Mavs seeding

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Mavs are 2nd in the league in generating "open" three point looks (closest defender is 4-6 feet away). Mavs are 12th in knocking them down.

Mavs are 9th in the league in generating "wide open" three point looks (closest defender is more than 6 feet away). Mavs are 27th in knocking them down.

Mavs are 4th in the league in roll man possessions (roll man in pick and roll gets ball). Mavs are 19th in roll man FG%.

Mavs are 27th in transition points per game.

Mavs are 29th in cutter possessions per game. Mavs are 23rd in cutter FG%.

Mavs are 29th in putback attempts per game.



The stats support what our eyes are telling us. We don't generate easy points. We don't get out on the break. We don't put back offensive boards. We don't cut to the basket.

We're a pick and roll offense without a roll man and without consistent three point shooters to space the floor.

This team NEEDS a major overhaul. We should've stuck with developing Green as a starter all season because he actually does a lot of what we're missing and had a very successful jumper in college. Instead we're stuck hoping Richardson starts hitting open looks he hasn't hit all season.

Spot on with thr Greeen development, and I think even the most staunch defenders of Rick have some level of disappointment about that. Green has shown some defense that I was pleasantly surprised with. Offensively he needs more opportunities to catch up and experience things.

[turin]

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[Dallas41]

I would snoop around Indiana this summer

They were allegedly on the verge of blowing it up right before the deadline.

M.Brogdon would be the guy I'd try to steal away from them

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I would snoop around Indiana this summer

They were allegedly on the verge of blowing it up right before the deadline.

M.Brogdon would be the guy I'd try to steal away from them

Seems like taking on contracts is going to be the way to improve this year and I could see us nabbing someone like Brogdon

1) No cap room to speak of. If we have cap room, it's because we lost THJ and/or JRich. Only way we really make a huge jump talent-wise is if we overpay and we don't have the money to overpay.

2) No draft picks we can trade unless we make a move for the 2021 pick immediately after drafting.

I think our best bet is to make a move like that-- combine the 2021 pick with some friendly contracts to get someone who is floundering with another team.

[purplefrog]

THJ approx $18M
Redick approx $13M
Melli approx $3.8M
Boban $3.5M
WCS (team option) $4.1M
Total = approx $42.4M

Seems like there is some cap space for next year if you do not re-sign and deny player option on WCS. I am not saying there are any free agents worth that salary but some combination of FAs might fit under what is available.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

THJ approx $18M
Redick approx $13M
Melli approx $3.8M
Boban $3.5M
WCS (team option) $4.1M
Total = approx $42.4M

Seems like there is some cap space for next year if you do not re-sign and deny player option on WCS. I am not saying there are any free agents worth that salary but some combination of FAs might fit under what is available.

If we let THJ, Redick, Melli, WCS, and Boban walk, J-Rich opts out and we don't pursue him, then yeah, we have a little cap room. The projection right now is 112mill

With only nine guys on the roster, we'd have roughly 25 million to spend. If we keep WCS, then it's only 21 million. If J-Rich opts in, then we have like 11-14 million.

The max for a young player is 28 mill so even with the most peachy predictions, we don't even have one max slot, but we could potentially get a decent player with that or absorb that amount of salary in a trade.

Redick can also sign a vet min of around 3mill and it won't impact our cap. Don't know if he'd accept it, but we could get him back on the cheap.

We also can trade Green and our 2021 FRP as long as the deal doesn't get finalized until draft night.

[turin]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

THJ approx $18M
Redick approx $13M
Melli approx $3.8M
Boban $3.5M
WCS (team option) $4.1M
Total = approx $42.4M

Seems like there is some cap space for next year if you do not re-sign and deny player option on WCS. I am not saying there are any free agents worth that salary but some combination of FAs might fit under what is available.

I'd keep WCS for certain at $4.1m. I like his activity when he's conditioned and engaged. As fond as I am of Boban, I'd let him go, not because I don't think he has value but because RC will rarely play him. He's a waste of a roster spot and money while RC is the coach.

