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Marc Stein: Dallas could be targeting Kidd
He just reported this on Sportscenter.
let the summer of mayhem begin!
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that might not be a terrible idea...although his age scares me. The Mavs have absolutely zero guards that are capable of consistently creating for others.. Harris is great at creating for himself... Howard can do the same... but who creates for anyone else on the court?
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in hindsight we probably should have tried for kidd last year
I think it would be worth it despite his age. Dirk will be at the very top of his peak next year so this is the best time to go for the haymaker. |
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05-04-2007, 06:45 PM
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Hey, Stein must be reading all my posts on this board today.
JKidd could cure a lot of what ails this thing, I think.
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yeah.... you wouldn't have to count on Dirk to initiate all of the offense when things got tough if you had Kidd. That's pretty much what the Mavs were left with unless you wanted to see Stackhouse dribble the ball off of his lower lip.
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I wouldn't mind having him. we need a true point guard who can run the offense and is a great passer. Kidd fits that roll. he also can score. Like murphy said, devin harris can create for himself or not others. god i wish we had nash...
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Kidd is also a darn good post up guard.
And a good defender. And he could definitely help in the leadership department.
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05-04-2007, 07:04 PM
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if the mavs want kidd, then they better get some atheletes to get kidd playing at maximum potential. Kidd is owed 80 mil in the next 2 yrs and is getting too old, next year will be like his 14th season!
Off season mavs plan: Trade Damp and Ager for Gasol • A solid big man and a young player with potential for a disgruntled star • Pau blocks and rebounds the ball very well, 80% of his points come from dunks or lay ups in the paint. • A high/low game with Pau and Dirk is deadly • Jerry West is gone from Memphis, time to exploit that! Trade JET for Rashard Lewis •Trade JET back to his home city for a disgruntled star • Rashard has range that goes beyond the 3 pt line. • Has tremendous atheletic ability. • A solid defender Sign Desmond Mason • Hopefully knowing he'll be in a great situation in Dallas he'll sign for the Full mid level exception • Can shoot the ball and has freakish athelic ability. • Takes on stacks role Split an exception to get: • PJ Brown • Mo Peterson 2008 Mavs Line: Gasol | Diop | Mbenga Dirk | Brown Lewis | George J-Ho | Buckner Harris | Mason | Peterson Take away Damp, JET, Ager, Stack, Cro Add Pau, Lewis, Mason, Brown, Peterson Im ready for 2008! |
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Trading for Kidd would be a darned nice move. Unfortunatley we have zero expring contracts next year. I don't see how a deal would work. They'd be interested in Devin Harris, but you'd need to throw in something to make the salaries match. I don't think NJ would be interested in the bloated contracts of Erick Dampier or Jason Terry. No one would. The Mavs, unfortunately, are left with very little in terms of trade bait.
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I'll go on record as saying Kidd won't help. I just don't think he's got enough gas left in his tank and since when has he been all that successful in the weaker East anyways.
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I do love the idea of having PJ Brown in Dallas. He would make a much better combo with Damp. That would give us two centers who could score enough to keep teams honest. That's what killed us vs Golden State - Diop couldn't keep the Warriors honest which allowed them to double Dirk without leaving a competent scorer open. I also like the idea of Peterson as a distributor. go mavs |
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But yeah, I don't know if we need to dish out for Kidd (as you guys have said, age is a concern), but I don't think anyone can tell me that we would've lost against Golden State with a point guard with the ability to get Dirk (or anyone for that matter) the ball in good spots.
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Kidd would be nice I think. Although with his age, I would be hesitant to give up too much. However, as old as he is getting, he still seems to be playing at a high level - heck the guy wasn't too far away from averaging a triple double this year. What would we deal to get him? Obviously Dirk is off the board. I'd be really hesitant to give up Howard. If Terry and a bench player can get it done, I say go for it. Of course, this leaves us with a lack of shooting that we would need to fill at some other point in the offseason. It's an intriguing idea though.
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I would really like Jason Kidd on the team. He is still playing at a high level.
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The thing about Kidd is that watching him on TV just doesn't do him any justice. I remember when the Mavs drafted him. I thought he was a wasted pick and the Mavs shoulda drafted Grant Hill. My friend was a big fan though. We went to a couple of Mavs practices and then some games. He is extremely impressive live. Much, much better than he looks on TV. |
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I have a feeling that Jason Terry will not be a Maverick next year, and this kind of makes that feeling even more real. I hate saying it, but I just have that bad feeling.
The only Mavs that are safe this offseason imho are Dirk, Josh, and Devin.
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Think about it though, what center out there can the mavs get to drastically help them out. I say Gasol becasue though he may sound like a dream come true, he's probably the most realistic scenario.
Here's the situations with the top dawgs (whom everyone THINKS is attainable) of the low post. • Kevin Garnett aint gonna happen, especially with his 102 mil contract • Jermaine O'Neal's contract is 90 mil • I dont see the Nuggets NOT wanting Camby back • Zach Randolph has a similar contract like Pau, but he's not disgruntled and doesnt want out of the portland situation as much as Pau. • Elton Brand will stay with the clippers. Period. • Okurfor (see above about Brand) • Pau is owed 50 mil in 4 yrs, thats a resonable amount and length AND he desperatly wants out of Memphis! The Mavs need a Atheletic Big-Time Big man that strikes fear an the oppenents eye, though gasol may not strike fear in oppenents eyes, the combo of pau and dirk would! Guys likes Brad Miller, Dalembert, Candyman, Big Z, Brendan Haywood, etc. are not gonna cut it one single bit, theyre all soft and dont scare the competion. The only Bigs the mavs should be seriously looking at are those mentioned above, mainly PAU! Mavs in 08 Last edited by destroy ALL; 05-04-2007 at 08:33 PM. |
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There is no way we get Gasol without giving up Josh or Devin, and Gasol doesn't really solve our issues. The middle of our defense would be wide open without Damp or Diop out there.
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Forget Kidd, what would we offer for him? Would it be worth it? How old is he? We need a guard that can create but really we don't need an aging all-star, the price would be too high for a trade in my opinion.
That said... Chauncey Billups anyone? Free agency is a beautiful thing. |
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How are we going to get Kidd, and how can we afford Billups?
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What about Lamar Odom?
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JET's not much better than what Fin provided in his final year or so... JET has better ball handling ability but still rarely got to the rim and rarely created for others.. Plus, Fin was a superior defender and rebounder.
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I just think Billups is a cheaper solution. More realistic? Maybe... NJ should probably rebuild after this year, and I doubt the Pistons would part with him unless he really wanted to be dealt in a sign and trade. Plus I don't think we'd give up as much, Kidd's contract is ridiculous for his age.
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Please no -- not another Jason Kidd thread.
I have a feeling there will always be media rumors and people on this board who want Kidd to play for the Mavs until he either turns 50 or has trouble walking without considerable assistance. |
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Mikki Moore.
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As long as we are dealing with New Jersey, I want Jason Collins too.
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I'm going to sit on this 67 win season, and weird 1st round matchup against a team that shoots like 60% from 3 point range, and I'm going to just wait a week or so before I start assigning blame left and right. Todays' posts on this board have been shameful IMO.
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That's barely better than their season average. It's not like Golden State played way over their heads. We played below our level, or at least before the level we'd estalished before the last month of the final season. And really, it doesn't even matter if you think they're still good enough talent wise, in my opinion. This thing is so screwed up mentally now, you just can't bring it back intact.
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Probably wise flacalo. I stayed away all day but couldn't control my avery rant. I was giving to all of my co-workers, figured I needed to get it out.
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