Snowpocalypse and Cancungate

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

It was solely that the power plants couldn't produce enough power, because they weren't equipped to handle the temperatures. I mean, they could have let us know that, because they obviously saw this coming one to two weeks before it happened, but there wasn't time to winterize the plants at that point. What is meant by EVERYTHING?

I mean... everything. The entire energy infrastructure in the state of Texas. You say "plants" as if that's one small, specific thing. People have tried to blame one source of energy or another for political reasons. It's because the wind turbines froze... It's because natural gas pipelines froze etc.... It was every form of energy, and the infrastructure around them (i.e. the grid) failed on a spectacular level. "It was solely that the power plants couldn't produce enough power." Which plants exactly? You mean... all of them? That's... pretty much everything.

You said it had nothing to do with "the grid," and only that it was solely "the plants." A power grid generally refers to the entire energy producing system and infrastructure. That generally includes the plants that produce the power. If you're simply trying to argue that the plants are not part of "the grid"... A: I'm not entirely sure that's true, and B: even if it is, like, who the hell cares? That's a meaningless technicality. And it's also simply not true to say that the crisis was solely due to the plants not producing enough power. It was the entire infrastructure that broke down- including the inability to move materials and supplies across the state, and perhaps most importantly, the inability to import power from other states or from Mexico, as has been done in the past.

You say it was just that "the plants" weren't winterized, as if that's independent from the grid. WHY weren't the plants winterized? Because Texas has an independent energy infrastructure (one might even be so bold as to call it a grid) that is not subject to federal regulations. Also, ERCOT itself has admitted that the entire grid was less than 5 minutes away from completely collapsing at one point, which would have led to a statewide blackout lasting for several months. I'd say that makes "the grid" very relevant here.

So yeah... it was *everything.*

[SMC0007]

No fn game tomorrow. Thanks a lot Greg abbot

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

No fn game tomorrow. Thanks a lot Greg abbot

Don’t you mean “thanks AOC!”

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Don’t you mean “thanks AOC!”

And Bin Laden

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Don’t you mean “thanks AOC!”

Abbot tried to blame this on windmills, and aoc tried to blame it on not having the green new deal in place. So predictable. The actual reason for the failure was that the coal, gas, and nuclear plants weren’t equipped to deal with freezing temperatures. Politicians are such shameless liars, and people who Stan them are gullible retards.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

Abbot tried to blame this on windmills, and aoc tried to blame it on not having the green new deal in place. So predictable. The actual reason for the failure was that the coal, gas, and nuclear plants weren’t equipped to deal with freezing temperatures. Politicians are such shameless liars, and people who Stan them are gullible retards.

Yes! The overwhelming vast majority are.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

Abbot tried to blame this on windmills, and aoc tried to blame it on not having the green new deal in place. So predictable. The actual reason for the failure was that the coal, gas, and nuclear plants weren’t equipped to deal with freezing temperatures. Politicians are such shameless liars, and people who Stan them are gullible retards.

It’s due to deregulation and capitalism. Texas didn’t want to be part of the US power grid so they have their own shitty one to avoid regulation and the rich can profit. Then there was no incentive to winterize and equip the resources to deal with something of this magnitude.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

It’s due to deregulation and capitalism. Texas didn’t want to be part of the US power grid so they have their own shitty one to avoid regulation and the rich can profit. Then there was no incentive to winterize and equip the resources to deal with something of this magnitude.

Obviously the culprit was no incentive to winterize for a very rare event. The plants had actually just spent resources summerizing, because last year a nearly similar event almost occurred with the droughts and high temperatures Texas experienced last summer. All of the plants rely on water to heat and turn the turbines. This time it froze, last summer they nearly ran out.

The point is that both Reps and Dems lied about this event to score political points, and it is easy to see it, but most people will just agree with their team. Blaming capitalism is a bit simplistic. If power was completely socialized would winterizing Texas coal, gas, and nuclear plants be a priority? I doubt it.

