2014 Offseason Thread - Page 13 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

tsar · 06-30-2014, 12:14 PM

So there are rumors or 'sources' as ESPN is reporting that Lebron wants a max deal. We're one of the few teams that would be able to offer it. I know Cuban said "no max deals" but it's Lebron after all.... hmmm

sefant77 · 06-30-2014, 12:16 PM

Pau gonna receive a lot of interests, specially the teams with cap space in 2015 because they think he is a great asset to true prize Marc Gasol next summer.

Thats why the Knicks are so crazy to get Pau...

Melonhead · 06-30-2014, 12:18 PM

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Pau gonna receive a lot of interests, specially the teams with cap space in 2015 because they think he is a great asset to true prize Marc Gasol next summer.

Thats why the Knicks are so crazy to get Pau...

Phil Jackson thinks he can work some of his jedi mind tricks and getting Pau to take 5m

Underdog · 06-30-2014, 12:55 PM

I made a list of FAs that aren't getting a ton of media hype on the previous page, and of the UFAs, Jordan Hills was definitely a name that stuck out to me.

He's an excellent rebounder and above-average defender, but he's also coming off a career season where he improved his effectiveness around the basket and developed a decent pick-and-roll game, despite the shaky guard play in LA. The only major concern I'd have with him is his durability, as he hasn't played more than 72 games in a season over his 5 year career... Sounds like he's looking to take the MLE, which seems about right for a backup 4/5 of his caliber. He's young and should be able to improve under Carlisle, which could be a breath of fresh air after playing for D'Antoni.

Underdog · 06-30-2014, 01:03 PM

Other UFAs flying under the radar that could be interesting adds on the cheap: DJ Augustin, Josh McRoberts and Channing Frye.

MavzMan · 06-30-2014, 01:17 PM

Jordan Hill is a player that I really like and he's not "another Wright". He plays defense, rebounds, and gives max effort, basically all the things we wish Wright would do. Now given that, he looks good against other teams 2nd stringers and i don't think he's worth a full MLE in today's NBA market where the middle class is being pushed out. I would guess somewhere in the $2-3 range honestly is a decent price for him.

Underdog · 06-30-2014, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

Jordan Hill is a player that I really like and he's not "another Wright". He plays defense, rebounds, and gives max effort, basically all the things we wish Wright would do. Now given that, he looks good against other teams 2nd stringers and i don't think he's worth a full MLE in today's NBA market where the middle class is being pushed out. I would guess somewhere in the $2-3 range honestly is a decent price for him.

Do we qualify for the full MLE? I was thinking more the 3/3, not the 5/4... Although if Wright is worth $5m per, then wouldn't a "things we wish Wright would do" Hill be as well?

rimrocker · 06-30-2014, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

Jordan Hill is a player that I really like and he's not "another Wright". He plays defense, rebounds, and gives max effort, basically all the things we wish Wright would do. Now given that, he looks good against other teams 2nd stringers and i don't think he's worth a full MLE in today's NBA market where the middle class is being pushed out. I would guess somewhere in the $2-3 range honestly is a decent price for him.

Not comparing the skills as much as the role...be careful what you quote. Unless he is more of a center than I realize, or the Mavs plan to move Wright, I'd rather not have the two of them together on the team when other more pressing areas need to be addressed.

Underdog · 06-30-2014, 01:36 PM

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Not comparing the skills as much as the role. Unless he is more of a center than I realize, or the Mavs plan to move Wright, I'd rather not have the two of them together on the team when other more pressing areas need to be addressed.

I'm pretty sure Wright would be on the outs (or already gone) if we got Hill... If for no other reason than because we can't afford to throw that much money at our bigs with glaring holes at the 1 and 3.

rimrocker · 06-30-2014, 02:06 PM

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I'm pretty sure Wright would be on the outs (or already gone) if we got Hill... If for no other reason than because we can't afford to throw that much money at our bigs with glaring holes at the 1 and 3.

Agree...I'd see Chandler/Wright/Hill as a better version of Dalembert/Wright/Blair but we really need a legit backup center imo. I'm okay with a 4/5 guy as a backup for Dirk but not for Chandler. I consider Wright, Hill and Blair all 4/5 guys.

And yes, we definitely need to use our cap space wisely by addressing PG and SF before addressing a backup PF/C.

