2018 Free Agency / Armchair GM Thread - Page 27 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

thewizard · 07-02-2018, 07:02 PM

Well Carlisle did mention in the press conference a few days ago that Yogi is a core piece. Clearly we value him over Curry if we declined to match a 2yr 5m deal for Curry.

rimrocker · 07-02-2018, 07:10 PM

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Well Carlisle did mention in the press conference a few days ago that Yogi is a core piece. Clearly we value him over Curry if we declined to match a 2yr 5m deal for Curry.

I'm not hearing much about Yogi....has there been any interest from other teams?

I'm perfectly fine if we can re-sign him on a 2yr 5mil contract.

thewizard · 07-02-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm not hearing much about Yogi....has there been any interest from other teams?

I'm perfectly fine if we can re-sign him on a 2yr 5mil contract.

I haven't heard any rumors about him. But he is the only one of our restricted free agents that we retained the rights to, so if someone makes him an offer we can match. I think we have early bird rights on him so we can only match up to a certain amount? So hopefully he doesn't get overpaid.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2018, 07:16 PM

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I'm not hearing much about Yogi....has there been any interest from other teams?

I'm perfectly fine if we can re-sign him on a 2yr 5mil contract.

We extended the qualifying offer of 2.9mill to him so unless someone offers more, he's ours for 1 year/2.9mill

Melonhead · 07-02-2018, 07:22 PM

Really didn’t want to keep yogi and let Curry walk for pretty much nothing. We need shooters and height.

turin · 07-02-2018, 07:22 PM

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What??! Howard has made at least 200 million in his career and is coming off of a 3/70 contract that Atlanta gave him. NN has made rookie scale money and now the MLE. Not comparable.

I know, but I was speaking off the cuff. Dwight has damaged his overall earnings potential since the Lakers fiasco, and that has cost him a lot of money even though he's been paid a lot, and his future earnings are forever impacted IMO. Noel passed on 4/70 and just signed for 2/3.5, so that's what $40m that he basically flushed down the toilet.

Yes, not a good comparison. I was pretty much thinking out loud about how much money the two of them have cost themselves, and I know there are more than a few other examples out there. Still, it boggles my mind sometimes when I think about it.

NeedlesKane · 07-02-2018, 07:22 PM

This sucks. I thought we'd keep Curry.

turin · 07-02-2018, 07:26 PM

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This sucks. I thought we'd keep Curry.

Yeah, definitely a bummer - both Curry and McD gone. :-(

j0Shi · 07-02-2018, 07:33 PM

Even if "health", not sure why we didn't keep him for 2.75M. Hopefully this means that the Mavs had already moved on from him and will present another option soon.

Underdog · 07-02-2018, 07:34 PM

The one good thing about losing Seth is that we're more likely to see Brunson crack the rotation now...

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2018, 07:36 PM

Jordan/Powell/Mejri
Dirk/Kleber
Barnes/DFS/
Doncic/Matthews
Smith/Barea/Brunson/Yogi (QO)
*Motley

13+1 guys on the roster.

turin · 07-02-2018, 08:00 PM

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The one good thing about losing Seth is that we're more likely to see Brunson crack the rotation now...

This! Please Rick, play the young guys... a lot!

mac222b · 07-02-2018, 08:08 PM

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Is there any chance we can also sign Randle next to DJ? That would make a great Starting Lineup

I’m on the Ingram is going to be a stud Bandwagon for awhile now. Would love to get him here. They’ll only trade him for Kawhi or Butler or someone of that ilk, if they trade him at all. Weird Lakers signing and Ingram may be wasted there. He has legit point forward skills. Rondo and Lebron both need the ball. Ball needs the ball

3_Ball · 07-02-2018, 08:22 PM

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I know, but I was speaking off the cuff. Dwight has damaged his overall earnings potential since the Lakers fiasco, and that has cost him a lot of money even though he's been paid a lot, and his future earnings are forever impacted IMO. Noel passed on 4/70 and just signed for 2/3.5, so that's what $40m that he basically flushed down the toilet.

Yes, not a good comparison. I was pretty much thinking out loud about how much money the two of them have cost themselves, and I know there are more than a few other examples out there. Still, it boggles my mind sometimes when I think about it.

I said this a lot during the draft discussion about Porter Jr. Dwight ruptured the disc in his lower back in 2013, right before he went to LA. That injury is what did him in.

There's a reason Porter Jr isn't playing in the summer league. Back injuries are very serious yo.

