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Soon... Dirk will have them all breathing through their eyes! Watch all of their percentages flourish!
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03-07-2022, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane
Soon... Dirk will have them all breathing through their eyes! Watch all of their percentages flourish!
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Dinwiddie - 41%
Powell - 39%
Brunson - 39%
DFS - 38.4%
Kleber - 36%
Bullock - 36%
Green - 35%
Bertans - 34%
Frank - 34%
S. Brown - 34%
THJ - 34%
Boban - 33%
Chriss - 33%
Luka - 33%
Burke - 33%
You weren't wrong. Mavs have been on a tear
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03-08-2022, 10:55 AM
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Dinwiddie - 41%
Powell - 39%
Brunson - 39%
DFS - 38.4%
Kleber - 36%
Bullock - 36%
Green - 35%
Bertans - 34%
Frank - 34%
S. Brown - 34%
THJ - 34%
Boban - 33%
Chriss - 33%
Luka - 33%
Burke - 33%
You weren't wrong. Mavs have been on a tear
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Dinwiddie with another amazing night and is now up to 45% on threes
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03-08-2022, 11:54 AM
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Dinwiddie with another amazing night and is now up to 45% on threes
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Im just waiting for that number to come back down some. I hope it doesnt happen in the first round. I still expect him upper 30s near 40.
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03-08-2022, 12:05 PM
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Im just waiting for that number to come back down some. I hope it doesnt happen in the first round. I still expect him upper 30s near 40.
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Doesn't really matter as much though because of our three point shooters and the fact that he drives the ball relentlessly. I believe I saw a stat on twitter that showed we are number 1 in drives since the trade.
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08-17-2021, 01:07 PM
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Also I don't get where you found your numbers. According to NBA.com it's as follows:
Brunson 43.6%
Kleber 42.1%
THJ 40.9%
DFS 39.5%
Porzingis 38.2%
Burke 34.8%
Doncic 34.1%
Melli 32.6%
Richardson 32.3%
Redick 29.2%
Hinton 28.6%
Johnson 28.0%
Powell 20.0%
Green 17.4%
Boban 14.3%
Iwundu 14.3%
WCS 9.1%
Bey 0.0%
Terry 0.0%
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10-31-2021, 05:51 PM
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3pt shooting this year - last year difference
Omoruyi 50.0% (N/A) N/A
Kleber 45.5% (41.0%) -4.5%
Burke 40.0% (35.4%) +4.6%
Brunson 40.0% (40.5%) -0.5%
THJ 39.4% (39.4%) +0.0%
Bullock 33.3% (41.0%) -7.7%
Franky 30.0% (47.9%) -17.9%
Doncic 25.7% (35.0%) -9.3%
Powell 25.0% (23.8%) +1.2%
Porzingis 23.5% (37.6%) -14.1%
DFS 19.2% (39.4%) -20.2%
S. Brown 11.1% (42.3%) -31.2%
We got a hell of a lot of good shooters. We're just not shooting for @#$%.Brunson and THJ are the only players who are really shooting as well as last year.
I guess the good news is that if Kidd ever gets the offense going and those guys get back to last year's number, this offense is going to be strong. Could be just a funk.
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10-31-2021, 07:45 PM
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3pt shooting this year - last year difference
Omoruyi 50.0% (N/A) N/A
Kleber 45.5% (45.5%) +0.0%
Burke 40.0% (35.4%) +4.6%
Brunson 40.0% (40.5%) -0.5%
THJ 39.4% (39.4%) +0.0%
Bullock 33.3% (41.0%) -7.7%
Franky 30.0% (47.9%) -17.9%
Doncic 25.7% (35.0%) -9.3%
Powell 25.0% (23.8%) +1.2%
Porzingis 23.5% (37.6%) -14.1%
DFS 19.2% (39.4%) -20.2%
S. Brown 11.1% (42.3%) -31.2%
We got a hell of a lot of good shooters. We're just not shooting for @#$%.Brunson and THJ are the only players who are really shooting as well as last year.
I guess the good news is that if Kidd ever gets the offense going and those guys get back to last year's number, this offense is going to be strong. Could be just a funk.
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This isn't updated after today's game Maxi and DP hit 3s. Powells 3% is going to sky rocket after today.
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11-23-2021, 09:11 AM
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11-23-2021, 01:49 PM
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Where does this sit now?
