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sike · 12-10-2006, 03:07 AM

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anyone else see Apolcalypto?? looking for insight.

Murphy3 · 12-10-2006, 09:29 AM

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Are you saying if I hated The Passion, I hate Jesus? Guess what ASS, I'm jewish.
It was brutal, guilt trip and nothing more, You want to fall into that Anti-Semite brainwashing thats your choice, but don't ever insult my religion that way again. Some people need films to tell them what to belive, I guess. But I didn't "Get closer to Jesus"
because of The Passion, and didn't vote for Kerry because of Fahrenheit 9/11. I don't let filmmakers tell me what to think and belive. And yes It was a snuff flick. You could have put Sadam Hussien in Jim Cavizel's role and people would have still been moved by it.
It was nothing more than 2 hors of Graphic Brutality. How about next time Gibson makes a movie about Jesus's life instead. Or better yet he can just spend all his money rounding people like me up and gassing us.

RMA, it's ok. You don't have to hang on to the guilt all alone. We're all guilty of putting Jesus on the cross. Just because it was those of the Jewish faith that did the hammering does not mean that Christians do not share the burden. Jesus died for our sins... that does not exclude Christians or Jews or even African Americans. We're all in this together even if the Jewish community is a bit slow in accepting the word of Jesus Christ.

rmacomic · 12-10-2006, 01:58 PM

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RMA, it's ok. You don't have to hang on to the guilt all alone. We're all guilty of putting Jesus on the cross. Just because it was those of the Jewish faith that did the hammering does not mean that Christians do not share the burden. Jesus died for our sins... that does not exclude Christians or Jews or even African Americans. We're all in this together even if the Jewish community is a bit slow in accepting the word of Jesus Christ.

Wow and I thought I was kneejerking.
What if I told you I don't belive Jesus really existed. That he is actually a metaphore for everyman. Are you going to tell me you have historical proof that he did live and the world is only 7 thousand years old, and that dinosaur bones are there to test our faith?
I'll admit I made a poor joke about The Passion, but you're starting to sound like the Spanish Inquisition. Some people like the Mav's cause they live in Dallas or are regional, some people like them because they're an exciting team, and some like them for the fact that Dirk is a big white German stickin' it to the black man...I think you've shown us which fan you are. Sad. Yeah I guess to some people hate is underrated. Have fun at the cross burnin'.

dude1394 · 12-10-2006, 02:12 PM

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Wow and I thought I was kneejerking.
What if I told you I don't belive Jesus really existed. That he is actually a metaphore for everyman. Are you going to tell me you have historical proof that he did live and the world is only 7 thousand years old, and that dinosaur bones are there to test our faith?
I'll admit I made a poor joke about The Passion, but you're starting to sound like the Spanish Inquisition. Some people like the Mav's cause they live in Dallas or are regional, some people like them because they're an exciting team, and some like them for the fact that Dirk is a big white German stickin' it to the black man...I think you've shown us which fan you are. Sad. Yeah I guess to some people hate is underrated. Have fun at the cross burnin'.

Funny...silly ...but funny.

Spanish inquisition? You really are over the top.

rmacomic · 12-10-2006, 02:20 PM

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Ummm i dont mean to quivel but its a historical fact that jesus was brutalized in those manners. Is Schindlers list anti German because it shows Germans killing jews? No its a movie about something that actually happened. Did I need the movie to tell me the story? No i didnt but I do think it did a good job of showing people just how violent the things that christ went through were.

Don't mean to qivel back, but what historical proof do you or anyone else for that matter actually have? I can understand the confsion so I'll clear it up. Speilberg is very much pro-Isralie, and that is a bias. Gibson is a racist who was caught on camera spouting hatespeach while being arrested, and that is ignorance. I saw The Passion, and thought was a bit anti-semetic, Gibsons later actions have proven him to be so. You have the right to belive what you want, but you guys are dening me mine. In fact you guy's have done so 3 times...I think I hear a rooster.

rmacomic · 12-10-2006, 02:23 PM

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Funny...silly ...but funny.

Spanish inquisition? You really are over the top.

You're right.
I'm getting way over the top.
Agreeing to disagree and am done with it.
Peace be with you.

