NVE to Indiana and Dampier to Dallas

[akaarod03]

Ok...take this for whatever it's worth...this is from CBSSportsline...

"A Denver Post source says that Portland and Indiana have expressed an interest in Nick Van Exel, who is unhappy playing with Golden State. One rumor suggests that Portland would send Rasheed Wallace to Golden State for Van Exel and Erick Dampier. Van Exel has been suffering knee problems, which may affect his trade value. "

Two things to note: 1) This was written a few days ago...obviously Wallace is now in Atlanta. 2) Do you find it funny that a "Denver Post source" is reporting the rumor?

I can see why Indiana would be interested in NVE. They're probably a decent PG away from not only securing the Eastern conference but maybe a chance to win it all. You think NVE's knees would miraculously get better in Indiana?

Here's a trade proposal:

Dallas trades Antoine Walker and Travis Best

Dallas receives Erick Dampier, Austin Croshere, and Kenny Anderson

Golden State trades Nick Van Exel and Erick Dampier

Golden State receives Antoine Walker, Jonathan Bender, and Kenny Anderson

Indiana trades Austin Croshere, Jonathan Bender, and Kenny Anderson

Indiana receieves Nick Van Exel

Why Dallas does it? I think we all agree that Dampier could help immensely at the center position. Croshere is a nice player to come off the bench...although he's expensive. Anderson is a slight upgrade from Travis Best. This deal could work without involving Anderson to Dallas...but I just threw him in there.

Why Golden State does it? Finally gets rid of NVE. Dampier apparently will opt out of his contract at the end of the year. They get something for nothing. Can evaluate Walker...see if he's a fit...if not...they say goodbye to Walker and get 16 million in salary cap space at the end of next year. Bender is an engima. The kid is talented...but he's done absolutely nothing up to this point.

Why Indiana does it? See above. Yes there's injury questions to NVE...but is he really that hurt? I'm not sure. I think a change of scenery would do him good. Plus they unload Croshere's terrible contract.

[ddh33]

I thought Kenny Anderson was a better option than Best this summer - at least as far as offense was concerned. He can play the passing lanes well, too.

Croshere seems like a Nellie type player to me. But we have guys who do what he does - excpet they do it better.

Dampier has been very good this year. He would bring toughness, rebounding, and a physical presence. He would also be the team's fourth center.

In the process we lose our second best playmaker and wildcard player who probably gives us the best chance to beat the Western powers. We also lose a defensive minded guard who has one of the best +/- on the team.

Is it worth it?

As much as I want a quality center, I would probably pass.

[dalmations202]

Quote:
"In the process we lose our second best playmaker and wildcard player who probably gives us the best chance to beat the Western powers."

ddh;
I can agree with everything that you have written until the line above. While Walker is a good player, he is just as likely to have a TO or work on his mason degree from the 3 pt line, as to be a great playmaker. Fin, Nash, and Jamison are all more efficient scorers.

Walker has talent, but it is definately wildcard talent. It might make you or break you. This is a high risk stock that could give you something or nothing. Too high risk for reward in my opinion.

I am thinking that this team needs a steady hand to clog up the middle - if they are talking about winning it this year. I am not sold on Damp, Davis, Tag, or Big Z. Wallace/Ratliff no longer available. Who else is available?

The most glaring need of this team, imo, is to sure up the 5. Either by person or committee. To win it all this year, imo, we need another 5 to pair with Bradley.
Do you think we can win it all this year as presently constructed?
If not, who would you get?

[Poindexter Einstein]

DALM .... "he is just as likely to have a TO or work on his mason degree from the 3 pt line" ..great line. And Walker is very high risk, I am with you on risk/reward with him.

Problem is, besides Dampier (if offered), who else would be better, that might remotely be available? "I am not sold on Damp, Davis, Tag, or Big Z" ...I dont like Z at all, Davis is too old and used up. I dont see many feasible options, if we want to improve the 5, other than Dampier in a trade or Tag in the summer.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
DALM .... "he is just as likely to have a TO or work on his mason degree from the 3 pt line" ..great line. And Walker is very high risk, I am with you on risk/reward with him.

