2018 NBA Draft

[Underdog]

Memphis going all-in on Gasol/Conley, open to trading their pick to win now... I wonder if they'd go for a trade along these lines (with possible moving parts):

Dallas gets Chandler Parsons, #4 pick.
Memphis gets Harrison Barnes, 2019 1st round pick.

Parsons and Barnes have the exact same contract, we would give up next year's pick to add #4 to our #5 pick in this year's draft... Would you do it?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Memphis going all-in on Gasol/Conley, open to trading their pick to win now... I wonder if they'd go for a trade along these lines (with possible moving parts):

Dallas gets Chandler Parsons, #4 pick.
Memphis gets Harrison Barnes, 2019 1st round pick.

Parsons and Barnes have the exact same contract, we would give up next year's pick to get the #4 and #5 picks in this year's draft... Would you do it?

Yes, without question.

Any new rumors about them trading their pick?

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Memphis going all-in on Gasol/Conley, open to trading their pick to win now... I wonder if they'd go for a trade along these lines (with possible moving parts):

Dallas gets Chandler Parsons, #4 pick.
Memphis gets Harrison Barnes, 2019 1st round pick.

Parsons and Barnes have the exact same contract, we would give up next year's pick to add #4 to our #5 pick in this year's draft... Would you do it?

In a heartbeat. The question is: would Memphis. They’d have to really like Barnes. And they would be getting back the pick they’re losing next year and getting off that hideous Parsons deal. Still, don’t see them doing it

[Underdog]

Here are some versions with more moving parts...


@KohlRastman67: Here’s the first one:

Mavs get: Chandler Parsons, Ben McLemore, 4th overall pick

Grizzlies get Harrison Barnes, 2019 Mavs first rounder with protection, 33rd pick in 2018


@KohlRastman67: And this is the 2nd one:

Dallas gets: Parsons, McLemore, Mason Plumlee, 4th overall pick

Memphis gets: Barnes, Wilson Chandler (or Kenneth Faried), protected Mavs 2019 pick, Mavs 2nd round pick (#33), and Nuggets 2nd rounder (#58)

Denver gets: Wesley Matthews, JaMychal Green

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by mac222b

In a heartbeat. The question is: would Memphis. They’d have to really like Barnes. And they would be getting back the pick they’re losing next year and getting off that hideous Parsons deal. Still, don’t see them doing it

Seems like a great trade for both sides. Like you, I doubt it happens. Fantastic proposition though. Hard to imagine we are a playoff team next year with two rookies starting. Grizzlies are unloaded with the Parsons catastrophe. And they get a solid player to win now with. If I'm the Grizzlies I take it. And plenty of upside if you believe in this year's draft class to get guys in your organization to start the development process NOW vs delaying for 3-4 years of picks.

Can you imagine DSJ, MPJ, and Bamba/JJJ as our core moving forward? Would take a few years but you got it all right there. Even if you don't think MPJ back is ok, you might still end up with DSJ, Bagley, and Bamba. Monster lineup lol.

[Underdog]

DHWS is right, I'm an addict... I brought up this trade proposal recently:

Originally Posted by Underdog

Memphis going all-in on Gasol/Conley, open to trading their pick to win now... I wonder if they'd go for a trade along these lines (with possible moving parts):

Dallas gets Chandler Parsons, #4 pick.
Memphis gets Harrison Barnes, 2019 1st round pick.

Parsons and Barnes have the exact same contract, we would give up next year's pick to add #4 to our #5 pick in this year's draft... Would you do it?

Now BlazersEdge is suggesting something similar:

Dallas gets Chandler Parsons, Evan Turner, #4 pick.
Portland gets Wesley Matthews.
Memphis gets Harrison Barnes, Dallas’ 2019 first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2019, top-five protected in 2020), Portland’s No. 24 pick in 2018.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/5/2...raft-grizzlies

Would you do it? It's pretty much the same deal I proposed, except we trade 1 year of Wes for 2 years of Turner... But you still have the #4/5 picks in this draft and it sweetens the deal a bit more for Memphis to pull the trigger (Portland would be all over this, since it frees up 2019 cap space and brings back a 3&D fan favorite).