3_Ball · 07-02-2018, 08:29 PM

So... is DeAndre Jordan 4.5x better than DeMarcus Cousins next season?

I'm sure Cousins gave the Warriors the "Chasing the Ring" discount, but sounds like he wouldn't of costed anywhere near 24.1 mil... I was shocked Cousins signed for so little, injury & all.

NeedlesKane · 07-02-2018, 08:30 PM

I don't know what to say about this league. It's ridiculous when a team with 4 superstars can add yet another. Now Cousins is on the Warriors.

Underdog · 07-02-2018, 08:32 PM

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So... is DeAndre Jordan 4.5x better than DeMarcus Cousins next season?

I'm sure Cousins gave the Warriors the "Chasing the Ring" discount, but sounds like he wouldn't of costed anywhere near 24.1 mil... I was shocked Cousins signed for so little, injury & all.

He was only going to one team, so price is irrelevant... Otherwise he'd be playing for $20m with LeBron in LA next year.

$5m wasn't the going price for Boogie, $5m was the going price for Boogie to get an easy ring. Dude is gonna get that hardware even if he's sitting on the sideline in a suit next season.

Me.B · 07-02-2018, 08:34 PM

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Damn. We need shooting.

I would have liked to have Seth back but the Mavs NEED wings. They really do have enough small guards. Right DFS is the only backup wing. They need 1 or two that can shoot. I think they are just going to wait and see who falls through the cracks though.

NeedlesKane · 07-02-2018, 08:36 PM

The only good news I get out of this is that the Mavericks should be better than the Pelicans as well now. The bad news? I think the Mavericks are a 9th seed.

Me.B · 07-02-2018, 08:40 PM

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So... is DeAndre Jordan 4.5x better than DeMarcus Cousins next season?

I'm sure Cousins gave the Warriors the "Chasing the Ring" discount, but sounds like he wouldn't of costed anywhere near 24.1 mil... I was shocked Cousins signed for so little, injury & all.

Cousins is a better fit with the Warriors than he would have been with the Mavs. First, he’s not even going to play until late January at the earliest. They have the team to withstand that. Also his defense and rounding are going to be a atrocious! Again, they have the team to be able to withstand that. All he has to do is focus on getting back on the court and in shape by the time the playoffs start. Also he took less to get a chance at a ring.

He wouldn’t have taken less to play for a team that MIGHT make the 8th if they’re lucky. The Mavs don’t have the team to make up for his absence or lack of rebounding/defense. Even if they were paying him half of what DJ got would you really want to pay a guy $12 mil to play 20 game and be a bad rebounder/defender? I wouldn’t.

mac222b · 07-02-2018, 08:42 PM

Nice recovery by Pels getting Randle and Payton. They get younger but both guys are experienced. Randle can be a playmaker when AD hits the bench

tap2390 · 07-02-2018, 08:44 PM

Too much complaining all around. Most likely DMC is mediocre when he returns and never gets back to 100% (at least not for another year).

To let Seth walk over $2.75 million sucks. Mavs must know something we don’t, or, even more likely, Seth wants to be on the East Coast closer to family.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2018, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 3_Ball

So... is DeAndre Jordan 4.5x better than DeMarcus Cousins next season?

I'm sure Cousins gave the Warriors the "Chasing the Ring" discount, but sounds like he wouldn't of costed anywhere near 24.1 mil... I was shocked Cousins signed for so little, injury & all.

Not only that...but he might've signed a 1 year deal. I just feel like you could've got more bang for your buck than Jordan. You could've signed 3 or 4 vets for 25 million.

DavidDaMonkey · 07-02-2018, 08:47 PM

You could make the argument that every player in the Warrior's starting lineup should be a max contract player.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2018, 08:50 PM

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You could make the argument that every player in the Warrior's starting lineup should be a max contract player.

They most definetly are.......

mac222b · 07-02-2018, 08:50 PM

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Not only that...but he might've signed a 1 year deal. I just feel like you could've got more bang for your buck than Jordan. You could've signed 3 or 4 vets for 25 million.

I’m happy with Jordan. He fits perfectly. Great for Doncic especially pnr. Would’ve had to overpay Favors for a multi year deal and he’s always hurt or settle for a goon like Len or Gortat. What sucks is the Wes trade to Clipps didn’t happen. Curious to know who they were after with that extra $. We may never know...

turin · 07-02-2018, 08:51 PM

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I said this a lot during the draft discussion about Porter Jr. Dwight ruptured the disc in his lower back in 2013, right before he went to LA. That injury is what did him in.