Problem is, besides Dampier (if offered), who else would be better, that might remotely be available? "I am not sold on Damp, Davis, Tag, or Big Z" ...I dont like Z at all, Davis is too old and used up. I dont see many feasible options, if we want to improve the 5, other than Dampier in a trade or Tag in the summer.

I would want both, not one. Damp would be fine for this year, but for next, it would still be your weakest postion. I would still sign Tag if I could, only for the beef. Damp, Bradley, TAG would be a nice three-headed monster. Put Fortson back to F where he belongs. If Tag doesn't want to sign, how about Camby. But that is in the off-season. I want to win this year. Does staying put give us the best chance? I don't think so, but I have been wrong before.

[ddh33]

You pretty much expressed my point, I think.

Unlike many, I don't hate Antoine Walker. I think he brings very unique set of skills to this team that come in very handy against the better teams in the league. At the same time, I think that he is not necessarily needed here, and at times, actually hurts this team. I would gladly move him for a center, but it would have to be the right kind of center or the right kind of deal. I don't want to pay that infamous "NBA center inflation" where to get a serviceable center, you have to give up an allstar type forward or guard. I guess I'm afraid that Dampier isn't a big enough upgrade for this team.

I do believe that this team needs a quality center. I just don't think anyone is available who would make that much difference. I thought that Rasheed gave us the best chance of winning a championship this season, even with his baggage. I think Portland was figuring out what I had been screaming for a while. Move Rasheed inside more and go with it.

Right now, I don't see anyone who puts us closer to a championship than we are right now. Out of the list you mentioned, Z would be my first choice, followed by Dampier, but I don't think either is an upgrade.

The best option, although it would hurt in the short term, is to look at young big guys who might develop into stars later - like Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, and such...Of course, those guys probably hurt us this season. Not to mention, they probablt aren't available. It seems to me that we are in a catch 22.

Just keep proposing deals, and I'll tell you which ones I would sign off on [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[dalmations202]

OK;
Do you do this then?

New York trades: SG Allan Houston (19.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 37.0 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 24.1 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -10.1 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +2.7 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Dallas receives: SG Allan Houston (19.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 41 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 52 games)
Change in team outlook: +10.1 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[Dirkenstien]

[quote]
Originally posted by: dalmations202
OK;
Do you do this then?

New York trades: SG Allan Houston (19.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 37.0 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 24.1 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -10.1 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +2.7 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Dallas receives: SG Allan Houston (19.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 41 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 52 games)
Change in team outlook: +10.1 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and -2.7 apg.


Thats very tempting for the simple fact that we get TAW's contract off of our hands...but all in all I wouldnt do it. I believe we would have a better chance of winning it all with that we have now than to shake things up again just to bring in a washed up used to be and another scorer wih a rediculous contract.

[Poindexter Einstein]

DDH ..."I do believe that this team needs a quality center. I just don't think anyone is available who would make that much difference."

In general I agree. But there comes a time when you have to suck it up and go. They have taken your approach for quite awhile, and the result is that they have the same problem over and over.

Kinda like the Rangers, and pitching. "We dont see any we like. They are too expensive. We cant get any." And so there goes yet another year down the dumper for lack of pitching, or lack of a serviceable C.

They have tried to ignore the problem, or tried to make other positions so good that lack of a C doesnt matter. It is getting time that they go for "best available big man" and be done. Yes it will cost them some talent, and the F they give will be more talented than the C they get. But you hafta trade your surplus for your needs, or else you get stuck with the same needs and never get out of the rut.

[Poindexter Einstein]

Re Mutombo, I wouldnt mind that trade except I dont think he has ANY ability left. You cant just get A CENTER, you need to get a good one or you havent solved the problem. Walker is your prime "trading chip" you have available to offer, and you better get the solution at C when you use it up.

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
DDH ..."I do believe that this team needs a quality center. I just don't think anyone is available who would make that much difference."

In general I agree. But there comes a time when you have to suck it up and go. They have taken your approach for quite awhile, and the result is that they have the same problem over and over.

Kinda like the Rangers, and pitching. "We dont see any we like. They are too expensive. We cant get any." And so there goes yet another year down the dumper for lack of pitching, or lack of a serviceable C.