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Basketball reference.com
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11-29-2021, 11:42 PM
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Sorted by 3pt %
Burke 43.8% (35.4%) +8.4%
Kleber 41.2% (41.0%) +0.2%
Powell 40.0% (23.8%) +16.2%
Ntilikina 35.9% (47.9%) -12.0%
THJ 34.1% (39.1%) -5.0%
DFS 34.1% (39.4%) -5.3%
Brunson 33.9% (40.5%) -6.6%
KP 32.9% (37.6%) -4.7%
Luka 31.5% (35.0%) -3.5%
Bullock 28.4% (41.0%) -12.6%
Brown 27.3% (42.3%) -15.0%
Sorted by net change from last year
IMPROVED
Powell 40.0% (23.8%) +16.2%
Burke 43.8% (35.4%) +8.4%
Kleber 41.2% (41.0%) +0.2%
DECLINED
Luka 31.5% (35.0%) -3.5%
KP 32.9% (37.6%) -4.7%
THJ 34.1% (39.1%) -5.0%
DFS 34.1% (39.4%) -5.3%
Brunson 33.9% (40.5%) -6.6%
Ntilikina 35.9% (47.9%) -12.0%
Bullock 28.4% (41.0%) -12.6%
Brown 27.3% (42.3%) -15.0%
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11-30-2021, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
DECLINED
Luka 31.5% (35.0%) -3.5%
KP 32.9% (37.6%) -4.7%
THJ 34.1% (39.1%) -5.0%
DFS 34.1% (39.4%) -5.3%
Brunson 33.9% (40.5%) -6.6%
Ntilikina 35.9% (47.9%) -12.0%
Bullock 28.4% (41.0%) -12.6%
Brown 27.3% (42.3%) -15.0%
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This just about sums it up. That's such a huge regression from an entire team it almost doesn't seem possible. How can a professional basketball team be so bad at shooting wide open 3s?
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11-30-2021, 07:20 PM
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This just about sums it up. That's such a huge regression from an entire team it almost doesn't seem possible. How can a professional basketball team be so bad at shooting wide open 3s?
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New basketball is my guess. Plus, many of them suck.
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11-30-2021, 11:36 AM
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Brown and Bullock have been absolutely disappointing. Maxi super solid, should be starting but hey...
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11-30-2021, 11:42 AM
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Meanwhile the Kings were practically trying to give away a guy like Buddy Hield and I'm sure the Mavs probably felt like he couldn't help because they already had great shooters who spread the floor LOL
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11-30-2021, 02:38 PM
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Meanwhile the Kings were practically trying to give away a guy like Buddy Hield and I'm sure the Mavs probably felt like he couldn't help because they already had great shooters who spread the floor LOL
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This is where the complaining is overextended. I'm not sure Hield is any better than THJ.
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11-30-2021, 02:44 PM
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This is where the complaining is overextended. I'm not sure Hield is any better than THJ.
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I think Hield is pretty easily better than THJ. The latter has the insane ability to completely disappear for a game. I don't see that in Hield, who is a better shooter and possibly a better defender, certainly a tick better rebounding.
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11-30-2021, 03:18 PM
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I think Hield is pretty easily better than THJ. The latter has the insane ability to completely disappear for a game. I don't see that in Hield, who is a better shooter and possibly a better defender, certainly a tick better rebounding.
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Maybe, but I don't think it's enough on it's own.
Now, a package of Bagley/Hield is something to look at.
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11-30-2021, 03:31 PM
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Maybe, but I don't think it's enough on it's own.
Now, a package of Bagley/Hield is something to look at.
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Someone mentioned Tristan Thompson before. A Hield/Thompson trade could help on two fronts. Hield is very similar to THJ though. Just a better shooter, would probably look great getting feeds from Luka and would space the floor.
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11-30-2021, 05:20 PM
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This is where the complaining is overextended. I'm not sure Hield is any better than THJ.
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Buddy Hield can actually create his own shot for starters.
He's not just a Catch and shoot player like THJ.
Don't let the numbers fool you in Sacramento. He's a better overall player than THJ and put him next to Luka he will kill it on open looks.
Just look up his 3-Pt % on open shots and it's not even close between him and THJ.
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11-30-2021, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas41
Buddy Hield can actually create his own shot for starters.
He's not just a Catch and shoot player like THJ.
Don't let the numbers fool you in Sacramento. He's a better overall player than THJ and put him next to Luka he will kill it on open looks.
Just look up his 3-Pt % on open shots and it's not even close between him and THJ.
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Spot on. We tend to fall in love with our own replacement level players. There some here that actually believe JB is a top half of the league point guard. We can be a delusional lot.
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12-03-2021, 12:55 PM
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Spot on. We tend to fall in love with our own replacement level players. There some here that actually believe JB is a top half of the league point guard. We can be a delusional lot.
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Not sure many, if any, are making that claim. He's definitely sniffing starting level PG for sure. His step forward is a breath of fresh air given our other younger pieces or lack thereof.
You might have been better off mentioning Powell or DFS, but not JB. Kid has been balling.
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12-04-2021, 09:51 PM
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Spot on. We tend to fall in love with our own replacement level players. There some here that actually believe JB is a top half of the league point guard. We can be a delusional lot.
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The consensus opinion around the league is that the Mavs will have to spend to retain him, because other teams are going to pay up.