Five-ofan · 12-10-2006, 03:09 PM

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Don't mean to qivel back, but what historical proof do you or anyone else for that matter actually have? I can understand the confsion so I'll clear it up. Speilberg is very much pro-Isralie, and that is a bias. Gibson is a racist who was caught on camera spouting hatespeach while being arrested, and that is ignorance. I saw The Passion, and thought was a bit anti-semetic, Gibsons later actions have proven him to be so. You have the right to belive what you want, but you guys are dening me mine. In fact you guy's have done so 3 times...I think I hear a rooster.

you have every right to believe what you want. As for the historical proof, there was a man named jesus that was brutalized in those manners. Thats accepted by a large majority of historians now whether you want to believe he is the messiah or not is up to you.

Five-ofan · 12-10-2006, 03:14 PM

BTW on Mel GIbson movies are we forgetting We Were Soldiers? Probably the best war movie Ive seen.

dude1394 · 12-10-2006, 03:18 PM

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BTW on Mel GIbson movies are we forgetting We Were Soldiers? Probably the best war movie Ive seen.

Very true, really under-rated.

Murphy3 · 12-10-2006, 03:23 PM

...was just talking about movies that he directed.

If you want to talk about great movies that he's been in...well, it's a pretty damn long list.

mary · 12-10-2006, 03:25 PM

He was good in "Chicken Run"

Murphy3 · 12-10-2006, 03:39 PM

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He was good in "Chicken Run"

You only liked "Chicken Run" because you got to see cock.

Five-ofan · 12-10-2006, 03:39 PM

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...was just talking about movies that he directed.

If you want to talk about great movies that he's been in...well, it's a pretty damn long list.

Ok thats fine because randall wallace directed we were soldiers i think i was just mentioning a movie that i associate with him that is pretty darn awesome.

rmacomic · 12-10-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

you have every right to believe what you want. As for the historical proof, there was a man named jesus that was brutalized in those manners. Thats accepted by a large majority of historians now whether you want to believe he is the messiah or not is up to you.

I'm done argueing the Mel Gibson thing. I will discuss Jesus with you.
If you belive in Jesus, do you also belive he was a miricale worker as well?
I've read the New Testament and find it is more beliveable if you apply logic than blind faith.
Example: The sermon on the mount. Two fish and Two loaves fed the multitudes.
Now some peolple think Jesus created magical never-ending fish, I personaly belive that (assuming he was real) Jesus's words so moved the multitude they were all willing to share what they brought. Thus was born the church potluck.

You can apply this logic to everything in the New Testament and it makes sense. Which leads me to belive that Jesus was a metaphore created by the men who wrote the N. Testament. Much like some historians belive the writer Homer wasn't actualy a man but a series of writers.

Murphy3 · 12-10-2006, 03:47 PM

Gibson has been in several really good movies:
Gallipoli
Mad Max movies
Most of the Lethal Weapons
The Bounty
Mrs Soffel wasn't bad
The River
Tequilla Sunrise
Man without a face
Braveheart
Maverick
Ransom
Payback
Chicken Run
What Women Want (i know...so sue me)
Signs
We were Soldiers
Apocalypto
The Passion....

Five-ofan · 12-10-2006, 03:57 PM

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I'm done argueing the Mel Gibson thing. I will discuss Jesus with you.
If you belive in Jesus, do you also belive he was a miricale worker as well?
I've read the New Testament and find it is more beliveable if you apply logic than blind faith.
Example: The sermon on the mount. Two fish and Two loaves fed the multitudes.
Now some peolple think Jesus created magical never-ending fish, I personaly belive that (assuming he was real) Jesus's words so moved the multitude they were all willing to share what they brought. Thus was born the church potluck.

You can apply this logic to everything in the New Testament and it makes sense. Which leads me to belive that Jesus was a metaphore created by the men who wrote the N. Testament. Much like some historians belive the writer Homer wasn't actualy a man but a series of writers.

That is your decision. You can believe what you want but I dont believe that the new testament is meant to be a metaphor(if you are jewish do you believe that the old testament is metaphorical?) I believe that the new testament is "God-Breathed" which means that while God didnt physically write the bible, God did inspire the people who wrote it to write exactly what he wanted them to write. I dont believe that God lies or exaggerates so I accept that what happened in the Bible actually did happen.

