OFFICIAL 2022 Playoffs round 1 Jazz and Mavs

[Thespiralgoeson]

So, is anyone still mad that we didn't trade Brunson for Oladipo last year?

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

So, is anyone still mad that we didn't trade Brunson for Oladipo last year?

Yuck. Was that a thing?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Yuck. Was that a thing?

That is the first I ever heard of that?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Yuck. Was that a thing?

It was quite a contentious discussion on here, yeah. When Miami got Oladipo last year for Avery Bradley, Kelly Olynyk, and a pick swap, there were a few posters on here that were aghast that the Mavs didn't outbid Miami. They argued that this was the same old Mavs, not being aggressive, standing pat and simply saying "we like our team." The general consensus seemed to be that a deal for Oladipo would require Brunson, a couple of our expiring contracts, and a second round pick or two.

I argued A: Oladipo was just about washed, and B: he had already made it known that he was going to Miami anyway, so if anyone other than Miami got him, it would only be like a 2 month rental, so it made no sense to give up whatever precious, limited assets the Mavs had for him.

[Melonhead]

Someone please update me that punk ass Royce has been suspended

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Someone please update me that punk ass Royce has been suspended

NBA doesn’t give a fuck about the Mavs so no

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Someone please update me that punk ass Royce has been suspended

It was a very smart cheap shot in the sense that there was no wind up, and although we know that he probably targeted the lumbar area, there is no way you can suspend him for that. Not that we would want the NBA to do it, because he is just as bad on defense as Mitchell or Clarkson, or Conley (this version of Conley). It's too bad we have missed a crapton of open shots once again.

[BPo001]

Dallas Mavericks PR: Frank Ntilikina (illness recovery) is questionable for Game 5 against the Jazz. Tim Hardaway Jr. (left foot surgery) will remain out. – via Twitter MavsPR

[DevinHarriswillstart]

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[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

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This just means the league and the refs have faith in those 3 teams including us. So obviously in game 7 at home, we will get allllthe calls.

[Dallas41]

Is Brunson gone because of his Dad?

"We've got to figure out if Dallas wants him. Not words," Rick Brunson says. "Ain't no discount. So don't put it on us. Don't tell me you love me. Show me."

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Is Brunson gone because of his Dad?

"We've got to figure out if Dallas wants him. Not words," Rick Brunson says. "Ain't no discount. So don't put it on us. Don't tell me you love me. Show me."

The Knicks, who could give Brunson the opportunity to be a full-time primary ball handler, need to shed salary to have the flexibility to sign him but could feasibly create $20 million or more in cap space. League sources say the Mavs have no intention of cooperating in potential sign-and-trade scenarios. 6 hours ago – via Tim MacMahon @ ESPN

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by BPo001

The Knicks, who could give Brunson the opportunity to be a full-time primary ball handler, need to shed salary to have the flexibility to sign him but could feasibly create $20 million or more in cap space. League sources say the Mavs have no intention of cooperating in potential sign-and-trade scenarios. 6 hours ago – via Tim MacMahon @ ESPN

Mavs need to do the honorable thing and pay JB $20M+/yr of Mark Cuban's money (did you ever think you would see the words "honorable" and "Mark Cuban" in the same sentence?). Cuban can afford it and JB is worth it. I don't care how much luxury tax he will have to pay. Put up or shut up Mark.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

The Knicks, who could give Brunson the opportunity to be a full-time primary ball handler, need to shed salary to have the flexibility to sign him but could feasibly create $20 million or more in cap space. League sources say the Mavs have no intention of cooperating in potential sign-and-trade scenarios. 6 hours ago – via Tim MacMahon @ ESPN

Teams always find a way to shed salary if need be. All they need is a yes from him, and they'll do it.

So the Mavs posturing they won't work out a S&T if their backs are against the wall is ridiculous. And it reeks of continued poor management.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Teams always find a way to shed salary if need be. All they need is a yes from him, and they'll do it.

So the Mavs posturing they won't work out a S&T if their backs are against the wall is ridiculous. And it reeks of continued poor management.

How would you rather them answer that line of questioning, by tipping their hand and potentially further muddy relations with Brunson and his team, during the playoffs? This is all the Knicks have to focus on and talk about, so the rumors and any "indications" at this point are not worthy. The discussions with Brunson haven't even heated up yet at this point for the Mavs, and that's a good thing. One focus.

[purplefrog]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...y-implications

Since Mavs are the only team that can give him a five year deal, JB should be a Mavs for at least that duration...unless Cuban tries to get cute. I would start the bidding at 5 years and $100M. Might have to go 5 and $125M. Doesn't matter, the alternative is a huge step backwards.

