by ty

Speaking of Newman and returns...

I wish he'd return punts now that Pac is out.

I know, I know...Crayton is solid in both catching the ball and picking up 5-10 yards, but I'm all about the BIG PLAY.

As great of a thought that is...I'ld rather T-New do ONE thing adn ONE thing only...PLAY CB!!!

Perhaps this is a a fear thought, but I would hate to see T-New get hurt (Hammy, Groin, Back...anthing) while returning punts.

I am also about the big play, but if T-New gets hurt playing Punt Returner, then we are going to see a lot of big plays, and they are not the kind that I want to see!!!

[FINtastic]

Originally Posted by 92bDad

As great of a thought that is...I'ld rather T-New do ONE thing adn ONE thing only...PLAY CB!!!

Perhaps this is a a fear thought, but I would hate to see T-New get hurt (Hammy, Groin, Back...anthing) while returning punts.

I am also about the big play, but if T-New gets hurt playing Punt Returner, then we are going to see a lot of big plays, and they are not the kind that I want to see!!!

Agreed, given how vital we have seen T-New is for the defense, let's not increase his chances for injuries by having him do anything but play defense. Crayton isn't a big play guy, but he's solid, doesn't make mistakes, and gets a decent chunk of yardage each and every time. I'm fine with with him back there.

Plus, it's not like Newman has torn it up on punt returns in the NFL anyways so I'm not sure if he is much of an improvement over Crayton in the first place.

[DirkFTW]

And they buy hats together!

[ty]

Originally Posted by FINtastic

Agreed, given how vital we have seen T-New is for the defense, let's not increase his chances for injuries by having him do anything but play defense. Crayton isn't a big play guy, but he's solid, doesn't make mistakes, and gets a decent chunk of yardage each and every time. I'm fine with with him back there.

Plus, it's not like Newman has torn it up on punt returns in the NFL anyways so I'm not sure if he is much of an improvement over Crayton in the first place.

Anybody against Pacman being back there when he comes back?

Once again, I say this only because of the big play potential.

I know he has been sucking it up in yards after...but it's all worth it to me if he can bring atleast one back home.

[Murphy3]

Right now, I'd stick with Crayton.

[mkat]

Originally Posted by ty

Anybody against Pacman being back there when he comes back?

Once again, I say this only because of the big play potential.

I know he has been sucking it up in yards after...but it's all worth it to me if he can bring atleast one back home.

i'd be glad if he could average 10 yards...

[Murphy3]

Pacman also laid the ball on the ground a couple of times...

[Windmill360]

Cowboy fan blasts werder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xSS...layer_embedded

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by ty

Anybody against Pacman being back there when he comes back?

Once again, I say this only because of the big play potential.

I know he has been sucking it up in yards after...but it's all worth it to me if he can bring atleast one back home.

I just feel Pac-Man is that one block away from breaking one. I see why he's back there. If you went by stats you would think he should've been replaced by now. But if you watch him you can tell he he's a gifted athlete. I thought i'd see him do better at kick return and it was pretty much the same lol. I'd still like to give him a go with more space to go to work though.

[ty]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I just feel Pac-Man is that one block away from breaking one. I see why he's back there. If you went by stats you would think he should've been replaced by now. But if you watch him you can tell he he's a gifted athlete. I thought i'd see him do better at kick return and it was pretty much the same lol. I'd still like to give him a go with more space to go to work though.

Yah, I don't think it's been Pacman at all. I think the blocking has been horrible.

So he might actually be a few blocks away from breaking the big one =[

[alby]

Put Romo back there.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Windmill360°

Cowboy fan blasts werder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xSS...layer_embedded

Did you watch the other ones?? Geez...

[FINtastic]

Teams are gunning for Pac-Man and the league won't do a thing to protect him. I'd rather not put him there where teams are going to be taking easy shots at the guy

Plus he's a bit of a moron on punt returns.

I'd rather just stick Crayton back there. Maybe put Pac-Man back there in special situations where you need a really big play.

[Dirkgreatness]

T.O. talks with Stephen A. Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5H1oyIDGSM

[LonghornDub]

So, is Pacman officially out for the season, or is there some chance of him coming back this year?

[FINtastic]

The last I heard was that he got a second opinion saying that he needed some rest, but he could be back by the Philadelphia game. Nothing certain, but it is possible.

It's certainly not a career-ender though.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by FINtastic

The last I heard was that he got a second opinion saying that he needed some rest, but he could be back by the Philadelphia game. Nothing certain, but it is possible.

It's certainly not a career-ender though.

Well that's good news, then.