Powell, THJ, and Richardson are my top 3 to cut loose. I would seriously consider trading Brunson. He's young and has some talent and there should be a market for him, but he's a defensive liability, and I'd prefer we get more athletic and defensive and see if we can get somebody who is either a better volume 3 shooter or a better passer who is not such a defensive liability.

I'm not sure who's out there, but I wouldn't mind a veteran point guard be brought in if Brunson is traded. We just need to make sure to get somebody with some tread left. 2 years production would be good imo. Plug a hole with experience while hopefully increasing the BBIQ of this team.

[turin]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

THJ approx $18M
Redick approx $13M
Melli approx $3.8M
Boban $3.5M
WCS (team option) $4.1M
Total = approx $42.4M

Seems like there is some cap space for next year if you do not re-sign and deny player option on WCS. I am not saying there are any free agents worth that salary but some combination of FAs might fit under what is available.

I'd keep WCS for certain at $4.1m. I like his activity when he's conditioned and engaged. As fond as I am of Boban, I'd let him go, not because I don't think he has value but because RC will rarely play him. He's a waste of a roster spot and money while RC is the coach.

Powell, THJ, and Richardson are my top 3 to cut loose. I would seriously consider trading Brunson. He's young and has some talent and there should be a market for him, but he's a defensive liability, and I'd prefer we get more athletic and defensive and see if we can get somebody who is either a better volume 3 shooter or a better passer who is not such a defensive liability. A solid, veteran point guard with a year or 2 of tread left on the tires would be perfect. I have no idea if that's a realistic option though.

[EricaLubarsky]

How do we cut Powell? Dude still has two years left after this one and both are guaranteed money.

And J-Rich only can be "cut loose" if he opts out. If he opts in, he's making his money guaranteed.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

How do we cut Powell? Dude still has two years left after this one and both are guaranteed money.

And J-Rich only can be "cut loose" if he opts out. If he opts in, he's making his money guaranteed.

Yea. Powell isn't going anywhere, and he will probably be here after he retires too in capacity.

[turin]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea. Powell isn't going anywhere, and he will probably be here after he retires too in capacity.

I can hardly wait for his jersey to be retired in the rafters. :-O

[turin]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

How do we cut Powell? Dude still has two years left after this one and both are guaranteed money.

And J-Rich only can be "cut loose" if he opts out. If he opts in, he's making his money guaranteed.

You're correct. I probably should've been more aware of my language. Those are my top 3 to be gone by any means necessary, which sadly, means that we are more than likely stuck with them.

I meant "cut loose" as in get rid of them. I WISH we could release them. The Mavs always paint themselves in a corner it seems with terrible contracts. If they don't take one on, then they create one by bidding against themselves and overpaying for too long (Powell). SMH

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by turin

You're correct. I probably should've been more aware of my language. Those are my top 3 to be gone by any means necessary, which sadly, means that we are more than likely stuck with them.

I meant "cut loose" as in get rid of them. I WISH we could release them. The Mavs always paint themselves in a corner it seems with terrible contracts. If they don't take one on, then they create one by bidding against themselves and overpaying for too long (Powell). SMH

To be fair to Powell, prior to his injury he was one of the best roll men in the league.

[tap2390]

Porzingis - $31,650,600
Powell - $11,080,125
Doncic - $10,174,391
Kleber - $8,825,000
Cauley Stein - $4,100,000 (TO)
DFS - $4,000,000
Burke - $3,150,000
Green - $2,957,520
Brunson - $1,802,057 (TO)
Terry - $1,517,981


Puts us at $79,257,674 if Richardson declines his option and we dismiss all cap holds. That gives us about $32 million in cap space. That gives us enough space to max John Collins with a first year salary of $28 million.

If Richardson exercises his option, that would put us at $89,748,938, or $85,648,938 if we decline WCS's option. We are damn close to being able to max out Collins either way, with many movable pieces to make it happen.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Porzingis - $31,650,600
Powell - $11,080,125
Doncic - $10,174,391
Kleber - $8,825,000
Cauley Stein - $4,100,000 (TO)
DFS - $4,000,000
Burke - $3,150,000
Green - $2,957,520
Brunson - $1,802,057 (TO)
Terry - $1,517,981


Puts us at $79,257,674 if Richardson declines his option and we dismiss all cap holds. That gives us about $32 million in cap space. That gives us enough space to max John Collins with a first year salary of $28 million.