They have tried to ignore the problem, or tried to make other positions so good that lack of a C doesnt matter. It is getting time that they go for "best available big man" and be done. Yes it will cost them some talent, and the F they give will be more talented than the C they get. But you hafta trade your surplus for your needs, or else you get stuck with the same needs and never get out of the rut.

I agree with this statement. Now who are you going to get with this "Chip" you are holding?

[Poindexter Einstein]

My first try would be a ADavis-Curry (or Chandler) combo from Chi. Davis has a really ghastly contract, and I surmise they might be willing to move Curry (or Chandler) if they could get free of Davis in the process.

My second option would be Dampier. Me personally, I am not sure just how good he is, only know his numbers this year look good. If Mavs scouts think he is for real, the Dampier-Robinson package someone on here tossed out would appeal to me. In a sense, I am thinking that Dampier might be the closest thing to a good choice thats going to be out there, unless they can work something with the Bulls.

Z would be worthless here - just one more player who doesnt play D, and he is slowwwwwwwwwwww (he makes bradley look like Bob Hayes by comparison!) and extremely immobile. Same with Mutombo. DDavis is old and not so hot. Woulda liked a package for Ratliff perhaps, but that of course is not doable now.

So other than those (Chi, or Dampier), I probably keep my chip for now, and just wait til the summer and try to get 'Tag for "free" with the MLE.

[TheBaron]

Is Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Dampier trades all akaarod does?

[Poindexter Einstein]

"Is Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Dampier trades all akaarod does? "

LOL ...thats funny to note.

I have no clue, I dont really pay attention to who tends to bring up what proposal each time.

But before i even think about critcizing a person for having one particular trade they like, I hafta admit that I am the same way. I have one or two that I think make sense, and when I am asked for my opinion, those same ones become the answer with regularity. (Before you ask: my current favorite is ADavis-Curry ...for Walker-Delk [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] ) Maybe we are all like that, trotting out our favorite pet ideas from time to time, doncha think?

[dalmations202]

How about this one then:

Philadelphia trades: SF Glenn Robinson (17.6 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.5 apg in 33.5 minutes)
SG Greg Buckner (3.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.8 apg in 13.3 minutes)
C Samuel Dalembert (7.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 0.2 apg in 23.7 minutes)
Philadelphia receives: PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -12.2 ppg, -4.7 rpg, and +2.7 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Dallas receives: SF Glenn Robinson (17.6 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.5 apg in 34 games)
SG Greg Buckner (3.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.8 apg in 29 games)
C Samuel Dalembert (7.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 0.2 apg in 52 games)
Change in team outlook: +12.2 ppg, +4.7 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Although, the only reason that I would do this if I were Philly would be to get rid of the Big Dog.

[jayC]

1) any trade with indiana i want ron artest, or al harrington.
2) Dampier is the third best center in the league arguably so i wouldn't be suprised if he went anywhere?

[dalmations202]

Maybe ? ?

Seattle trades: C Jerome James (5.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 14.5 minutes)
SG Brent Barry (10.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.5 apg in 30.8 minutes)
C Calvin Booth (5.1 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 18.7 minutes)
Seattle receives: SG Marquis Daniels (4.2 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 9.6 minutes)
PG Travis Best (3.4 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 14.5 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +2.3 ppg, -0.1 rpg, and +1.5 apg.

Dallas trades: SG Marquis Daniels (4.2 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 9.6 minutes)
PG Travis Best (3.4 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 14.5 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Jerome James (5.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 43 games)
SG Brent Barry (10.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.5 apg in 40 games)
C Calvin Booth (5.1 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 50 games)
Change in team outlook: -2.3 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

I kind of like this scenerio. A 4 headed Center position - 24 fouls on Shaq and TD. + 6 more from Forston before we are forced to move Dirk down there. Daniels isn't playing anyway, and I think Barry would be a better backup PG for this team than Best. At least he is longer, and has a better shot.

[jayC]

That would give us depth center wise but not much more. Im not a big fan of either booth or james at this point in their respective careers.