There's a reason Porter Jr isn't playing in the summer league. Back injuries are very serious yo.

Agree.

tap2390 · 07-02-2018, 08:56 PM

Complaints about overpaying DeAndre in light of the DMC contract are way overblown. DeAndre was going to get paid one way or another (either opting in or opting out with a deal in place). Not to mention DeAndre is one of the most reliable players in the league, and the better fit on this team. Once again we don’t have a first round pick... who really wanted to try and incorporate DMC with 30 games left and us out of playoff contention?

Underdog · 07-02-2018, 08:58 PM

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Not only that...but he might've signed a 1 year deal. I just feel like you could've got more bang for your buck than Jordan. You could've signed 3 or 4 vets for 25 million.

Vets don't sign $8m/1-year contracts on a rebuild... Don't forget that Jordan didn't sign a longterm deal, which most vets are looking for unless they're on contender.

BPo001 · 07-02-2018, 08:58 PM

Would have liked Curry back at that price. Def need to find some wings with length that can shoot.

turin · 07-02-2018, 09:00 PM

This has certainly been the most entertaining offseason that I can recall in years, and as much as I hate to admit it, the more I think of DJ with the Mavs, especially on a 1-yr deal, the more I like it. Now if we can address some wings who can also shoot 3's.

This is outside the box, but any opinions on Dirk coming off the bench and being utilized more as a 3-point threat?

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2018, 09:00 PM

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Vets sign $8m/1 year contracts on a rebuild... Don't forget that Jordan didn't sign a longterm deal, which most vets are looking for unless they're on contender.

This is a rebuild?

Underdog · 07-02-2018, 09:02 PM

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This is a rebuild?

With 2/5 of our starters being too young to legally buy alcohol in this country? We might be gunning for that last playoff spot, but yeah, it's a rebuild.

3_Ball · 07-02-2018, 09:05 PM

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He was only going to one team, so price is irrelevant... Otherwise he'd be playing for $20m with LeBron in LA next year.

$5m wasn't the going price for Boogie, $5m was the going price for Boogie to get an easy ring. Dude is gonna get that hardware even if he's sitting on the sideline in a suit next season.

Yeah, but LAL didn't have $20 mil to sign him. Maybe he could of gotten the $9 mil Rondo got. They really don't have anymore cap space than that, until they find a sucker to take Deng's contract.

Mavs could of had Cousins for $15 mil, maybe $10 mil... Don't know exactly, but definitely less than $24.1 mil. Didn't really want him, but semi-surprised he didn't garner more interest.

Me.B · 07-02-2018, 09:08 PM

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Too much complaining all around. Most likely DMC is mediocre when he returns and never gets back to 100% (at least not for another year).

To let Seth walk over $2.75 million sucks. Mavs must know something we don’t, or, even more likely, Seth wants to be on the East Coast closer to family.

Seth also saw little playing time in Dallas with Doncic and Wes taking all the minutes at SG and Dennis and JJ getting the minutes at PG.

Underdog · 07-02-2018, 09:14 PM

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Mavs could of had Cousins for $15 mil, maybe $10 mil.

I think you're missing the point here -- Boogie would have turned his nose up at anything less than a max offer from any team aside from Golden State. They got the "hardware discount" that no other team could have offered because nobody else can give him a championship on a silver platter.

There's far more than a $5-10m gulf between the Warriors and the Mavericks for a guy like Cousins.

turin · 07-02-2018, 09:19 PM

DMC gets $5m for rehab year to ease back into playing with the idea of being recovered in time for playoffs and an NBA championship. What's not to like about that? If he can show he's recovered, then he can max with Lakers the following year and play with James for more jewelry. If he's not the same physically, then he put himself in a great position (maybe his only chance) to contribute to and be an NBA champion. Sounds smart to me.

sefant77 · 07-02-2018, 09:33 PM

Soooo...whats realistic and good options for us now? Who is going to sign for ~4m?

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2018, 09:37 PM

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Can't post the tweet because I'm still at work. But Woj just said Seth Curry is signing with the Trail Blazers. Two year deal. 2.75m this year and player option next year.

We'll see how many games he plays next season. Doubt the Mavs think he'll do much if they let him go for that.

tap2390 · 07-02-2018, 10:07 PM

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Soooo...whats realistic and good options for us now? Who is going to sign for ~4m?

Wayne Ellington? Luc Mbah a Moute? Avery Bradley (best-case scenario)?