If Richardson exercises his option, that would put us at $89,748,938, or $85,648,938 if we decline WCS's option. We are damn close to being able to max out Collins either way, with many movable pieces to make it happen.

Have to include the minimum roster holds. If we only have 10 players that means 3 holds of 900k ish so -2.7m from the total.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Have to include the minimum roster holds. If we only have 10 players that means 3 holds of 900k ish so -2.7m from the total.

Good point -- thanks for the correction.

[SMC0007]

DP wasn't worth 3/33...ever. but if it makes people feel better.. Only $6,000,000 guaranteed in 2022/23, HoopsHype has learned. He can make an extra $1,000,000 in incentive compensation in 2020/21, 2021/22 and 2022/23.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

DP wasn't worth 3/33...ever. but if it makes people feel better.. Only $6,000,000 guaranteed in 2022/23, HoopsHype has learned. He can make an extra $1,000,000 in incentive compensation in 2020/21, 2021/22 and 2022/23.

He MIGHT be tradable in 2022-2023

[SMC0007]

Look, we are going to sign Collins and turn KP into 2 solid players this offseason via trade. Ending up with Collins, 1 starter and 1 good rotation player.

That...or...we use THJ and JJ expirings to give THJ a raise. Maybe even lock DP up for another 4 or 5 years. We really can't afford either of those to to hit the free market. You know they'd go to the Lakers or Nets and win a few chips.

[washedklean77]

On a different note: there have been a ton of absolute blowouts this season in the NBA. Last night alone offered 10 games where three games where decided by 30+ points. I'm so glad that I'm not a Mavs season ticket holder anymore as it'd be tough to make that kind of financial commitment upon a very unpredictable, and often times poor, product.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by washedklean77

On a different note: there have been a ton of absolute blowouts this season in the NBA. Last night alone offered 10 games where three games where decided by 30+ points. I'm so glad that I'm not a Mavs season ticket holder anymore as it'd be tough to make that kind of financial commitment upon a very unpredictable, and often times poor, product.

You have a .53% chance of seeing a Mavs win if you attend home games. That's not great. I wouldn't waste my time personally. Between parking$, traffic, concessions$ and the complete toss up whether we win or not, it's not worth it for me for even 1 game, much less season tickets.

[washedklean77]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

You have a .53% chance of seeing a Mavs win if you attend home games. That's not great. I wouldn't waste my time personally. Between parking$, traffic, concessions$ and the complete toss up whether we win or not, it's not worth it for me for even 1 game, much less season tickets.

You're absolutely right. I was a season ticket holder between 2001 - 2012 and while those seasons offered lots of disappointment at times, I saw some really awesome players and Mavs teams. I knew when walking into the AAC that the Mavs had a really good chance of winning. Where now, you have zero idea of how the team will play - regardless of who they're playing. I'd just rather spend my time, money and energy into something that I can actually control the outcome of.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

You have a .53% chance of seeing a Mavs win if you attend home games. That's not great. I wouldn't waste my time personally. Between parking$, traffic, concessions$ and the complete toss up whether we win or not, it's not worth it for me for even 1 game, much less season tickets.

I remember when the Mavs once had one of the best HCA in the NBA

The arena used to be rocking from start to finish

I think around 2010 even though they still sold out games the atmosphere just wasn't the same as those early 2000 years

[EricaLubarsky]

Mavs against the West

Utah - 1-2 (two losses early and then a big win)
Suns 0-3 (swept)
Clippers 2-1 (early blowout and good win later)
Nuggets 2-1
Lakers 2-1 (0-1 healthy, 2-0 without LeBron)
Portland 1-2
Memphis 2-0
San Antonio 2-1
Warriors 2-1

[Some Guy]

With the right contract, THJ has value, and it is hard to make trades if you just let players with value leave because they aren't perfect. Letting him walk so they can sign someone better, or because he would cost too much, is reasonable. But saying you want him gone no matter what does not make sense.
He's a good player for what he is. The problem is that we expect too much, and the Mavs rely on him too much (and currently pay too much), for what he is.