Ron Artest would be an intriguing player. When his attitude is in check he can be very good. He plays all defensive type of D, and he is a good offensive player. While Larry Bird is intrigued with Walker.

nash
finley
artest
Dirk
Bradley

or a
nash
finley
artest
jamison
Dirk

[Turkey]

Seattle trades: C Jerome James (5.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 14.5 minutes)
SG Brent Barry (10.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.5 apg in 30.8 minutes)
C Calvin Booth (5.1 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 18.7 minutes)
Seattle receives: SG Marquis Daniels (4.2 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 9.6 minutes)
PG Travis Best (3.4 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 14.5 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +2.3 ppg, -0.1 rpg, and +1.5 apg.

Dallas trades: SG Marquis Daniels (4.2 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 9.6 minutes)
PG Travis Best (3.4 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 14.5 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Jerome James (5.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 43 games)
SG Brent Barry (10.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.5 apg in 40 games)
C Calvin Booth (5.1 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 50 games)
Change in team outlook: -2.3 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

OOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Uck

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: jayC
That would give us depth center wise but not much more. Im not a big fan of either booth or james at this point in their respective careers.

Ron Artest would be an intriguing player. When his attitude is in check he can be very good. He plays all defensive type of D, and he is a good offensive player. While Larry Bird is intrigued with Walker.

nash
finley
artest
Dirk
Bradley

or a
nash
finley
artest
jamison
Dirk

I love Artest's game, but he is a BYC1. No way you get him.

[Poindexter Einstein]

Re Artest, in addition to the fact that he is BYC, add in the fact that Indy loves him now. And he is relatively cheap, for what he brings to the court. So he aint going nowhere.

[ddh33]

Originally posted by: dalmations202
OK;
Do you do this then?

New York trades: SG Allan Houston (19.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 37.0 minutes)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 24.1 minutes)
New York receives: PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -10.1 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +2.7 apg.

Dallas trades: PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
PF Tariq Abdul-Wahad (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Dallas receives: SG Allan Houston (19.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 41 games)
C Dikembe Mutombo (6.1 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 0.4 apg in 52 games)
Change in team outlook: +10.1 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

No, I wouldn't do that trade. I think Mutombo is on his last legs. He just doesn't bring much to the table to me.
Although Houston is a good player and great shooter, he would make this team smaller and less able to match up with the big teams.

In the process, we lose a horrible salary, which is a plus. But we also lose Walker who gives us a better chance to win that the two Knicks. I think we would lose creativity, ballhandling, playmaking, and even rebounding (since Deke wouldn't get enough minutes to make up for Walker's loss). So, I vote no.

[ddh33]

The common idea is that this team is eventaully going to have to bite the bullet and give up one of our star forwards to get a legit, quality center. Make no mistake, I agree with this statement completely, even if it seems otherwise. I believe that this team needs a solid 5 to take us to that next level.

At the same time, I don't think we should throw around a trading chip like Walker unless we're getting a definite upgrade. Not every center is, in my opinion.

Z might be, but that's awfully questionable. In fact, the only way I would deal for him would be to get some of Cleveland's other talent. That makes that deal unlikely.
Dampier might be. I liked the Cliff Robinson/Dampier package better than a lot of things out there. But part of the reason for that is because I am a a big Uncle Cliffy fan. I think he's always been underrated, especially on defense. He could really help this team in the playoffs - even if his numbers always drop then.
Eddy Curry and Antonio Davis would also have my attention. I would probably do that deal. I think Curry needs a change of scenery in the worst way. In Dallas, he could be an inside presence, concentrate on developing his rebounding, and block a shot every once in a while. I know we don't need a ton of scoring, but I would love to have his scoring here. Add in Davis as a warrior type player to throw himself around, play D, block shots, and rebound, and you have the making of a dominant frontcourt.
I would have seriously considered a Rasheed deal, but because of all the questions surrounding him, that would have had to be on my terms too.

Like I said, there are deals that I would do. I believe that we need a center and that a chnage will probably be needed to take that next step - I hope I'm wrong though. But, like I said, there's no reason to make a bad deal. Let's wait until we can do something that is more on our terms and makes sense to this organization in more ways than one.

The bottom line is that this team is in a stronger position to bargain shop and bet than most. This team isn't desperate and doesn't have to make a deal, even though I suspect everyone realizes the possible need to.