[EricaLubarsky]

Seems like he just wants to get Jalen his money and Jalen is going to be more Nash than Dirk.

Nash 100% would have stayed if we 100% didn't stiff him.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Someone with positive mojo start the GDT.

[Dallas41]

NBA Rumors: Mavs Tried to Trade Jalen Brunson, Picks to Draft Tyrese Haliburton
Dallas is still probably happy it held on to Brunson, who has taken a significant leap over the past two years.

The guard finished fourth in Sixth Man of the Year voting last season and averaged 16.3 points, 4.8 assists and 3.9 rebounds per game in 2021-22. He has stood out in the playoffs with an average of 29.8 points across four games, including a 41-point effort in a Game 2 win with Luka Doncic injured.

Dallas heads into Monday tied 2-2 with the Utah Jazz in the first-round series, but the team might've already been eliminated without Brunson's heroics.

The question for the Mavericks is if they can keep the 25-year-old when he hits free agency in the offseason.

As far as the 2020 draft, the team would have been in even better shape if it kept Brunson and used the 18th pick on Tyrese Maxey, Saddiq Bey or Desmond Bane.

[Dallas41]

Donovan Mitchell's MRI negative; Utah Jazz hopeful he plays

An MRI on Tuesday on Utah Jazz star shooting guard Donovan Mitchell's left hamstring was negative, the team announced.

Mitchell has bilateral quadriceps contusions and will continue treatment, according to the Jazz. Sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski that there is optimism that Mitchell will be available for Game 6 on Thursday at home against the Dallas Mavericks, when the Jazz are facing elimination.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Man, do we want him to play or sit? Feel he's been mostly detrimental to his team this series, but his talent still warrants attention.

If he sits though, then DFS can focus on Clarkson.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Man, do we want him to play or sit? Feel he's been mostly detrimental to his team this series, but his talent still warrants attention.

If he sits though, then DFS can focus on Clarkson.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I would rather Mitchell sit if you're talking Mavs best chance to win. Dude is explosive and really good, essentially taking their best player away despite how he's played so far in this series.

[Dallas41]

The more you watch D.Banes in these playoffs the more you can't help but think the Mavs really fucked up in that draft.

I mean this kid is terrific.

He might not have played much under RC but after watching this Memphis playoff series I can only imagine under Kidd what this dude would have looked like next to Luka and Brunson.

That would have been an awesome trio built through the draft when think about it

[FreshJive]

Luka is the best player in the league, and Nico and Kidd will figure this out.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

The more you watch D.Banes in these playoffs the more you can't help but think the Mavs really fucked up in that draft.

I mean this kid is terrific.

He might not have played much under RC but after watching this Memphis playoff series I can only imagine under Kidd what this dude would have looked like next to Luka and Brunson.

That would have been an awesome trio built through the draft when think about it

I thought the same thing last night watching the game. Luckily Green has looked serviceable, but Bane would be terrific. I’ll admit I wanted Saddiq Bey who also would be a good fit IMO.

[tap2390]

Jesus... just now reading that article.

So we tried to trade JB for Tyrese Haliburton in the 2020 draft.

We didn't extend JB in the offseason at a much lower price.

Didn't extend him midseason at a much lower price.

Cuban made his bed and now has to lay in it. Pay the man or sell the team to someone who will.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Jesus... just now reading that article.

So we tried to trade JB for Tyrese Haliburton in the 2020 draft.

We didn't extend JB in the offseason at a much lower price.

Didn't extend him midseason at a much lower price.

Cuban made his bed and now has to lay in it. Pay the man or sell the team to someone who will.

I understand about the Haliburton offer - Haliburton is a special player. I understand why we didn't extend during the offseason - JB had a bad series against the Clippers and our GM was brand new.

But the midseason extension is a joke. We would have had to make him the same offer as DFS (by league rules). There is no way that JB would have accepted that offer so I understand why the team didn't make him an insulting offer like that.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by MFFL

I understand about the Haliburton offer - Haliburton is a special player. I understand why we didn't extend during the offseason - JB had a bad series against the Clippers and our GM was brand new.

But the midseason extension is a joke. We would have had to make him the same offer as DFS (by league rules). There is no way that JB would have accepted that offer so I understand why the team didn't make him an insulting offer like that.

I got a different impression from Brunson's dad in the article. Sounds like they may have been open to signing the extension mid-season and not insulted at all?

...

"I told him once the season is started, that's it," Rick Brunson says. "I told the Mavericks, 'Once the season is started, there's no contract talk,' and I went back against my word. In January, I thought he did enough where he deserved [the extension]. I said, 'Hey, take the money, man.' He wants security. He wants to live here. And they declined.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I don't really care about giving JB a low ball offer anyway. Pay the man what he is worth. This isn't hard.