[FreshJive]

Saw this in an article about Doncic
https://94feetreport.com/luka-doncic...y-9ef7ba9c4368

“Because I’m a typical American that knew very little about international basketball, I did some research a while back to help contextualize his playing environment. I found that Euroleague currently consists of 16 teams with:

21 former 1st round picks
46 former 2nd round picks
167 undrafted players
46 players eligible for future drafts

All-in-all, about 25% of the league either has been drafted by an NBA team or will be in the future. Compare that to the NCAA where less than 3% of all players are on the NBA draft radar. Even if you just consider major conference teams, only around 10% of players are NBA prospects. The average center on an NCAA team is 6’9”. The average Euroleague roster has 3 players 6’10” or taller (and most have a 7-footer). “

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

All-in-all, about 25% of the league either has been drafted by an NBA team or will be in the future. Compare that to the NCAA where less than 3% of all players are on the NBA draft radar.

Those percentages are ridiculously misleading...

16 EuroLeague teams comprised of 16 players each = 256 total players

337 Division I teams comprised of 15 players each = 5,055 total players


So if 25% of EuroLeague players are former/future NBA draftees that's 64 players (which doesn't line up with his numbers, but whatever), whereas if 3% of the NCAA players are on the "draft radar" that's 152 total... And the churn is a lot higher in the NCAA with so many one-and-done guys getting drafted each year, versus EuroLeague where the same "former NBA draftee" can stick around for years, and thus be counted toward the same percentage over and over.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Those percentages are ridiculously misleading...

16 EuroLeague teams comprised of 16 players each = 256 total players

352 NCAA teams comprised of 15 players each = 5,280 total players


So if 25% of EuroLeague players are former/future NBA draftees that's 64 players (which doesn't line up with his numbers, but whatever), whereas if 3% of the NCAA players are on the "draft radar" that's 158 total... And the churn is a lot higher in the NCAA with so many one-and-done guys getting drafted each year, versus EuroLeague where the same "former NBA draftee" can stick around for years (and thus be counted toward the same percentage over and over).

It’s actually 26% if you just count the formers using the 256 number. He says “about” 25%. I don’t know why you think the total is important. It’s not like college players are playing against all 158 of those on the radar players. They are playing against a diluted talent pool just like Doncic.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by FreshJive

It’s actually 26% if you just count the formers using the 256 number. He says “about” 25%. I don’t know why you think the total is important. It’s not like college players are playing against all 158 of those on the radar players. They are playing against a diluted talent pool just like Doncic.

Doncic is playing the same 15 teams over & over -- the talent in Europe is concentrated as hell... And he's beating guys who couldn't stick or get into the NBA 5-10 years ago and still can't. Is winning against Nick Calathes, Rudy Fernandez, and Roddy Beaubois supposed to impress me? These Euros washed out in the first place because their game doesn't translate to the NBA as well as NCAA... How many prospective NBA draftees is Doncic beating each night? I bet none of those teams are as stacked with future NBA players as Duke, Villanova, Michigan State, Arizona, Kentucky, etc... The top-end talent in the NCAA is heads & shoulders above EuroLeague.

And that's my problem with Doncic -- once you look past the narrative that he's "dominating the second-best league in the world" the tape isn't as impressive as the hype... Sure, the highlights are pretty, but the kid's game isn't as complete as a lot of other players at the top of the draft. Doncic takes a lot of plays off, especially when the ball isn't in his hands. He certainly doesn't display the same energy as Bagley or Jackson, nor is he as physically gifted as Ayton, Bamba, Young, or a healthy Porter, nor is his IQ as high as Bridges... He's an excellent player, but putting him on a pedestal because of what he's done in Europe seems misguided.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Yes to anything that gets us that number 4 pick without giving up DSJ. I'm done with plan powder and want plan youth development. Mavs are likely still gonna be bad for a while, so having three top picks from two drafts would be plan A,B,C,D, and F.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Well take Bagley as an example of NCAA competition... His toughest challenge was probably Michigan state or Texas because of JJJ+Miles and Bamba. Well he played 10mins against Michigan state and he thoroughly dominated Bamba. The only other 1st round talent he played against was what... Lonnie Walker? A guard? Bamba played Bagley... Sexton and Trae Young as the only other 1st round talents.

Duke had the 17th hardest schedule according to CBS sports. Yet Bagley's only real matchup was against Bamba one time. And since he didn't play against Michigan State his best "team" opponent was maybe UNC or Kansas in the tourney? Kansas's best player to me was Newman and the only way he sticks in the NBA is if he can learn to play some point, otherwise I just doubt he sticks. And UNC... well Luke Maye is returning for his senior season because he might have gone undrafted or at best the very tail end of the 2nd.