[Dirkenstien]

I would actually be surprised if anything went down before the trade deadline. Im looking towards the playoffs to provide us with an insight on what we may do in the the offseason

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: Dirkenstien
I would actually be surprised if anything went down before the trade deadline. Im looking towards the playoffs to provide us with an insight on what we may do in the the offseason

I really don't like "standing pat" as the answer, but I suspect that you are correct here.
I would like them to win it all this year, and I think they are a true Center away from being able to do just that.

[mavsfan7]

This trade was on the real gm board that someone came up with. everyone seemed to like it. GS and Indiana liked it. So what do you guys think. It would be great for us in my opinion. A backup point gaurd that plays our style and a center. Fills our holes and gets rid of our logjam. What do you think???

Dallas trades: PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 16.3 minutes)
PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 37.5 minutes)
Dallas receives: C Erick Dampier (11.9 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 32.3 minutes)
PG Kenny Anderson (6.5 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 3.1 apg in 24.4 minutes)
PF Austin Croshere (4.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +1.2 ppg, +6.0 rpg, and -1.8 apg.

Golden State trades: C Erick Dampier (11.9 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 32.3 minutes)
PG Nick Van Exel (13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.7 apg in 33.1 minutes)
PF Popeye Jones (0.0 ppg, 0.2 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes)
Golden State receives: PG Tony Delk (6.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 29 games)
PF Antoine Walker (15.5 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 5.2 apg in 51 games)
C Scot Pollard (1.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.1 apg in 39 games)
Change in team outlook: -1.3 ppg, -0.6 rpg, and -0.3 apg.

Indiana trades: PG Kenny Anderson (6.5 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 3.1 apg in 24.4 minutes)
C Scot Pollard (1.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.1 apg in 11.4 minutes)
PF Austin Croshere (4.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.6 minutes)
Indiana receives: PG Nick Van Exel (13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 5.7 apg in 32 games)
PF Popeye Jones (0.0 ppg, 0.2 rpg, 0.0 apg in 5 games)
Change in team outlook: +0.1 ppg, -5.4 rpg, and +2.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

[Poindexter Einstein]

Basically Walker for Dampier, and taking on some junk?

I am pretty lukewarm about it, and think the Mavs would be also. Walker-for-Dampier, 1-for-1, is very borderline value for Walker - Dampier might be very overrated from 90 days of good play (preceded by 5 years of crappy play). You know from years of all-star performance that Walker is a strong talent. If you also force the Mavs to take on a couple of spares, one with a nasty contract, its unquestionably a bad deal (rather than borderline) IMO.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally posted by: Poindexter Einstein
Basically Walker for Dampier, and taking on some junk?

I am pretty lukewarm about it, and think the Mavs would be also. Walker-for-Dampier, 1-for-1, is very borderline value for Walker - Dampier might be very overrated from 90 days of good play (preceded by 5 years of crappy play). You know from years of all-star performance that Walker is a strong talent. If you also force the Mavs to take on a couple of spares, one with a nasty contract, its unquestionably a bad deal (rather than borderline) IMO.

Overall in performance based on stats you are correct that they (Walker and Dampier) are about borderline even..however for the simple fact that Centers are generally more valuable than p/f's in this league..Dampier may outweigh Walker in terms of trade value; especially from out perspective in which we have Dirk/Walker/and jamison who all basically play the 4 position.

[MightyToine]

Originally posted by: Dirkenstien

Overall in performance based on stats you are correct that they (Walker and Dampier) are about borderline even..however for the simple fact that Centers are generally more valuable than p/f's in this league..Dampier may outweigh Walker in terms of trade value; especially from out perspective in which we have Dirk/Walker/and jamison who all basically play the 4 position.

So? Just because Dampier is a center and we just happen to need one doesn't mean we should have to give up a player who is WAY MORE talented and WAY MORE likely not to "go through the motions" after getting a contract(*cough*Dampier*cough*). Walker is too valuable a commodity to trade. And I guarantee that once the Playoffs come around, he will prove my point.

Why can't we just sign OSTERTAG for the MLE this offseason instead? A tandem of Tag and Bradley would be outstanding 'cause they both have something that Dampier doesn't : More HEIGHT. OH and does Dampier BLOCK SHOTS on a consistent basis?


I say no to any trade involving Dampier for Walker.... (hell, I say no to any trade involving Walker, period...)