Melonhead · 06-30-2014, 02:17 PM

Would love to add Frye if Mavs are striking out on the big names. Portland is looking hard at him. At least hes a priority according to Lillard.

Underdog · 06-30-2014, 01:53 PM

Since every FA is linked to Dallas, throw Ariza's name on the pile too...

Mavericks among teams after Trevor Ariza

grndmstr_c · 06-30-2014, 04:17 PM

Ed Davis? Memphis not extending the QO, so he'll be a UFA.

Underdog · 06-30-2014, 05:01 PM

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Ed Davis? Memphis not extending the QO, so he'll be a UFA.

I'm not all that familiar with his game... Care to share why you'd be interested?

grndmstr_c · 06-30-2014, 05:18 PM

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I'm not all that familiar with his game... Care to share why you'd be interested?

I don't have a real strong read on him either. Very good inside finisher, 15' range, acceptable rebounder/shot-blocker is about all I could tell you. Was just looking at him as inexpensive center depth with some growth potential in the event that Wright gets traded.

yahyes · 06-30-2014, 06:28 PM

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I'm not all that familiar with his game... Care to share why you'd be interested?

Ed Davis is primarily a role player. Tough around the rim for rebounds. He's less athletic than Wright. But can post up in the paint. Hasn't done much since his first years in Toronto. But he'll be incredibly cheap.

mac222b · 07-01-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Ed Davis? Memphis not extending the QO, so he'll be a UFA.

I think of him as an old school PF type. Good rebounder and like the way he finishes around them rim. Would depend on price and how he did matched up against centers.

purplefrog · 07-01-2014, 01:47 PM

Not sure how reliable this source might be but here you go on Vince and Devin.

http://fansided.com/2014/07/01/dalla...ntract/#!6XbMX

grndmstr_c · 07-01-2014, 01:57 PM

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Not sure how reliable this source might be but here you go on Vince and Devin.

http://fansided.com/2014/07/01/dalla...ntract/#!6XbMX

That comes from Sefko. I take it as a sign that in the event that Carmelo doesn't choose Dallas, the Mavs are at least on the same page with Vince and Devin contractually.

purplefrog · 07-01-2014, 02:02 PM

This is the part that interests me. Would the MBT go over the cap in order to re-sign VC and DH?

"It’s not known what type of contracts the Mavericks will be willing to pay either player but once Nowitzki and a desired free agent are on the books, the Mavericks can then go over the cap to retain both Carter and Harris (if they so incline) so it won’t be a question of money for the Mavericks (though it really never is)."

Melonhead · 06-30-2014, 04:27 PM

Pacers arent extending qualifying offer on Evan Turner. Will be unrestricted FA at 12:01am

Marc Spears twitter

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-30-2014, 05:57 PM

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Pacers arent extending qualifying offer on Evan Turner. Will be unrestricted FA at 12:01am

Marc Spears twitter

If only Turner was a better defender, but I like him if his price drops dramatically (which seems likely).

EricaLubarsky · 06-30-2014, 06:22 PM

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If only Turner was a better defender, but I like him if his price drops dramatically (which seems likely).

Seriously. At 3-4mill I'd take him as a 6th man. As it is, he'd probably going to get 6-8mill. I like the kid's skillset, but his defense, lack of rebounding, low FG%, etc all make him a better candidate for coming off the bench

34th in PER among SFs
33rd in rebounding rate among SFs
54th in TS% among SFs
12th worst SF in TOs
26th among SFs in value added

All of those make the case that he's a decent backup, but not even an average starter.

Melonhead · 06-30-2014, 06:34 PM

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Seriously. At 3-4mill I'd take him as a 6th man. As it is, he'd probably going to get 6-8mill. I like the kid's skillset, but his defense, lack of rebounding, low FG%, etc all make him a better candidate for coming off the bench

34th in PER among SFs
33rd in rebounding rate among SFs
54th in TS% among SFs
12th worst SF in TOs
26th among SFs in value added

All of those make the case that he's a decent backup, but not even an average starter.

yeah 4m seems like the ceiling for me. No way would I be down for 6-8.

LSMF · 06-30-2014, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Seriously. At 3-4mill I'd take him as a 6th man. As it is, he'd probably going to get 6-8mill. I like the kid's skillset, but his defense, lack of rebounding, low FG%, etc all make him a better candidate for coming off the bench

34th in PER among SFs
33rd in rebounding rate among SFs
54th in TS% among SFs
12th worst SF in TOs
26th among SFs in value added

All of those make the case that he's a decent backup, but not even an average starter.