As for applying logic instead of faith, I am a very analytical person but I believe everything in the Bible on faith. Its called faith for a reason.

rmacomic · 12-10-2006, 04:17 PM

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As for applying logic instead of faith, I am a very analytical person but I believe everything in the Bible on faith. Its called faith for a reason.

Fair enough, but I'm your typical Kneejerking Mavs fan. I don't have much faith.

I'll see the "God Breathed" and raise you a "Man Changed to suit his needs"
There is great book Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why you might read. King Henry VIII requested that the Pope permit him to divorce his wife and marry his mistress. The Pope refused, and King Henry responded by killing his wife, marrying his mistress, and thumbing his nose at the Pope by renouncing Roman Catholicism, taking England out from under Rome’s religious control, and declaring himself as the reigning head of State to also be the new head of the Church. This new branch of the Christian Church, neither Roman Catholic nor truly Protestant, became known as the Anglican Church or the Church of England. King Henry acted essentially as its “Pope”. His first act was to further defy the wishes of Rome by funding the printing of the scriptures in English… the first legal English Bible… just for spite adding changes where he saw fit.

I am such a dick for hijacking this thread

Gibson was great in Tim. He played a mentaly handicapped man. Very beliveable.

Five-ofan · 12-10-2006, 04:58 PM

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Fair enough, but I'm your typical Kneejerking Mavs fan. I don't have much faith.

I'll see the "God Breathed" and raise you a "Man Changed to suit his needs"
There is great book Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why you might read. King Henry VIII requested that the Pope permit him to divorce his wife and marry his mistress. The Pope refused, and King Henry responded by killing his wife, marrying his mistress, and thumbing his nose at the Pope by renouncing Roman Catholicism, taking England out from under Rome’s religious control, and declaring himself as the reigning head of State to also be the new head of the Church. This new branch of the Christian Church, neither Roman Catholic nor truly Protestant, became known as the Anglican Church or the Church of England. King Henry acted essentially as its “Pope”. His first act was to further defy the wishes of Rome by funding the printing of the scriptures in English… the first legal English Bible… just for spite adding changes where he saw fit.

I am such a dick for hijacking this thread

Gibson was great in Tim. He played a mentaly handicapped man. Very beliveable.

I know the story of Henry VIII. A man for all seasons is a good book that includes that story as well though it isnt the primary focus.

rmacomic · 12-10-2006, 05:10 PM

As a convert, I can see where you're coming from.
Just didn't work for me, I personaly belive the more you question God the closer you are to knowing him. Gee, all this discusion from trying to dig my way out from a bad Passion joke. Also I liked the Mad Max movies.

Murphy3 · 12-10-2006, 05:25 PM

It's alright...I'm still waiting for someone to laugh at my joke concerning Mary's post.

Five-ofan · 12-10-2006, 05:45 PM

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It's alright...I'm still waiting for someone to laugh at my joke concerning Mary's post.

I laughed when i read it. I just didnt know what to say so i left it alone.

rmacomic · 12-10-2006, 05:49 PM

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I just didnt know what to say so i left it alone.

I may start following that line of thought.

Murphy3 · 12-10-2006, 06:55 PM

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I laughed when i read it. I just didnt know what to say so i left it alone.

I need positive feedback when I say something funny otherwise I'm just going to have to revert to my former sense of humor.... If everyone wants me to be 'dark' again, then keep it up.

Windmill360 · 12-10-2006, 07:01 PM

hahahah @ dark ^^^^

dude1394 · 12-10-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rmacomic

I'm done argueing the Mel Gibson thing. I will discuss Jesus with you.
If you belive in Jesus, do you also belive he was a miricale worker as well?
I've read the New Testament and find it is more beliveable if you apply logic than blind faith.
Example: The sermon on the mount. Two fish and Two loaves fed the multitudes.
Now some peolple think Jesus created magical never-ending fish, I personaly belive that (assuming he was real) Jesus's words so moved the multitude they were all willing to share what they brought. Thus was born the church potluck.

You can apply this logic to everything in the New Testament and it makes sense. Which leads me to belive that Jesus was a metaphore created by the men who wrote the N. Testament. Much like some historians belive the writer Homer wasn't actualy a man but a series of writers.