[Silk Smoov]

Originally Posted by Dirkgreatness

T.O. talks with Stephen A. Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5H1oyIDGSM

Patrick Crayton talked about this on the radio as well on Friday. Ed took bits and pieces of stories and made big stories of the whole situation, knowing that a story like this that involves T.O. would bring this story to the top of the sports media. Now, watch a story will come out that Romo and Whitten were not invited to T.O. party. The media wants to bury T.O. at the expense of the Cowboys.

[DirkFTW]

With a little help, a win could put Dallas Cowboys in playoffs

Yes they can!

Dallas can clinch a playoff berth this weekend.

The Cowboys (9-5) are in a battle with several teams, mainly Atlanta (9-5), Tampa Bay (9-5) and Philadelphia (8-5-1) for two wild-card spots with two weeks left in the season.

According to the NFL’s math, the Cowboys can clinch a playoff spot this weekend. Here’s how:

A Dallas win over Baltimore, plus a Philadelphia loss or tie at Washington, plus a Chicago loss or tie against Green Bay on Monday night, plus an Atlanta loss at Minnesota.

A Dallas win plus a Philadelphia loss or tie, plus a Chicago loss or tie, plus a Tampa Bay loss against San Diego.

A Dallas win, plus a Chicago loss or tie, plus a Tampa Bay loss, plus an Atlanta loss.

A Dallas win, plus a Philadelphia loss or tie plus an Atlanta loss plus Dallas strength of victory (winning percentage of teams they’ve beaten) tiebreaker over Chicago.

After party plans

The Cowboys will have a postgame ceremony Saturday to commemorate the final NFL regular-season game at Texas Stadium.

Nearly 100 former players and coaches (minimum of five years of service to the Cowboys at Texas Stadium) will be introduced and make a final walk across the midfield star.

Irvin’s Toys for Tots

Hall of Famer and former Dallas Cowboys great Michael Irvin will host a Toys for Tots Christmas Concert on Monday at the House of Blues in Dallas.

Red Carpet arrivals will be from 6-6:45 p.m. The concert begins at 7:30 p.m.

Among the entertainment will be hip-hop artists Vanilla Ice and Juan Gotti, plus the group Free Reign, which includes some Dallas players.

Tickets are $35 general admission (balcony) and $45 VIP floor seating.

Roster moves

The Cowboys released cornerback Vickiel Vaughn from their practice squad Tuesday.

Link

[92bDad]

Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Patrick Crayton talked about this on the radio as well on Friday. Ed took bits and pieces of stories and made big stories of the whole situation, knowing that a story like this that involves T.O. would bring this story to the top of the sports media. Now, watch a story will come out that Romo and Whitten were not invited to T.O. party. The media wants to bury T.O. at the expense of the Cowboys.

Silk...you da man!!!

I have been on another Cowboys board and I am a HUGE supporter of Terrell Owens!!!

I have been getting blasted by other Cowboy fans and I find it rather amusing, boardering on insanity.

You may disagree with me on my next point, but this media stuff is the same tactics that are used in politics. The media has done a great Smear campaign against our current President, just as they are doing against T.O.

That's all I'm staying on politics on this thread...

T.O. is correct in that he is a Villan on ESPN and they will do everything possible to feed this perception. To me T.O. is a great NFL and Dallas Cowboys player. I still go back and look at T.O.'s Blotter record...the guys does NOT break the law. The guy gives you everythign he's got on the field and he is loved by everyone on the team.

I hear stuff from local hack Dale Hanson...he states that if you don't like what is being said, change the station...the problem is that the media are being sheepish and they are ALL reporting negative crap about T.O.

I stated on another board that if someone doesn't write 100% truth, then it is a LIE. Yes 90% truth is still 10% lie and thus a LIE!!!

The reports last week were sensationalism rather than reporting.

Once someone or something is being attacked by the media, there is very little that can be done.

The sad part is seeing how many fans bought into the media and essentially helped to give credence to the media. It's almost as if we have a bunch of sheep and very few fans who can think indepedently in regards to hot topic issues or personalities, such as Terrell Owens.

I'm proud to be an Owens fan and I am even more proud that he is a Leader on this Cowboys organization!!!

I don't know about the rest of you...but I've got my popcorn ready for Saturday night!!!

[Murphy3]

I don't believe anything that comes out of TO's mouth... I don't believe much that comes out of Crayton's mouth. I'm alot more likely to believe Ed Werder than I am either of those two clowns.

[ty]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

I don't believe anything that comes out of TO's mouth... I don't believe much that comes out of Crayton's mouth. I'm alot more likely to believe Ed Werder than I am either of those two clowns.

Why's that?

[92bDad]

The Media and numerous fans hate T.O. yet they don't even know the guy.

Has he contributed to some ill well towards himself, yes, and he even admits it.