[tap2390]

Both sides are politicizing this, but to place the blame equally at the feet of each is false equivalency. One side has dominated Texas politics for decades now. During that time Texas has seen unprecedented growth and economic opportunity, true. During that time Texas should have modernized its infrastructure and electrical grid, also true.

[sefant77]

Texas Talibans

Yeah that sums it up

[Murphy3]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Texas Talibans

Yeah that sums it up

F off...that sums it up.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

F off...that sums it up.

Hah... I stopped long time ago caring about your irrelevant ass.

Now f off to your taliban boys

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Super B

Then the geniuses who are Cuban, Donnie and Carlisle dismantled the team. Would they have won another title? Maybe not, but we never got to find out what that group could have done the next season.

Nobody "dismantled" anything. I've said this a million times. This is the most enduring, most frustrating myth of the Mavs' post 2011 doldrums. Letting Tyson Chandler walk in free agency =/= "dismantling" the team. The roster outside of Chandler was not only brought back almost entirely in tact, on paper at least, it was arguably even better. It's not like we let Chandler walk and did nothing else. Vince Carter was an upgrade over Stevenson, and we brought in the reigning Sixth Man of the Year. The problem is... (in my best Stephen A Smith voice) Lamar Odom WAS ON CRACK! Seriously, if we got the player we thought we were getting in Odom, the Mavs might have made a very deep run that year.

I'm not saying letting Chandler walk was the right decision. I think history proved that it wasn't. But a full decade later, people still complain that the Mavs "blew up" their title team, and that's just not true. The truth is, the team blew itself up. They were the oldest team in the league by a pretty fair margin as I recall. Kidd was 40, Marion, Terry, and even our franchise cornerstone Dirk were all in their mid-30s.

The real failure of the MBT wasn't that they "dismantled" the 2011 team, it was continuing "plan powder" for like the next 5-6 years after they swung and missed on Deron Williams and Dwight Howard.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I mean... everything. The entire energy infrastructure in the state of Texas. You say "plants" as if that's one small, specific thing. People have tried to blame one source of energy or another for political reasons. It's because the wind turbines froze... It's because natural gas pipelines froze etc.... It was every form of energy, and the infrastructure around them (i.e. the grid) failed on a spectacular level. "It was solely that the power plants couldn't produce enough power." Which plants exactly? You mean... all of them? That's... pretty much everything.

You said it had nothing to do with "the grid," and only that it was solely "the plants." A power grid generally refers to the entire energy producing system and infrastructure. That generally includes the plants that produce the power. If you're simply trying to argue that the plants are not part of "the grid"... A: I'm not entirely sure that's true, and B: even if it is, like, who the hell cares? That's a meaningless technicality. And it's also simply not true to say that the crisis was solely due to the plants not producing enough power. It was the entire infrastructure that broke down- including the inability to move materials and supplies across the state, and perhaps most importantly, the inability to import power from other states or from Mexico, as has been done in the past.

You say it was just that "the plants" weren't winterized, as if that's independent from the grid. WHY weren't the plants winterized? Because Texas has an independent energy infrastructure (one might even be so bold as to call it a grid) that is not subject to federal regulations. Also, ERCOT itself has admitted that the entire grid was less than 5 minutes away from completely collapsing at one point, which would have led to a statewide blackout lasting for several months. I'd say that makes "the grid" very relevant here.

So yeah... it was *everything.*

My definition of the grid was the power transmission and delivery system. It may be wrong. The point of failure was the power plants. Specifically the coal, gas, and nuclear plants. Solar and wind are supposed to be variable, and their outages were within the planned ranges during the event, and they were also brought back up quickly, so they weren’t the culprit. I didn’t see anywhere that there was a structural inability to bring in power from Oklahoma and Mexico. I’ve read the opposite, that they maintain it so they can sell energy to those locations. Maybe you have a source.