Don't discuss jesus, discuss god. So since you are jewish do you believe in god? If not what are you even doing discussing it and especially trying to discredit someone else's religion. Unless you are trying to bring folks over to satan.

dude1394 · 12-10-2006, 07:15 PM

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I need positive feedback when I say something funny otherwise I'm just going to have to revert to my former sense of humor.... If everyone wants me to be 'dark' again, then keep it up.

eeekk...HA HA HA HA... Funniest damn thing I've every heard.

Dirkadirkastan · 12-10-2006, 07:25 PM

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I need positive feedback when I say something funny otherwise I'm just going to have to revert to my former sense of humor.... If everyone wants me to be 'dark' again, then keep it up.

STACK, get your f'ing ass out of the game...

rmacomic · 12-10-2006, 07:34 PM

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Don't discuss jesus, discuss god. So since you are jewish do you believe in god? If not what are you even doing discussing it and especially trying to discredit someone else's religion. Unless you are trying to bring folks over to satan.

I've gotten myself out of that quagmire I'm not going back in.(at least not on this thread)
And satan sucks, these guys have it all figred out. http://www.xeper.org/

Also I was trying to discredit Gibson, everyone else turned into a religion thing.(damn, toe's in the swamp again)

mary · 12-10-2006, 08:05 PM

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It's alright...I'm still waiting for someone to laugh at my joke concerning Mary's post.

I give it a B-minus.

Usually Lurkin · 12-11-2006, 08:48 AM

Apocalypto was ok. I was expecting more clash of civilizations and less personal story. There was a lot of "Rambo in another culture" schtick, but it was done pretty well. It's probably cooler if you don't read the subtitles, and just watch the story happen.

Speaking of Rambo in another culture, saw a preview for a Pierce Brosnan, Liam Neeson western, "Seraphim Falls" that looks very cool.

And a sword and sandal flick about Sparta, "300" that looks cool, too. Does anyone know Frank Miller? It said it was based on Frank Miller graphic novels.

Five-ofan · 12-11-2006, 10:59 AM

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Apocalypto was ok. I was expecting more clash of civilizations and less personal story. There was a lot of "Rambo in another culture" schtick, but it was done pretty well. It's probably cooler if you don't read the subtitles, and just watch the story happen.

Speaking of Rambo in another culture, saw a preview for a Pierce Brosnan, Liam Neeson western, "Seraphim Falls" that looks very cool.

And a sword and sandal flick about Sparta, "300" that looks cool, too. Does anyone know Frank Miller? It said it was based on Frank Miller graphic novels.

frank miller rights alot of graphic novels. He wrote the novels that league of extraordinary gentleman and several other movies I believe including sin city were based on. (i thought sin city was vastly overrated though)

speaking of rambo, they are making rambo 4, pearl of the cobra, that is coming out in 08. Hey you knew with a new rocky there was probably gonna be a new Rambo right?

Murphy3 · 12-11-2006, 11:12 AM

300 looks amazing

dude1394 · 12-13-2006, 08:54 AM

300 does look amazing.

Saw Apocalypto last night. Pretty much give it no more than a "B". The chase scene in the jungle was pretty good but in general I'm not a big fan of one long continuous chase scene. I would have liked to have had more breaks in it for more stategery.

The scene at the Mayan temple was pretty horrific. I would imagine the slaughter at the top was on the mark, but I'm not sure about the decadence below it.

Good but not great, braveheart is head and shoulders above it.

There was a lot of blood but nowhere near the "orgy of violence" that some reviewers have noted, certainly no more than a typical slasher film at all.

Murphy3 · 12-13-2006, 09:18 AM

No, it wasn't nearly as violent as it was made out to be. And a 'B' is about right... Which in a down year for movies, it means it's among the better movies of the year.

dude1394 · 12-13-2006, 11:39 AM

This is an interesting take on what mel was attempting to do. I think this is one of the reasons it seemed "off" to me.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/B...ptic_stupidity

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According to Mel Gibson, his new movie, "Apocalypto," is a metaphor for the death of American civilization. "The precursors to a civilization that's going under are the same, time and time again," Gibson explained at a film festival in Texas. "What's human sacrifice if not sending guys off to Iraq for no reason?"

Gibson's comparison between Mayan and American civilization is deeply offensive. To elucidate just how offensive the comparison is, I must review the film's portrayal of Mayan society. (Warning: There are spoilers. If you are intent on seeing this movie, read no further.)