On a game by game basis Idk how College remotely stacks up. There will be the one or 2 games that put 2 great prospects against each other but of the 30 games these guys play, a good 25 of them they probably aren't being guarded by someone who has a remote chance in hell at playing competitively at any level beyond college. If Bagley and Bamba's only competition in terms of nba talent guarding them was 1 game against each other then they may as well just post a workout video in a gym tbh. It's why I'm a major proponent of stopping the stupid one and done rule.

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Doncic is playing the same 15 teams over & over -- the talent in Europe is concentrated as hell... And he's beating guys who couldn't stick or get into the NBA 5-10 years ago and still can't. Is winning against Nick Calathes, Rudy Fernandez, and Roddy Beaubois supposed to impress me? These Euros washed out in the first place because their game doesn't translate to the NBA as well as NCAA... How many prospective NBA draftees is Doncic beating each night? I bet none of those teams are as stacked with future NBA players as Duke, Villanova, Michigan State, Arizona, Kentucky, etc... The top-end talent in the NCAA is heads & shoulders above EuroLeague.

And that's my problem with Doncic -- once you look past the narrative that he's "dominating the second-best league in the world" the tape isn't as impressive as the hype... Sure, the highlights are pretty, but the kid's game isn't as complete as a lot of other players at the top of the draft. Doncic takes a lot of plays off, especially when the ball isn't in his hands. He certainly doesn't display the same energy as Bagley or Jackson, nor is he as physically gifted as Ayton, Bamba, Young, or a healthy Porter, nor is his IQ as high as Bridges... He's an excellent player, but putting him on a pedestal because of what he's done in Europe seems misguided.

The difference in the NCAA is you play a lot more games against weak talent than the "top end" talent. Sure if the top 20 players played each other 10+ times a year you might be able to make this argument. They don't. And are you really so tainted against the EURO league that you would believe those guys wouldn't dominate 99.95% of NCAA teams?

No one is saying Euro is close to the NBA. We are simply saying it is a better indicator than 99% of the NCAA. They might not of been able to stick around in the NBA. But these guys were VERY good in the NCAA and top prospects at one time.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Underdog

DHWS is right, I'm an addict... I brought up this trade proposal recently:



Now BlazersEdge is suggesting something similar:

Dallas gets Chandler Parsons, Evan Turner, #4 pick.
Portland gets Wesley Matthews.
Memphis gets Harrison Barnes, Dallas’ 2019 first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2019, top-five protected in 2020), Portland’s No. 24 pick in 2018.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/5/2...raft-grizzlies

Would you do it? It's pretty much the same deal I proposed, except we trade 1 year of Wes for 2 years of Turner... But you still have the #4/5 picks in this draft and it sweetens the deal a bit more for Memphis to pull the trigger (Portland would be all over this, since it frees up 2019 cap space and brings back a 3&D fan favorite).

Yes, please

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Underdog

DHWS is right, I'm an addict... I brought up this trade proposal recently:



Now BlazersEdge is suggesting something similar:

Dallas gets Chandler Parsons, Evan Turner, #4 pick.
Portland gets Wesley Matthews.
Memphis gets Harrison Barnes, Dallas’ 2019 first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2019, top-five protected in 2020), Portland’s No. 24 pick in 2018.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/5/2...raft-grizzlies

Would you do it? It's pretty much the same deal I proposed, except we trade 1 year of Wes for 2 years of Turner... But you still have the #4/5 picks in this draft and it sweetens the deal a bit more for Memphis to pull the trigger (Portland would be all over this, since it frees up 2019 cap space and brings back a 3&D fan favorite).

The FO wants to go back to winning, i just dont see them trading Barnes and swallow a lot of garbage contracts for #4.

Just if JJJ, Porter and Bamba ALL absolutly killing the workouts and they think that each of this player is a future allstar etc. Maybe then...but again: then they probably kill their workout with the Grizzlies too and the Grizz wont do the trade

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sefant77

The FO wants to go back to winning, i just dont see them trading Barnes and swallow a lot of garbage contracts for #4.

Just if JJJ, Porter and Bamba ALL absolutly killing the workouts and they think that each of this player is a future allstar etc. Maybe then...but again: then they probably kill their workout with the Grizzlies too and the Grizz wont do the trade

Grizz are in win-now mode with Gasol/Conley still under contract for the next couple years... If not for the Conley injury, they would have been one Harrison Barnes away from pushing for a high seed last season. I think they're desperate to undo the damage Chandler Parsons has done to their franchise.

From the Mavs perspective, I don't see any harm in swallowing two years of Parsons/Turner for the #4 pick -- we're several seasons away from competing anyway. What talent we have/will have is going to take more time to develop than Barnes has years left on his contract.