I'm disappointed by JRich also, but this is the worst he has ever looked, which gives me hope that he could turn it around after a proper offseason/pre-season. Has he really gotten worse as a player, or is something else wrong (fit, coaching, lack of comfort)?
The last few games have shown me that playing Josh Green instead of Josh Richardson does not help them win this season - Richardson is better today, but Green has the potential to be much better in time. I would be okay with moving on to Green, but I can see why a team fighting for the playoffs would not.

[washedklean77]

So I never thought that I'd root for the Nets in 2021, but I love them tonight. Please beat Portland!

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by washedklean77

So I never thought that I'd root for the Nets in 2021, but I love them tonight. Please beat Portland!

Brooklyn resting six guys

Bleh

[EricaLubarsky]

Bobby Karalla
@bobbykaralla
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Since Feb. 5 they're fifth in the league (.667). Only Phoenix, Denver, Brooklyn, and Utah have a higher win percentage in that time

[MFFL]

The Mavs can seed anywhere from 5 to 9 (9th would happen if we are in the play-in and lose both games)

[sefant77]

Good for us: Lakers and Blazers still play each other. Blazers schedule is also just brutal if they dont catch several rest breaks like against the Nets.

But i really want the series against the Nuggets, this would be so much fun between Luka and Joker. Really dont want another series against the Clippers douche entourage. Let them douche it out against the Lakers, that would be fun too.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Good for us: Lakers and Blazers still play each other. Blazers schedule is also just brutal if they dont catch several rest breaks like against the Nets.

But i really want the series against the Nuggets, this would be so much fun between Luka and Joker. Really dont want another series against the Clippers douche entourage. Let them douche it out against the Lakers, that would be fun too.

That is best case scenario that I can see, gives us a decent chance to compete in a series and gives fans 2 high entertainment value series.

[Dallas41]

Here comes the Mavs kryptonite tomorrow the Kings

Can't really understand why they have struggled vs this team especially on offense since the Kings are one the worst defensive teams in the league

[EricaLubarsky]

[sefant77]

Collins is a trade target, not a free agency target

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Collins is a trade target, not a free agency target

Hawks WILL 100% give him the QO and will match basically any offer when he's a restricted FA-- including the max. If he gets an offer above what they want to pay, they may consider an SNT trade, though.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Collins is a trade target, not a free agency target

I think Bagley might be cheaper to get

He doesn't have Collins range but he does a few other things much better like rebound and score in the post.

IN fact a combination of Bagley and Brogdon via trades could really infuse some real talent on this roster

Luka
Brogdon
DFS
Bagley
KP

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I think Bagley might be cheaper to get

He doesn't have Collins range but he does a few other things much better like rebound and score in the post.

Count me out. We want to pair a glass KP with a glass Bagley? I'm already frustrated with KP I don't want another injury prone guy that I need to rely on.

He has talent but he also just played against maybe the weakest defensive frontcourt he's going to see.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Count me out. We want to pair a glass KP with a glass Bagley? I'm already frustrated with KP I don't want another injury prone guy that I need to rely on.

He has talent but he also just played against maybe the weakest defensive frontcourt he's going to see.

He's actually scored well all year

Yes he does bring some injury concerns but not at the same level as KP.

You can compare him to Towns somewhat because they both miss games a lot but not do to serious injury.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

He's actually scored well all year

Yes he does bring some injury concerns but not at the same level as KP.

You can compare him to Towns somewhat because they both miss games a lot but not do to serious injury.

I'd argue it's just as bad as KP. He hasn't had the dreaded acl but he's has bone bruise, thumb fracture, broken hand, heel strain, heel strain x2 and that's just off the top of my head from when I had him in fantasy.

He has missed 110 or so games. He has played in 114. That doesn't concern you as much as KP? 50% availability across 3 years?

[SMC0007]

Does the tech limit continue into the POs? I know the tech limit is different in the POs but I can't remember if it carries over.