Wasn't Turner one of the main culprits for the implosion of the Indiana Pacers last season? I don't know if that's true but I recall hearing that a few times, I don't know if anyone can clarify this?

Melonhead · 06-30-2014, 06:45 PM

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Wasn't Turner one of the main culprits for the implosion of the Indiana Pacers last season? I don't know if that's true but I recall hearing that a few times, I don't know if anyone can clarify this?

You mean Lance Stephenson, who likes to start fights with multiple players, including Turner.

Underdog · 06-30-2014, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Pacers arent extending qualifying offer on Evan Turner. Will be unrestricted FA at 12:01am

Marc Spears twitter

Followill thinks Indy is letting him walk so they can retain Stephenson...

hayth.james.g · 06-30-2014, 09:30 PM

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Followill thinks Indy is letting him walk so they can retain Stephenson...

Yeah I mean its the only thing that makes sense to me. I am very curious on what actual changes they are going to invoke to keep that locker room from imploding again.

Underdog · 06-30-2014, 09:31 PM

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Yeah I mean its the only thing that makes sense to me. I am very curious on what actual changes they are going to invoke to keep that locker room from imploding again.

talent > chemistry

grndmstr_c · 06-30-2014, 09:34 PM

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Followill thinks Indy is letting him walk so they can retain Stephenson...

Might be, but it's worth noting that his QO amount was a lot higher than what he's likely to get on the open market, so there's plenty of motivation for them to not extend it independent of what they plan on offering Lance.

Vinsanity · 06-30-2014, 04:46 PM

I like the idea of a Wright for Hill S&T. Tyson can play Wright's role of catching opps off pick-n-rolls, plus rebound and defend obviously. So getting a guy like Hill who can also rebound and defend would give us a really strong center rotation that compliments Dirk very well. I would only do this though if we'd be paying about the same amount for Hill as we were with Wright ($5mil/per)... can't overpay for him.

Melonhead · 06-30-2014, 04:49 PM

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I like the idea of a Wright for Hill S&T. Tyson can play Wright's role of catching opps off pick-n-rolls, plus rebound and defend obviously. So getting a guy like Hill who can also rebound and defend would give us a really strong center rotation that compliments Dirk very well. I would only do this though if we'd be paying about the same amount for Hill as we were with Wright ($5mil/per)... can't overpay for him.

Think he has plenty of suitors willing to pay more than 5m

yahyes · 06-30-2014, 06:30 PM

Jameer Nelson is free. If I were Donnie. I'd meet with him about his health. He could easily be our starting PG here. Nelson is a good distributor and deadly from the 3 like Calderon was.

EricaLubarsky · 06-30-2014, 06:31 PM

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Jameer Nelson is free. If I were Donnie. I'd meet with him about his health. He could easily be our starting PG here. Nelson is a good distributor and deadly from the 3 like Calderon was.

Nelson 34.8% from three
Caldero 44.9% from three

35% ain't bad (it keeps opponents honest), but it's nowhere near the same.

yahyes · 06-30-2014, 07:12 PM

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Nelson 34.8% from three
Caldero 44.9% from three

35% ain't bad (it keeps opponents honest), but it's nowhere near the same.

Well... Nelson hasn't played a full season since last year I think. Another reason he'd be really cheap.

j0Shi · 06-30-2014, 06:45 PM

Lowry staying in TOR at 12M+.

Quite a number.

grndmstr_c · 06-30-2014, 07:02 PM

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Lowry staying in TOR at 12M+.

Quite a number.

Simmer down, now.

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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @daldridgetnt: Raps very hopeful they can re-sign Lowry. They will make offer shortly after midnight. But there's no deal yet (CO-SIGN)

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-30-2014, 07:09 PM

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Simmer down, now.

Ha, and we've heard so many rumors about the Lowry on the trade block over the past year. FA is going to be very wild.

CapitanObvious · 06-30-2014, 07:21 PM

Can't the Mavs offer Lowry 10M a year then throw 8m to Parsons and be done with it? Will the Cap allow it?

hayth.james.g · 06-30-2014, 07:36 PM

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Can't the Mavs offer Lowry 10M a year then throw 8m to Parsons and be done with it? Will the Cap allow it?

Wouldn't matter.. we aren't getting either one of those players for those numbers.