Has he changed and continues to try to do things differently...without a doubt.

In the past T.O. would have whinned to the Media...this time, he simply had a conversation with players and coaches.

Then the media turns it into a story of turmoil at Valley Ranch.

Had the Media NOT reported this story, would any of us know of any turmoil? Would any player or member of the Dallas Cowboys organization voice any discontent?

Is anyone in the Cowboys saying anything about T.O.?

This has turned into the biggest NON-story of the 3 years that T.O. has been...and believe me there have been a TON of NON-stories when it comes to T.O. and the Cowboys.

No matter what the Cowboys and T.O. do, everyone has an opinion...but hey, last I heard, Opinions are like A. Holes, everyone has one and they rarely smell sweet.

For some reason, the media and people like to hate...they are now hating on T.O. and from this fan, it drives me a bit crazy...and lord knows, I aint got too much further to go before I'm on the deep end.

T.O. is not OJ, T.O. has not killed anyone, T.O. has not done Dope, T.O. has not gone out and drove while under the influece, T.O. has not SHOT Himself in the leg...the list goes on and on...

What T.O. has done is simply called attention to the SAME thing that Saited Ex-Cowboy Troy Aikman noticed in the Cowboy-Pittsburg game. Yes, it was Troy who in the broadcast made a comment about how the Cowboys appear to be targeting Witten a bit too much. But since T.O. decided to communicate with players and coaches (IN-House) and tried to handle things IN-House...he is to be vilified.

Give me a break...people simply want T.O. to fail and the fact tha the is succeeding is driving them nuts.

Dare I say, it's the same thing that politically the liberals do with Republicans...and let me be so bold that Republicans and lining up to do with Obama.

If they don't like someone, they are looking for reasons to say "See I told you so"

Well if nothing else, this crap I see happening to T.O. makes me realize that I need to back off and give our future President the benefit of the doubt...oooops wrong thread...

I trust T.O., Crayton and the rest of the Cowboy organization...I seriously do NOT trust the media and these mysterious sources!!!

[u2sarajevo]

g.r.f.o.s.

[Underdog]

2 of 9, anyway...

Schein's Nine: Cowboys could be last year's Giants



1. Dallas = New York

The Dallas Cowboys could be the Giants from a year ago.

That's right.

The Cowboys, assuming they are done fighting amongst each other, can still go to the Super Bowl because of their defense and star power on offense.

That is, of course, if they make the playoffs.

Dallas' defense is finally clicking. DeMarcus Ware had three of the eight sacks against Eli Manning on Sunday night. Fellow linebackers Greg Ellis, Bradie James and Zach Thomas have been playing great ball. Terrence Newman is back and playing at a Pro Bowl level. Jay Ratliff is the most underrated defensive tackle in the game.

And then there's Wade Phillips, the beaten-down head coach. Cue the Mike Holmgren rumors. Or the Bill Cowher rumors. Jason Garrett, anyone?

But did you think Phillips was distracted by the nonsense this week?

Ellis tells us about a genius coaching move Phillips made for the Giants game.

"DeMarcus and I switched sides for most of the game. We didn't do that any this year. In the playoffs last year, I still remember when the Giants drove down at the end of the first half. I could've kicked myself in the butt. DeMarcus is much better on the left side based upon what kind of rusher he is, plus factoring in the Giants lineman he's facing. I'm better on the right side. When we got the opportunity to make the switch, we embraced it. It made such a difference in getting to the quarterback."

Stop the presses — Phillips actually coaches the team!

The next two games, against the Ravens on Saturday night and in Philly to end the season, aren't easy. But I think Dallas' defense is ready.


2. Dallas drama

I made the point on Sirius NFL Radio last Friday that the T.O.-Romo-Witten drama was overblown. Not that there wasn't a problem, perhaps. But I thought it would have no impact on the actual Cowboys versus Giants game. There was no way to argue the Cowboys defense would be impacted at all.

Ellis totally agreed with that assessment and then explained in his mind what happened last week and how Wade Phillips went out of his way to make sure the 'controversy' didn't effect the defense.

"Wade addressed that," Ellis said. "He had some concern that it was going on at a high level with T.O. supposed to do this and Witten wanting this and Romo thinking this. But I am here to tell you it was never that way. The media is doing its job. Their job is to report. And sometimes it is without all the facts. That's fine. We put it all on the back burner. Everything the media writes about isn't 100 percent accurate. I understand the job to make it hot and juicy to gain attention of the readers. But in this case they over- exaggerated what was going on. What was going on is everyone comes from a different background, the way T.O. talks versus Witten versus Romo versus a Greg Ellis. How we address each other can be misinterpreted."