[mac222b]

Yeah, no way JB would’ve taken the mid season extension. But there were other screw-ups along the way, for certain. Should’ve locked him up after the Clippers. Buy low. They were also trying to sell low (Brunson and pick #18 most likely) for Halliburton who, great as he is, that’s an overpay.

[purplefrog]

It's really just up to Cuban right now. Mavs are the only team that can offer the fifth year, so they are in the driver's seat. We will see if Mark is a cheapskate or someone committed to building a championship team. This is actually a pretty interesting test to see his true colors. There seems to be no advantage from a salary cap point of view to not match any offer given to JB and add the fifth year. So, put up or shut up Mark. All that is on the line is your money.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

It's really just up to Cuban right now. Mavs are the only team that can offer the fifth year, so they are in the driver's seat. We will see if Mark is a cheapskate or someone committed to building a championship team. This is actually a pretty interesting test to see his true colors. There seems to be no advantage from a salary cap point of view to not match any offer given to JB and add the fifth year. So, put up or shut up Mark. All that is on the line is your money.

He has to. Assuming Jalen wants to be here. It would be a REALLY bad look for one of Luka’s best buds and our 2nd best player to walk for nothing. Cuban may be an idiot but he’s not a fool. If Jalen walks for nothing it’s step one to Luka being out the door.

[EricaLubarsky]

Cuban may be that stupid, but Nico isn't.

Mavs rejecting Brunson's extension is a bad look for sure.

I think the talk about rejecting SnTs is all talk meant to increase his return.

[BPo001]

Since Cuban has repeatedly admitted letting Nash walk was a mistake I’d hope it wouldn’t happen him with JB. I’d hope JB would at least allow Cuban to match any offer he gets in FA before signing anything.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Since Cuban has repeatedly admitted letting Nash walk was a mistake I’d hope it wouldn’t happen him with JB. I’d hope JB would at least allow Cuban to match any offer he gets in FA before signing anything.

Cuban also said he wouldn't make the mistake of breaking up Luka and KP like he did Dirk and Nash. What a person says today doesn't apply to tomorrow. Not in the NBA at least.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Cuban also said he wouldn't make the mistake of breaking up Luka and KP like he did Dirk and Nash. What a person says today doesn't apply to tomorrow. Not in the NBA at least.

in this case props to him or whoever pulled the trigger for moving on from what was a mistake.

[EricaLubarsky]

I think the odds of JB not returning are higher than people think.

Mavs are in the tax with or without JB. Re-signing Brunson to 20-25 would put us in absolute cap hell and guarantee a repeat tax and severe league punishments.

I'd like to think Cuban would pay, but you never know. If we somehow lose in the first round again, then the odds are much lower.

That's why I think our draft pick is so important. Having cheap players on rookie contracts really helps. We may trade that pick for some cap relief, though. Dumping THJ/Bertans would definitely help.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I think the odds of JB not returning are higher than people think.

Mavs are in the tax with or without JB. Re-signing Brunson to 20-25 would put us in absolute cap hell and guarantee a repeat tax and severe league punishments.

I'd like to think Cuban would pay, but you never know. If we somehow lose in the first round again, then the odds are much lower.

That's why I think our draft pick is so important. Having cheap players on rookie contracts really helps. We may trade that pick for some cap relief, though. Dumping THJ/Bertans would definitely help.

I think we will keep JB and dump THJ or Bertans with our pick as you said. Maybe can offload Sterling Brown or Burke saves a little too? I think Cuban just needs to pay up and then we have a couple contracts coming off Summer of ‘23 right? Maxi, Powell, Burke and Brown?

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I think the odds of JB not returning are higher than people think.

Mavs are in the tax with or without JB. Re-signing Brunson to 20-25 would put us in absolute cap hell and guarantee a repeat tax and severe league punishments.

I'd like to think Cuban would pay, but you never know. If we somehow lose in the first round again, then the odds are much lower.

That's why I think our draft pick is so important. Having cheap players on rookie contracts really helps. We may trade that pick for some cap relief, though. Dumping THJ/Bertans would definitely help.

I am by no means a salary cap guru or even have a working knowledge of how the convoluted system works, but it seems to me that Powell + Kleber = $20M that is only committed for 2022-2023. Boban + Sterling Brown + Frank = another $6-7M that goes off the books in that same timeframe. So, wouldn't the extreme tax only be for one year?

[purplefrog]

Besides, GSW and Brooklyn are both currently $170M+ in team salary (Mavs would be in similar territory next season if they pay JB $20M next year and then give him salary increases for each additional year for a total of five years). Seems to me this can be managed if the owner is willing.