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11-30-2021, 07:14 PM
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Meanwhile the Kings were practically trying to give away a guy like Buddy Hield and I'm sure the Mavs probably felt like he couldn't help because they already had great shooters who spread the floor LOL
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If they were practically trying to give him away why is he still there? I’d swap THJ for Hield in a heartbeat, but I doubt the Kings are interested in a straight swap. Doesn’t matter what the Mavs thought if they didn’t have a package the Kings are interest in. I think I mentioned it last season, but I’d love to know what the kings want for a Hield/Bagley package deal. I’m sure THJ new deal makes moving him harder with his play this season.
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11-30-2021, 06:06 PM
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What makes anyone think that getting better shooters will make us better here?
Brown was shooting 42% and Bullock was shooting 40%
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11-30-2021, 07:30 PM
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What makes anyone think that getting better shooters will make us better here?
Brown was shooting 42% and Bullock was shooting 40%
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So are you saying the Mavs are cursed....LOL
Any good shooter who comes here will continue to be a letdown
Hard to imagine that franchise once had two of the top 3 pointer shooters in todays game on the roster not too long ago in Curry and McDermott. Imagine those two guys right now next to Luka
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11-30-2021, 08:52 PM
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So are you saying the Mavs are cursed....LOL
Any good shooter who comes here will continue to be a letdown
Hard to imagine that franchise once had two of the top 3 pointer shooters in todays game on the roster not too long ago in Curry and McDermott. Imagine those two guys right now next to Luka
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Curry is shooting 34% from three for the month of November. This la la land Mavs fans have built up in their minds about him isn't reality. I'd rather have him over THJ because he can handle the ball, but it's hilarious what people think versus what he actually is.
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We need trades but Buddy Hield ain't it for me. I'm out on "shooters". They can never shoot when it matters and if they by some miracle are hitting shots when it matters, they're giving up just as much on defense. Get me some guys who can fn play basketball.
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12-01-2021, 10:07 PM
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Bullock 2-3 tonight is a good way to start the month!
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12-02-2021, 03:21 PM
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Bullock in November 25.0% from three
Bullock in December 66.7% from three
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12-03-2021, 02:30 PM
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I have no problem at all saying that JB is a starting level PG.
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I have no problem at all saying that JB is a starting level PG.
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Stats support that idea too
In PER, he’s ranked 14th among PGs. He’s balling out of his mind and beating half the starting PGs in production.
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12-04-2021, 07:36 PM
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Stats support that idea too
In PER, he’s ranked 14th among PGs. He’s balling out of his mind and beating half the starting PGs in production.
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Good deal. JB can save the season with his stellar play.
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12-11-2021, 02:51 AM
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This crap is getting ridiculous.
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12-13-2021, 10:04 AM
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This is not a good shooting team. Everyone plays with the same ball so let's get that excuse out of the way early. What the fuck happened to guys who normally can shoot it, supported by large sample sizes? There's hope of gravitating to the mean here, but they've shot themselves in such a hole to start the season.
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12-13-2021, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by saclare
This is not a good shooting team. Everyone plays with the same ball so let's get that excuse out of the way early. What the fuck happened to guys who normally can shoot it, supported by large sample sizes? There's hope of gravitating to the mean here, but they've shot themselves in such a hole to start the season.
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The guys the Mavs have been relying on for the past 3+ years are not NBA starting caliber players. Most are one trick ponies with limited skillsets. Also, they aren't as young as they used to be, so they are on the downhill side of their prime physical condition/skills. What we saw a couple of years ago was nothing more than a happy coincidence of several spare parts who shot at career high levels. Those happy days are behind them. None of those players will ever be as productive or efficient as they were then. That's reality. I'm talking about the non-Luka, KP, Brunson players like THJ, Maxi, Powell, DFS.
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The guys the Mavs have been relying on for the past 3+ years are not NBA starting caliber players. Most are one trick ponies with limited skillsets. Also, they aren't as young as they used to be, so they are on the downhill side of their prime physical condition/skills. What we saw a couple of years ago was nothing more than a happy coincidence of several spare parts who shot at career high levels. Those happy days are behind them. None of those players will ever be as productive or efficient as they were then. That's reality. I'm talking about the non-Luka, KP, Brunson players like THJ, Maxi, Powell, DFS.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I was just simply pointing out we have guys who have shown to be really good 3pt shooters over their careers and have just shit the bed here. It could def be a roster construction issue as you allude to, as perhaps these guys thrived in lesser roles and now we have an assortment of them.
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Cant be that hard to find another DFS. that was a steal.
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12-21-2021, 08:42 PM
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Cant be that hard to find another DFS. that was a steal.
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Yeah, I bet it’s pretty easy to find undrafted players and develop them into a starter on a playoff team. I wonder why all teams don’t do that?
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