In this promotional photo released by Icon Distribution, Inc., director Mel Gibson appears on the set of his epic drama "Apocalypto." (AP Photo/Icon Distribution, Andrew Cooper/SMPS)

"Apocalypto" portrays two societies within Mayan civilization. The first is a hunter-gatherer sort of Rousseau-ian society, wherein noble savages tell colorful stories, cherish their pregnant wives and play practical jokes involving eating raw tapir testicles. The second is the decadent Mayan city, where slave laborers covered in powder cough up blood as they pound rock; where throngs cheer wildly as power-mad priests engage in ritual human sacrifice, pulling still-beating hearts from chest cavities, beheading victims and tossing those heads down towering flights of stairs to a waiting crowd, which then sticks the heads on pikes; where the headless bodies are dumped in Holocaust-like mass graves, to rot in the sun.

The Mayan city society invades the Rousseau-ian hunter-gatherer society, brutally and graphically raping and murdering its way through village after village. Citizens of the hunter-gatherer society are kidnapped and used for ritual sacrifice, or for sport killing.

Gibson's point is this: Mayan civilization in decline had corrupted itself through brutality and barbarity. It sacrificed its own citizens on the altar of fear. The values that made Mayan civilization worth preserving -- the values embodied by the Rousseau-ian society -- were destroyed so that the fears of the population could be assuaged. In doing so, Mayan society made itself ripe for conquer by the Europeans.

Gibson likens Mayan civilization to American civilization. "We're all afraid," Gibson told Entertainment Weekly. "That's something I've been finding out more recently -- how racked by fear we are as a society." We are discarding our values, Gibson implies. We are engaging in Mayan barbarities in Iraq, sending our own citizens off to die on the altar of fear.

"Apocalypto" opens with a quotation from historian Will Durant: "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it destroys itself from within." Durant is correct -- but the film's exposition of Durant is utterly wrong. If American (and Western) civilization falls, it will not be because our fears drove us to "Mayan barbarities," but because, like Gibson, we failed to distinguish good from evil.

Not all civilizations are created equal: Some deserve to fall because they are deeply corrupt from the outset. Mayan civilization, with its human sacrifice and primitivism, was never a beacon of liberty. The Rousseau-ian values Gibson sees were not what distinguished Mayan civilization. The strength of Mayan civilization was based solely on its power -- it was doomed to fail from the moment it encountered a society more powerful militaristically and economically than itself.

Western civilization has values worth protecting -- liberty and equality of opportunity -- and those values give it strength. Those values make us stronger than our enemies, unlike the Mayans. Equating all civilizations, as Gibson does, is what undermines Western values. There is a world of difference between using violence out of superstition and using violence to both ensure domestic security and free others from the oppression of a death cult that ritually beheads its citizens or dumps them in mass graves. It is moral barbarism of the highest order to equate the two, as Gibson does.

Critics have rightly focused on the stunning violence of Gibson's "Apocalypto." The movie is certainly one of the most violent ever filmed -- Gibson's camera lingers lovingly over each wound. But it is the violence Gibson does to morality that should worry us. It is that violence that contributes to the internal destruction of Western civilization. If Western civilization is doomed to failure, it will not be despite Mel Gibson's best efforts, it will be because of them.

Five-ofan · 12-13-2006, 11:46 AM

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No, it wasn't nearly as violent as it was made out to be. And a 'B' is about right... Which in a down year for movies, it means it's among the better movies of the year.

eragon had better be better than a B or they really effed up a darn good book.

Dirkgreatness · 12-21-2006, 04:22 PM

I just saw this Movie yesterday and it was great. It kept me on the edge of my seat for like almost the whole movie, so go watch it!!!! now!

Just211 · 12-22-2006, 04:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2Fp7vJD4E

dude1394 · 01-09-2007, 07:48 PM

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eragon had better be better than a B or they really effed up a darn good book.

So has anyone seen this eragon movie? RottenTomatoes says it sucks.

Five-ofan · 01-09-2007, 08:12 PM

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So has anyone seen this eragon movie? RottenTomatoes says it sucks.

i meant to but then i talked to a friend who had seen it and had a similar opinion of the book that i do and she said it sucked. She also said the COMPLETELY altered the story which just pisses me off. I cant wait for the last book to come out(no clue when it is supposed to, heck it might even already be out) but im no longer interested in seeing the movie or at least not until it comes out on dvd.